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    LIBBY found GUILTY on 4 of 5 counts...

    Breaking News just came on..

    Libby has been found guilty of 4 out of the 5 charges against him... no surprise. He will appeal.

    Can Fitzgerald serve the indictment on Cheney now?? or will he wait until Libby's appeals are dealt with?



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    Re: LIBBY found GUILTY on 4 of 5 counts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Connecticut Victim
    Breaking News just came on..

    Libby has been found guilty of 4 out of the 5 charges against him... no surprise. He will appeal.

    Can Fitzgerald serve the indictment on Cheney now?? or will he wait until Libby's appeals are dealt with?

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    Does Fitz have an indictment for Cheney for sure, or is that just wishful thinking? :D

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    Re: LIBBY found GUILTY on 4 of 5 counts...

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    Does Fitz have an indictment for Cheney for sure, or is that just wishful thinking? :D
    Fitzgerald has a sealed indictment - no name yet. In light of what came out during the trial, common sense says it's gotta be either Rove or Cheney...

    But to answer your question UN - wishful thinking would be the technical answer. :)

    Logically though - if it's not for Cheney, it damn well should be. :rolleyes:

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    Jury finds Libby guilty in CIA leak case
    By Andy Sullivan


    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former vice presidential aide Lewis "Scooter" Libby was found guilty on Tuesday of four of five counts of lying, perjury and obstructing justice during an investigation tied to the Iraq war.

    Investigators were trying to determine who leaked the identity of CIA analyst Valerie Plame in 2003 after her husband accused the Bush administration of manipulating intelligence to build its case for war.

    The jury of seven women and four men determined that Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, obstructed the probe and lied to investigators. He was found not guilty of one charge of lying to the FBI and faces up to 25 years in prison.

    Libby's attorneys had said he could not accurately recall conversations about Plame when he was interviewed months later by the FBI and a grand jury.

    Nobody has been charged with intentionally identifying Plame, the wife of former ambassador Joseph Wilson.

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    Re: LIBBY found GUILTY on 4 of 5 counts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Connecticut Victim
    Fitzgerald has a sealed indictment - no name yet. In light of what came out during the trial, common sense says it's gotta be either Rove or Cheney...

    But to answer your question UN - wishful thinking would be the technical answer. :)

    Logically though - if it's not for Cheney, it damn well should be. :rolleyes:
    I hope it's for Cheney and I was really hoping it had been reported the indictment had been delivered. I would love to see Cheney get what he so richly deserves. ;)

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    Re: LIBBY found GUILTY on 4 of 5 counts...

    I don't know UN... does what Fitz is saying here refer to the entire issue - or just Libby??



    'Scooter' Libby guilty on four of five counts
    POSTED: 12:49 p.m. EST, March 6, 2007

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby has been found guilty on four of five counts in his perjury and obstruction of justice trial.

    Libby was convicted of:


    obstruction of justice when he intentionally deceived a grand jury investigating the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame;


    making a false statement by intentionally lying to FBI agents about a conversation with NBC newsman Tim Russert;


    perjury when he lied in court about his conversation with Russert;


    a second count of perjury when he lied in court about conversations with other reporters.


    Jurors cleared him of a second count of making a false statement relating to a conversation he had with Matt Cooper of Time magazine.

    Libby, 56, faces a maximum sentence of 25 years in prison and a fine of $1 million. A hearing on a presentencing report is scheduled for June 5.

    CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said, "He is virtually certain to go to prison if this conviction is upheld."

    After the verdict was read, Libby was fingerprinted and released on his own recognizance.

    Ted Wells, Libby's defense attorney, said he will file a motion for a new trial, or appeal the conviction if that motion is denied.

    "We intend to keep fighting to establish his innocence," Wells said outside the courthouse.

    As court concluded Tuesday, Libby's wife, Harriet Grant, hugged every member of the defense team. She was teary-eyed as she kissed Wells on the cheek.

    The White House issued a statement that President Bush watched the verdict and was saddened for Libby and his wife.

    Libby, a former aide to Vice President Dick Cheney, was not accused of exposing Plame. He resigned in 2005 after the grand jury indicted him.

    "It's sad that we had a situation where a high-level official, a person who worked in the office of vice president, obstructed justice and lied under oath, and we wish that had not happened but it did," Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald said.

    No further charges are planned in the case, Fitzgerald said. ???

    Prosecutors contended Libby disclosed Plame's covert profession to reporters as part of a plan to discredit her husband, Joseph Wilson, a former ambassador who alleged that the Bush administration twisted some intelligence in the run-up to the Iraq war.

    Wilson, who conducted a CIA-sponsored trip to Niger, wrote in a July 2003 New York Times editorial that he found no evidence Iraq sought to buy uranium from the African nation, as the administration claimed.\

    A statement from lawyers representing Plame and Wilson said the couple was pleased by the verdict and believed justice had been served.

