View Poll Results: Do you know an atheist?

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  • I know an atheist, and I believe they can be moral.

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  • I know an atheist, but I don't believe they can be moral.

    2 8.00%
  • I don't know any atheists, but I believe they can be moral.

    1 4.00%
  • I don't know any atheists, and I don't believe they can be moral.

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  1. #81
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    Re: Do you know an atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by SubJunk
    Morality is a changing thing. I realize you think your beliefs are the only correct ones, but everyone in the world also believes that.
    I believe my morals are the best ones, I'm sure bogie does about his, aegist does about his, etc. but a difference between atheists and Christians is that more often than not we realize that tolerence is the key.
    I'm sure myself, bogie and aegist all have very similar morals (because we are totally awesome people :p kidding) but there will be some differences somewhere and I accept that.
    I think morals that aren't my own are wrong, but I also accept that everyone has a right to their own morality, whether it is given by a dictator (like Saddam Hussein, that Chinese guy, or *insert name of your god here*) or by way of personal reflection.
    I can explain the logic behind my chosen morals, but I have no reason to claim mine are "universally correct", they are just my opinion.
    Amen.

    I'd also add that (at least in my experience) an athiest will sometimes change their morals. Often times I encounter situations where, according to my own ethical system, I don't know what the 'moral' thing is. Instead of turning to the bible for an answer, it often takes a great deal of thought and contemplation. There are still many situations I can think of where I wouldn't know what the 'moral' course of action is, but I think that my ethics are improving over time, and becoming more self-consistent.

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    Re: Do you know an atheist?

    I can just say that I came up with my present morals without anybody's help and I'm proud of that. You'd be hard pressed to come up with very many people that have done less harm and more good than me. Many are just as moral as me but not many with higher standards. It feels good being unafraid of letting anyone down but myself.
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    Re: Do you know an atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by kazza
    Amen.

    I'd also add that (at least in my experience) an athiest will sometimes change their morals. Often times I encounter situations where, according to my own ethical system, I don't know what the 'moral' thing is. Instead of turning to the bible for an answer, it often takes a great deal of thought and contemplation. There are still many situations I can think of where I wouldn't know what the 'moral' course of action is, but I think that my ethics are improving over time, and becoming more self-consistent.
    And when you practice thinking about new situations you begin to get good at quickly finding the correct ethic. Each new encounter in some way relates to other experiences we've had and having already made moral decisions at earlier times it gets easier to make the right choice when something new comes up. I don't think someone who has been spoon fed their ethics through religion are as adept at this kind of thinking. If it isn't in the bible, they get confused. Probably why there are so many christians on death row.
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    Re: Do you know an atheist?

    I can't even begin to read through these last two pages of crap. Who is anybody here short of God to really state that they know what morality is?

    I dated an athesits back in high school and while he himself didn't turn out to be all that moralistic, his atheists parents were.

    You don't have to follow God to be moralistic. I know...who defines morals - how about this...do unto others as you would have done unto you. Pretty simple huh? I think that is all we need to define morals. Murder - would you like to be killed unjustly - no, then it's immoral. Would you like to be stolen from - then no, it's immoral to steal. Would you like somebody to sleep with your wife - then yes - it would be immoral for you to cheat on your wife or for you to sleep with someone elses wife. Common sense people! Most of the ten commandments represent this faction.

    Fact is - I'm a Christian, but to be honest, I've been kinda ashamed of my "brethern" here on scam and kinda agreed with the atheists on this board when they point out that most of the horid wars on this earth have been started due to a religion that is supposed to follow God's morals. I don't go to church like my "brethern" but I try to live reasonable and while I may have a drink before dinner like most of my baptists "kinfolk" would totally disagree with, I'm not being a hypocrite and calling others sinners, i.e. example, people dishing gay people and saying that their going to hell because they're commiting a sin. Well I'm not all for the gay movement, but hello! We all sin. Who's to say that somebody being gay is any worse than somebody else taking the Lord's name in vain or committing adultry?

    I really despise hypocrisy and that is just about the main reason I haven't really been to church in years. When I go, I just about cry because at one time when I was younger I really felt at home. Now I feel like an outcast because I dare call a spade a spade.

    Religion makes people crazy. It's supposed to be a moral standard and the basic principles of religion are usually good and just, but when people get into condeming other religions for their beliefs - its just ridicoulous. It makes no sense to me why so many christians are buddy buddy with jews but think the whole idea of of a muslim is horid. Uh, excuse me - jews don't like to acknowledge Jesus, but the muslim president of Iran even has a soft spot for Easter because it was the ressurrection of Jesus. The religion we are so buddy buddy with doesn't see Christ for what we see him as, but the muslims that we hate see him as a prophet (some even celebrate Christmas) - go figure. Religion has gotten so screwey over the years and I'm not sure why anybody truly understands why we are "supposed" to hate the other. Truth is we all got one thing in common that we should rejoice over - we all beleive in one God, we just disagree how to worship him and who, if anybody, was his son.

