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    The More Intelligent Nations Are Less War Like....

    The title of this thread, happens also to be my view.

    That if we measure one thread of intelligence, as having the emotional maturity to co exist in peace, with other nations, no matter their race or religion, then the more intelligent the Government and people of that nation are.

    Let me put it this way.

    If someone goes out for the night, and along with their wallet and keys, they arm themselves with a gun or knife, then many would probably condemn that as the actions of someone stupid, indeed, here in the UK, it is highly illegal to do so.

    If a lad found himself in front of a judge here, in possession of a gun, he would be looking at some serious prison, more than likely.

    Then we will hear politicians pontificating about how they find the gun culture something they must win a 'war' on..... :rolleyes:

    This will be the same as their war on drugs, or poverty...

    Such hypocrites they are.

    How can they wring their hands at the sheer volume of guns and violece on our streets, when they give a pat on the head to guns and violence of the streets of another nation..?

    Is this not sending out a mixed signal to the young..?
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    Re: The More Intelligent Nations Are Less War Like....

    Quote Originally Posted by enlightenment
    The title of this thread, happens also to be my view.

    That if we measure one thread of intelligence, as having the emotional maturity to co exist in peace, with other nations, no matter their race or religion, then the more intelligent the Government and people of that nation are.
    Isn't this simply a truism then. If you want to define national intelligence as being the ability to live in peace with other nations, then by necessity more intelligent nations are less war-like.

    There are other possible explanations though.

    Low average intelligence in a country is strongly correlated with high emphasis on religious values and with poor economies (The USA is the notable exception, with a rich economy, high religion, and high intelligence (compared to equally religious countries)). It could be that religious nations are more war-like, or that poor nations are more war-like.

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    Re: The More Intelligent Nations Are Less War Like....

    Quote Originally Posted by kazza
    Isn't this simply a truism then. If you want to define national intelligence as being the ability to live in peace with other nations, then by necessity more intelligent nations are less war-like.

    There are other possible explanations though.

    Low average intelligence in a country is strongly correlated with high emphasis on religious values and with poor economies (The USA is the notable exception, with a rich economy, high religion, and high intelligence (compared to equally religious countries)). It could be that religious nations are more war-like, or that poor nations are more war-like.
    For sure.

    I take your point.

    There are sometimes other factors, of course, and you cite some here.

    However.

    As well as defining a nattion's collective and political intelligence by them having the maturity to get along with their neighbours, they would also be defined by how they treated their own people, thus a nation of true intelligence, by definition, wouild not have poverty, as poverty would be unintelligent, and we would not be influenced by religous zealots, as to do so would be unintelligent also.

    If that makes any sense!

    :)
    "Ethics" is simply a last-gasp attempt by deist conservatives and
    orthodox dogmatics to keep humanity in ignorance and obscurantism,
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    new technologies.
    There is nothing glorious about what our ancestors call history,
    it is simply a succession of mistakes, intolerances and violations.

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    Re: The More Intelligent Nations Are Less War Like....

    That if we measure one thread of intelligence, as having the emotional maturity to co exist in peace, with other nations, no matter their race or religion, then the more intelligent the Government and people of that nation are.
    I seriously doubt that we'll see a war between nations but instead a war on a terrorist group hiding or being protected by another nation

    How can they wring their hands at the sheer volume of guns and violece on our streets, when they give a pat on the head to guns and violence of the streets of another nation..?
    What other nation are we "patting on the head" ?
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    Re: The More Intelligent Nations Are Less War Like....

    Quote Originally Posted by franKg
    I seriously doubt that we'll see a war between nations but instead a war on a terrorist group hiding or being protected by another nation


    What other nation are we "patting on the head" ?

    Ourselves!

    That is my point.

    It is hypocritical for the Gov to pretend to be 'really concerned' at the social disease of urban gun or weapon crime, while at the same time, sending troops to foreign streets, to commit precisely those things.

    Violence and killing seems ok .... when the Government tells us it's so.

    :(
    "Ethics" is simply a last-gasp attempt by deist conservatives and
    orthodox dogmatics to keep humanity in ignorance and obscurantism,
    through the well tried fermentation of fear, the fear of science and
    new technologies.
    There is nothing glorious about what our ancestors call history,
    it is simply a succession of mistakes, intolerances and violations.

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    Re: The More Intelligent Nations Are Less War Like....

    Quote Originally Posted by enlightenment
    Ourselves!

    That is my point.

    It is hypocritical for the Gov to pretend to be 'really concerned' at the social disease of urban gun or weapon crime, while at the same time, sending troops to foreign streets, to commit precisely those things.

    Violence and killing seems ok .... when the Government tells us it's so.