    But the Wilsons said they would continue to pursue a civil case against Cheney, Libby, Bush's adviser Karl Rove and former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage.

    "The criminal trial was about whether or not Mr. Libby obstructed justice and committed perjury by lying to FBI agents and the grand jury about the fact that he had disclosed to reporters that Valerie Wilson worked for the CIA.

    "The civil suit, on the other hand, hinges on whether or not the defendants violated the constitutional rights of Valerie and Joe Wilson by making those disclosures in a concerted effort to retaliate against Joe Wilson for revealing the falsity of the president's rationale for the Iraq war," the statement said.

    The jury was down to 11 members -- seven women and four men. A week ago, one of the jurors revealed that she had obtained outside information that prompted the judge to disqualify her.

    The defense said it would accept 11 jurors to avoid having to start deliberations over with an alternate. The prosecution objected, but U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton overruled, and the panel has continued with one chair empty.

    Testimony and evidence in the trial began January 23.
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    Unbelievable!! With all the jury shopping the defense did I would have never thought that a conviction would have surfaced! Oh to be a fly on the wall inside the White House right now. Talk about full alert! I'll bet the paper shredders are working overtime and excuses are flying like feathers in a pillow fight!

    One can only hope the double crosses, and special deals start before the new indictments roll!! I'm still hoping Rove is on the list because the list will only get bigger from there!!! Cheney will get his before it's over though!

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    Re: LIBBY found GUILTY on 4 of 5 counts...

    Remember this?


    Fitzgerald mum on Cheney in leak case
    Posted 12/15/2006 4:20 AM ET


    WASHINGTON (AP) Speculation that Vice President Dick Cheney would testify in the CIA leak trial intensified when Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald said he didn't expect Bush administration officials to resist calls to testify.

    Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, is accused of lying to investigators about what he told reporters regarding former CIA operative Valerie Plame. Plame's identity was leaked to reporters around the time that her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, publicly criticized the Bush administration's prewar intelligence on Iraq.

    Fitzgerald did not say Thursday whether Cheney and others in the White House were on his witness list. Government officials and journalists are expected to be key witnesses in the trial, which is scheduled to start next month.

    Former New York Times reporter Judith Miller and NBC News Washington bureau chief Tim Russert are expected to be prosecution witnesses. Libby's lawyers said in court papers Thursday that several reporters will testify on Libby's behalf.

    Two unidentified reporters may resist testifying, Libby's attorneys said, but they expect to resolve that issue before trial.

    Libby also has sought a subpoena for the tape of Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward's interview with former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage. Armitage has admitted he discussed Plame's job with Woodward in 2003 but said it was a passing, inadvertent comment.

    If admitted into evidence, the tape could be played at trial. The tape has been turned over to prosecutors, and Libby's attorneys said they expect no objection to their subpoena.

    Cheney, who would be the trial's most anticipated witness, has said he may be called to testify. If so, prosecutors could ask how the White House responded to Wilson's criticisms. Cheney was upset by Wilson's comments, Fitzgerald has said, and told Libby that Plame worked for the CIA. - ummmm, shouldn't Cheney be in deep sh!t for telling this to Libby in the first place? - or is it acceptable because he was Cheney's assistant??

    That conversation is a key to Fitzgerald's perjury case. Libby testified that he learned about Plame's job from a reporter.

    Cheney could also help prosecutors undermine Libby's defense that he was so preoccupied with national security matters, he forgot details about the less-important Plame issue. Prosecutors argue that Plame was a key concern of the vice president, and thus would have been important to Libby.

    Sitting presidents, including Clinton and Ford, have testified in criminal cases, but presidential historians and separation-of-powers experts said they knew of no vice president who has done so. The first President Bush was subpoenaed to testify in the Iran-Contra trial of Oliver North. At the time, Bush was Reagan's vice president, but Bush was president by the time a judge ruled he did not need to testify.

    Cheney and Libby got to know each other when Cheney was defense secretary under the first President Bush. Libby has been extremely loyal to Cheney and, in return, had the vice president's unwavering trust.

    By 2000, Libby was working as a top adviser to Cheney in the presidential campaign and then followed him to the White House. In the White House, he was known as "Cheney's Cheney" for being as trusted a problem solver for the vice president as Cheney was for Bush.

    Even after Libby's indictment, Cheney called him "one of the finest men I've ever known."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Sixpack
    Unbelievable!! With all the jury shopping the defense did I would have never thought that a conviction would have surfaced! Oh to be a fly on the wall inside the White House right now. Talk about full alert! I'll bet the paper shredders are working overtime and excuses are flying like feathers in a pillow fight!