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    Re: Do you know an atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Button
    Truth is we all got one thing in common that we should rejoice over - we all beleive in one God, we just disagree how to worship him and who, if anybody, was his son.
    Except for this part, that was a very insightful post. :)
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    Re: Do you know an atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by kazza
    Amen.

    I'd also add that (at least in my experience) an athiest will sometimes change their morals. Often times I encounter situations where, according to my own ethical system, I don't know what the 'moral' thing is. Instead of turning to the bible for an answer, it often takes a great deal of thought and contemplation. There are still many situations I can think of where I wouldn't know what the 'moral' course of action is, but I think that my ethics are improving over time, and becoming more self-consistent.
    I'm the same way, it's the best way to be I think :)

    P.S. Love the "amen" haha

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    Re: Do you know an atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    Well thanks wise. Whether or not I walk the walk I'll leave up to others but in my own experience, I've never been screwed by an athiest.
    never been screwed by an athiest?
    so your wife is a believer, right? :D
    Last edited by Qi123; 04-05-2007 at 11:35 AM.
    "Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true."

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    Re: Do you know an atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Qi123
    never been screwed by an athiest?
    so your wife is a believer, right? :D
    Bogie's got some explaining to do . . . ;)

    It's easy Bogie. You've never been screwed by an atheist, but you never claimed your wife hasn't been screwed by an atheist, right? :D
    "Science is evidence without proof. Creationism is proof without evidence."

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    Re: Do you know an atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Qi123
    never been screwed by an athiest?
    so your wife is a believer, right? :D
    She's definitely a believer. Church every sunday, bible on her nightstand. In fact now that I think of it, all the athiests I know are men and I'm not gay so maybe that's the explanation. But I have known some sexy christians. :D
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    Re: Do you know an atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    She's definitely a believer. Church every sunday, bible on her nightstand. In fact now that I think of it, all the athiests I know are men and I'm not gay so maybe that's the explanation. But I have known some sexy christians. :D
    Me too, and I don't discriminate. ;)
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    Re: Do you know an atheist?

    so how do atheists swear in court?
    "Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true."

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    Re: Do you know an atheist?

    The same as the rest of society.

    On our honor.
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    Re: Do you know an atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Qi123
    so how do atheists swear in court?
    I've often wondered the same thing. I've never been sworn in in court but I doubt that I'd make a big deal of it if I were on the witness stand. I'd probably put my hand on the bible and say I do. Too many people in the court are likely christians and they already have enough irrational logic in their heads. I suppose shouting out my athiesm they'd discount my testimony no matter whose side I was there for. Much like when I got married I suppose. My wife is christian, my family is christian, her family is christian. I wasn't going to cause an international incedent on our wedding day because I thought the minister was full of crap.
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    Re: Do you know an atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leeguana
    Except for this part, that was a very insightful post. :)
    I meant the three major religions - Christianity, Islam and Judiasm. It makes no sense for them to be at odds with each other if they all beleive in one God. I'd say we all (the three religions) beleive in the same God, just disagree with who was his son, who the real prophets were and the way to worship him - no reason to kill.

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    Re: Do you know an atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    I've often wondered the same thing. I've never been sworn in in court but I doubt that I'd make a big deal of it if I were on the witness stand. I'd probably put my hand on the bible and say I do. Too many people in the court are likely christians and they already have enough irrational logic in their heads. I suppose shouting out my athiesm they'd discount my testimony no matter whose side I was there for. Much like when I got married I suppose. My wife is christian, my family is christian, her family is christian. I wasn't going to cause an international incedent on our wedding day because I thought the minister was full of crap.
    So you didn't jump up and down and say, "F#ck you all, F#ck you all."

    Me either. And if we were to do it all over again, I still wouldn't say that.

    I'd be thinking it.

    But nowadays, thoughts don't count.
    "Science is evidence without proof. Creationism is proof without evidence."

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    Re: Do you know an atheist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Button
    I meant the three major religions - Christianity, Islam and Judiasm. It makes no sense for them to be at odds with each other if they all beleive in one God. I'd say we all (the three religions) beleive in the same God, just disagree with who was his son, who the real prophets were and the way to worship him - no reason to kill.
    How do you define "major religions?" If you are measuring the number of adherents, christianity is number one with 2.1 billion, islam second with 1.3 billion and athiesm third with 1.1 billion. Judaism doesn't show up until eleventh with a mere 14 million after such religions as hinduism, chinese folk religion and sikhism. So if you consider judaism as one of the major religions then it follows that there are no less than eleven major religions, therefor ten must have it wrong. And if you go by which has been around the longest, athiesm wins hands down.
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