    :(
    This government does not send its troops to other countries to commit crimes and if they do, than they are tried and punished, unlike Syria, Iran and North Korea who rewards their soldiers with medals , thats what makes America the greatest country on earth Stevie
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    Re: The More Intelligent Nations Are Less War Like....

    Quote Originally Posted by franKg
    This government does not send its troops to other countries to commit crimes and if they do, than they are tried and punished, unlike Syria, Iran and North Korea who rewards their soldiers with medals , thats what makes America the greatest country on earth Stevie
    Comparing the behavior of US or UK soldiers, with the possibly immoral behaviour of other nations soldiers, and concluding, hey, we are not as bad as that, therefore, we must be okay then, is not a great tool to measure by.
    "Ethics" is simply a last-gasp attempt by deist conservatives and
    orthodox dogmatics to keep humanity in ignorance and obscurantism,
    through the well tried fermentation of fear, the fear of science and
    new technologies.
    There is nothing glorious about what our ancestors call history,
    it is simply a succession of mistakes, intolerances and violations.

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    Re: The More Intelligent Nations Are Less War Like....

    USSR invades Afghanistan to implement their favorite government. We get upset, boycott Olympics, and supply Afghans with weapons. USSR naturally gets pissed at us
    Soon after, We invade Afghanistan to implement OUR favorite government, and its going about as well for us as it did for the Bolsheviks. Iran and other countries supply Iraq with weapons, and we get pissed at them. Can't we learn from the mistakes of others?
    I think we have been a little devoid of intelligence this past decade.

    EDIT: I do feel that the invasion of Afghanistan was justified. However, Iraq was not. We are forcing a government upon them that they really don't wish to have. Strange... seems a lot like the situation that North Korea and North Vietnam went through not too long ago.
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    Re: The More Intelligent Nations Are Less War Like....

    Quote Originally Posted by enlightenment
    For sure.

    I take your point.

    There are sometimes other factors, of course, and you cite some here.

    However.

    As well as defining a nattion's collective and political intelligence by them having the maturity to get along with their neighbours, they would also be defined by how they treated their own people, thus a nation of true intelligence, by definition, wouild not have poverty, as poverty would be unintelligent, and we would not be influenced by religous zealots, as to do so would be unintelligent also.

    If that makes any sense!
    So... let's say that we have a nation 'out there' somewhere that lives up to this ideal. Great! One problem though... their "neighbor"... for some reason their neighbor just don't want to get along with our them. Our model had better have prepared to defend itself... Or have the means at their disposal to nullify the potential threat because their neighbor wants to turn their country into a parking lot... yesterday.

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    Re: The More Intelligent Nations Are Less War Like....

    A nation cannot have intelligence. Animal species have varying degrees of intelligence, as we define the word of course, but nothing inanimate that I know of has intelligence. Barring computers of course but then the discussion drifts to reasoning. Obviously people have intelligence and people govern nations. The intelligence of those people have been debated since the beginnigs of language, continues today and will debated through eternity. And no one ever has, is or ever will be correct but within his own mind.
    The terminally stupid and certifiably insane.

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    Re: The More Intelligent Nations Are Less War Like....

    Quote Originally Posted by kazza
    Isn't this simply a truism then. If you want to define national intelligence as being the ability to live in peace with other nations, then by necessity more intelligent nations are less war-like.

    There are other possible explanations though.

    Low average intelligence in a country is strongly correlated with high emphasis on religious values and with poor economies (The USA is the notable exception, with a rich economy, high religion, and high intelligence (compared to equally religious countries)). It could be that religious nations are more war-like, or that poor nations are more war-like.
    Thats true. Much of the conflict through time between groups/countries/cultures
    have been motivated by religion
    and isnt that a scary thought!

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    Re: The More Intelligent Nations Are Less War Like....

    So where would national defense fit into this picture?
    if you think there would be no wars if the U.S. were to dis-arm itself,you are living in la la land.
    just as soon as the U.S. dis-armed another nation like Russia,China, Iran,Syria,or any other country with large armys would pounce right on top and we would be history.

    there is a place for guns,missles,tanks,rockets,and nukes.
    that is on the battlefield and if we dis-arm,the battlefield would be the streets of every city in the U.S.
    If you think musims won't kill infidels just because we dis-arm,I pray that people who think like you will never be in a position of power over MY country.

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    Re: The More Intelligent Nations Are Less War Like....

    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    A nation cannot have intelligence. Animal species have varying degrees of intelligence, as we define the word of course, but nothing inanimate that I know of has intelligence. Barring computers of course but then the discussion drifts to reasoning. Obviously people have intelligence and people govern nations. The intelligence of those people have been debated since the beginnigs of language, continues today and will debated through eternity. And no one ever has, is or ever will be correct but within his own mind.
    lol way to try and take the coversation waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay of course bogie...

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