    One can only hope the double crosses, and special deals start before the new indictments roll!! I'm still hoping Rove is on the list because the list will only get bigger from there!!! Cheney will get his before it's over though!
    Somebody's head had to roll...

    I'm hoping that Libby will blow the whistle on Cheney now - as part of a deal to save himself.. he should tell everything he knows, right down to Cheney instructing him to get the word out about Plame. :rolleyes:

    Libby is stupid if he takes the fall for all of this.......

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    It's a sad day on planet Neoconian. :(

    But a GREAT day on Earth! :D

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    Re: LIBBY found GUILTY on 4 of 5 counts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Connecticut Victim
    Somebody's head had to roll...

    I'm hoping that Libby will blow the whistle on Cheney now - as part of a deal to save himself.. he should tell everything he knows, right down to Cheney instructing him to get the word out about Plame. :rolleyes:

    Libby is stupid if he takes the fall for all of this.......
    By the time Libby gets through appealing this it will just be about time for Dumbya to leave office. Of course Libby gets a presidential pardon when Georgie goes. Libby took the fall but don't look for him to do any time for this. This thing stinks to high heaven of Karl Rove, but he will skate on this one. It will be interesting to see how grim spins this conviction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connecticut Victim
    Breaking News just came on..

    Libby has been found guilty of 4 out of the 5 charges against him... no surprise. He will appeal.

    Can Fitzgerald serve the indictment on Cheney now?? or will he wait until Libby's appeals are dealt with?



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    When are you people going to grasp the reality of this entire farce?

    1. Valerie Plame was not covert, so no law was broken.
    2. Cheney wont be indicted, because he broke no laws.
    3. The Bush administration didn't "Out" Valerie Plame.
    4. The person who leaked Plame's name was Richard Armitage, a Bush critic.
    5. Joe Wilson lied and mislead the American people about his Niger mission.
    6. Libby's conviction doesn't change points 1 through 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17
    When are you people going to grasp the reality of this entire farce?

    1. Valerie Plame was not covert, so no law was broken.
    2. Cheney wont be indicted, because he broke no laws.
    3. The Bush administration didn't "Out" Valerie Plame.
    4. The person who leaked Plame's name was Richard Armitage, a Bush critic.
    5. Joe Wilson lied and mislead the American people about his Niger mission.
    6. Libby's conviction doesn't change points 1 through 5.

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    The ever faithful Grim. Kind of like a lap dog.

    Tell it to the next Jury, Grim. Apparently they might not share your "expert" view of the situation.

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    Grimey;
    When are you people going to grasp the reality of this entire farce?

    1. Valerie Plame was not covert, so no law was broken.
    2. Cheney wont be indicted, because he broke no laws.
    3. The Bush administration didn't "Out" Valerie Plame.
    4. The person who leaked Plame's name was Richard Armitage, a Bush critic.
    5. Joe Wilson lied and mislead the American people about his Niger mission.
    6. Libby's conviction doesn't change points 1 through 5.
    And you know these things to be true because...?

    Which branch of the Bush Administration do you hale from, and what exactly is your security clearance that you could be privy to this mostly classified/secret/top secret information??

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    Quote Originally Posted by bairdi
    By the time Libby gets through appealing this it will just be about time for Dumbya to leave office. Of course Libby gets a presidential pardon when Georgie goes. Libby took the fall but don't look for him to do any time for this. This thing stinks to high heaven of Karl Rove, but he will skate on this one. It will be interesting to see how grim spins this conviction.
    You make a good point. I never thought Libby would be convicted but now that he has been, I can see the Presidential pardon being written up as we speak.

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    Re: LIBBY found GUILTY on 4 of 5 counts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Sixpack
    Grimey;


    And you know these things to be true because...?
    1. Valerie Plame was not covert, so no law was broken.
    The prosecutor knows who leaked her name to the press, yet he stated today that he doesn't expect to be filing any more charges stemming from this investigation. If it was a crime, then Richard Armitage would be indicted.

    2. Cheney wont be indicted, because he broke no laws.
    He has not been charged with, nor accused of, any unlawful behavior by the prosecutor and as he stated today, won't be.

    3. The Bush administration didn't "Out" Valerie Plame.
    Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, an outspoken Bush critic, was the person leaked Plame's name to Robert Novak, and it wasn't an attempt to harm her or her lying husband.

    4. The person who leaked Plame's name was Richard Armitage, a Bush critic.
    A matter of public record.

    5. Joe Wilson lied and mislead the American people about his Niger mission.
    This was determined UNANIMOUSLY by the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee investigation.

    6. Libby's conviction doesn't change points 1 through 5.
    See responses to points 1 through 5.

    You don't need a security clearance to obtain information that is part of the public record. You do however, need to be capable of setting political hatred aside and accepting the truth.

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