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    valproate semisodium - advise wanted

    Is there anyone on here who is a pharmacist, or who is familar with the toxidity of certain drugs?

    If so, do you know what this is, how it differs from lithium, and how lethal it is if taken in large quantities?
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    Re: valproate semisodium - advise wanted

    If you get a reply steve be very skeptical. I've read alot of crap here by people who claim to know alot about health remedies. There are numerous medical sites on the internet that can probably answer your question.
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    Re: valproate semisodium - advise wanted

    Standard advise is, as always, do not self medicate. It is used in the UK, under several different names, as a treatment for bi-polar disorder. It is for psychiatric conditions only! There are several nasty side effects possible.

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    I am curious to know how many or what dosage would be almost certainly fatal, esp if mixed with spirits.
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    Re: valproate semisodium - advise wanted

    Trade-name in US is Depakote.
    Evil to the liver.
    Very good to the mind with a bum governor.
    My opinion? Beats heck out of a MoodMeter that insists on "going to 11" and staying there.
    Personal experience.

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    Re: valproate semisodium - advise wanted

    Quote Originally Posted by dr poormouth
    Trade-name in US is Depakote.
    Evil to the liver.
    Very good to the mind with a bum governor.
    My opinion? Beats heck out of a MoodMeter that insists on "going to 11" and staying there.
    Personal experience.
    Are you BI Polar, Dr Poormouth?

    The part in bold.

    What does it mean?

    Do you know how this drug differs from Lithium, in simple terms?

    What do you suppose would happen if someone took say 100 Depakote, with spirits and valium on top?

    Yes, I know they would be really ill, but what would the odds be that it would kill them?
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    Anyone else add to this..?
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    Re: valproate semisodium - advise wanted

    Quote Originally Posted by enlightenment
    Anyone else add to this..?
    When did 'Manic Depressive' change to 'bipolar mood disorder' and why?
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    Definately do your research! But, the "good Dr." is right. It's a name for Lamictal, Depkote, & some others. Those are used for anti-convulsants & mood disorders. Which, actually is soooo stupid. Because I take anti-confulsants for epilepsy and have taken both Lamictal and Depkote - and ALL seizure meds (and mood disorder meds) state they can make you "moody"! I was allergic to Lamictal and was taken to the hospital 2 times before they figured it out and got a "drug induced" version of lupus from the depkote! YUCK!!!!! They can also damage your liver! Mine shut down on me while I was in the hospital being treated! That was fun.....

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    What concerns me about drugs like Depakote, is that in the UK, it has been on the market for about ten years, maybe less.

    If you speak to a psychiatrist, who may prescribe it for bi polar, they will tell you they don't know how it works (not that it does in all cases), but anyway, my point is, should they not KNOW more about it, before it is permitted on the open market?
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    Re: valproate semisodium - advise wanted

    Quote Originally Posted by enlightenment
    What concerns me about drugs like Depakote, is that in the UK, it has been on the market for about ten years, maybe less.

    If you speak to a psychiatrist, who may prescribe it for bi polar, they will tell you they don't know how it works (not that it does in all cases), but anyway, my point is, should they not KNOW more about it, before it is permitted on the open market?
    If they actually KNEW anything about these drugs they couldn't use us as human guinea pigs.

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    Re: valproate semisodium - advise wanted

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    If they actually KNEW anything about these drugs they couldn't use us as human guinea pigs.

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    Do you think that is what they are doing?

    If so, would you recommend that someone with say bi polar should refuse those drugs, since, by their own admission, they know little of them?
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    Re: valproate semisodium - advise wanted

    Quote Originally Posted by enlightenment
    Are you BI Polar, Dr Poormouth?
    No, the doctor is Manic-Depressive ; same affliction, more impressive sounding name.

    The part in bold. What does it mean?
    bum = on the fritz. governor = device to regulate speed, frequency, or output, e.g. throttle, potentiometer.
    Do you know how this drug differs from Lithium, in simple terms?
    Lithium is usually for depression.
    Psychiatry ain't nealy as cut-and-paste as, say, an appendectomy ; different patients react in startlingly different ways to the same regimen. Psychiatry- fifty years on from the Post-Freudian revolt, Tim Leary among the vanguard- is as much Art as Science, equal parts Faith Healing and Alchemy.
    Headology (thank you, Terry Pratchett) is as important as Pharmacology.
    What do you suppose would happen if someone took say 100 Depakote, with spirits and valium on top?
    Their liver would melt.
    Lower doses would eventaully cause liver failure, but that mixture - in those quantities - would occasion catastrophic failure. The liver would, literally, dissolve. Massive organ failure would follow, almost as anti-climax.
    It's a classic suicide, usually involving booze and Tylenol, and - according to the doctors ex, an EMT - the single most agonizing self-slaughter imaginable. Burning at the stake would be preferrable.
    Yes, I know they would be really ill, but what would the odds be that it would kill them?
    Dead cert. Dead Agonizining Certainty.
    Seppuku would be more honorable, and less painful.

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    Re: valproate semisodium - advise wanted

    Quote Originally Posted by dr poormouth
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    Their liver would melt.
    Lower doses would eventaully cause liver failure, but that mixture - in those quantities - would occasion catastrophic failure. The liver would, literally, dissolve. Massive organ failure would follow, almost as anti-climax.
    It's a classic suicide, usually involving booze and Tylenol, and - according to the doctors ex, an EMT - the single most agonizing self-slaughter imaginable. Burning at the stake would be preferrable.
    Dead cert. Dead Agonizining Certainty.
    Seppuku would be more honorable, and less painful.
    Dr P.

    You state that their liver would literally melt. And that the process would be the most agonising self slaughter imaginable.

    I am taking your word there, but is it not more likely that they would pass out, and die in their sleep, in their own vomit, perhaps?

    What is Tylenol?

    What is Seppuku, and why would you regard this as more 'honourable'.

    Your answers would be appreciated.


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    Re: valproate semisodium - advise wanted

    Ah, Seppuku is a Japanese ritual, correct?

    And Tylenol is what I would essentially call paracetemol.
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    Re: valproate semisodium - advise wanted

    Quote Originally Posted by enlightenment
    Ah, Seppuku is a Japanese ritual, correct?

    And Tylenol is what I would essentially call paracetemol.
    Tylenol is the brand name for acetaminophen or paracetemol. It's an analgesic, used for reducing fevers and treating headaches. Good on fevers, bad on headaches, imo.

    Seppuku is a Japanese suicide ritual involving disembowelment. :eek:
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