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    A Bush reversal that could pay off

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    A Bush reversal that could pay off
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...DGRJN77B71.DTL


    PRESIDENT Bush has pulled one of the biggest U-turns of his presidency, and the world is better off for it.

    He has cut a deal with North Korea, whose leader Bush has repeatedly denounced and ridiculed. The president seemed determined to stick to his hard-line plans to isolate one of the Axis of Evil's charter members.

    But he has turned on a dime with this deal by offering to supply $400 million in aid in exchange for an end to North Korea's nuclear weapons work. The pact is complex, multi-staged and dotted with checkpoints that could bring it to a halt.

    This deal challenges North Korea to gradually dismantle its bomb building, right down to zero nukes. It involves six nations, not just Washington and Pyongyang, and it dumps the earlier fruitless White House policy of all-or-nothing concessions from the north.

    The agreement shows new strains in Bush administration thinking. First, active talks, not hard demands, can nudge events in a useful direction. A major course correction took place after repeated talks. Maybe these lesson could be transplanted to Iraq policy.

    Second, enlisting allies in the neighborhood can wear down the most recalcitrant foe. Pulling together this loose group of allies was just as important as direct dealings with North Korea. Last October's bomb test by the north stirred China to lean heavily on Pyongyang in one of the prime developments in this diplomatic saga. Washington didn't do this deal alone.

    The nightmare of dealing with North Korea and its ever-eccentric ruler, Kim Jong Il, isn't over. As he has in the past, he may walk away from the bargain.

    Though Bush negotiators hate to hear it, their plan resembles the Clinton-era Agreed Framework, reached in 1994. That deal also traded aid -- in that case, oil and a supposedly-safe nuclear power plant from the United States -- for inspections and an end to nuclear research in North Korea. It fell apart when the country acknowledge cheating on weapons work.

    This deal is built along similar lines. It swaps fuel oil and other aid for a verified end to North Korea's nuclear work. But this time the deal progresses in stages and involves China, Japan, South Korea and Russia as well. More people will be watching more steps.

    Also, the treaty goes beyond freezing nuclear work at current levels by calling for the eventual dismantling of the north's reactors and weapons stockpiles under the eyes of inspectors. There's also a chance for North Korea to win a formal peace to the Korean War fought in the early 1950s, and it may exit the U.S.'s list of terrorist-supporting nations.

    Bush is being ridiculed for caving in on old positions and hunting for a quick diplomatic win. But the agreement builds on plausible ingredients, enlists allies and puts North Korea on the spot. The White House may have finally gotten it right.



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    Re: A Bush reversal that could pay off

    We seem to negotiate with countries that actually have nuclear weapons, and invade the ones that don't.

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    It will back fire yet again. That pencil dick dictator will not stop! In fact this will only embolden Iran to request even more outlandish demands. And in 5 years North Korea will be saying that they want more!!!

    lol.... Why do I know this will happen?



    The leftist media spin is that the current crisis in North Asia is the result of George W. Bush calling Pyongyang a member of the 'axis of evil.' In reality, the soft-line appeasement policy taken by Clinton against North Korea and China is what has led us to this point.

    For example, former Clinton adviser Paul Begala, now serving as a talking head on CNN, claimed that the Clinton administration contained the threat from North Korea. Clearly, Mr. Begala missed the 1990s.

    Of course, Mr. Begala simply forgot that Clinton's military chief of staff testified in 1998 that North Korea did not have an active ballistic missile program. One week later the North Koreans launched a missile over Japan that landed off the Alaska coast.

    During the early Clinton years, hard-liners and so-called conservative hawks advocated a pre-emptive strike to halt North Korea's nuclear weapons development before it could field an atomic bomb. Instead of taking the hard line, President Clinton elected to rely on former President Jimmy Carter and decided to appease the Marxist-Stalinist dictatorship.
    Carter met with North Korean leader Kim Jong-il in Pyongyang and returned to America waving a piece of paper and declaring peace in our time. Kim, according to Carter, had agreed to stop his nuclear weapons development.

    The Clinton appeasement program for North Korea included hundreds of millions of dollars in aid, food, oil and even a nuclear reactor. However, the agreement was flawed and lacked even the most informal means of verification.
    In return, Kim elected to starve his people while using the American aid to build uranium bombs. The lowest estimate is that Kim starved to death over 1 million of his own people, even with the U.S. aid program.

    Axis of Evil and Friends

    North Korea was not left all alone in its effort to obtain nuclear weapons. North Korea relied heavily on China, its closest ally, to assist in its all-out effort to obtain the atomic bomb.

    Beijing elected to covertly aid its North Asian ally by proliferation. China allowed Pakistan to send nuclear technology purchased from Beijing to North Korea in exchange for No Dong missile technology.

    Beijing provided Pakistan with its nuclear weapons technology, including an operational atomic bomb design. Pakistan is now providing North Korea with equipment and engineering to assist in its bomb-making efforts.

    The fact remains that North Korea acquired some key equipment for its nuclear weapons program from Pakistan in 1998. The key equipment, including a working gas centrifuge used to enrich uranium, was shipped to Pyongyang in the coffin of the murdered wife of a North Korean diplomat.

    Beijing's indirect assistance includes allowing Pakistani C-130 cargo flights over China to Pyongyang that carry key equipment for nuclear weapons production. The flights return to Pakistan with North Korean No Dong missile parts.

    Missiles for Nukes

    Pakistan also benefited from the trade in weaponry. The missiles-for-nukes trade gave Pakistan an operational means to deliver its atomic bombs.

    Pakistan has since successfully test-fired and deployed its own version of the No Dong missile, called the Ghauri. The North Korean-designed missile has a range of nearly 900 miles and can cover virtually all of India, Pakistan's rival in Southwest Asia.

    The ultimate irony here is that the North Korean No Dong and Tae Po Dong missiles are based on technology given to Pyongyang by China. In 1994, the Wall Street Journal revealed that Chinese-made CSS-2 missile technology had found its way into North Korean hands.

    China has also allowed North Korea to ship SCUD missiles through its territory for Middle Eastern customers. According to a Canadian undercover operative, North Korean agents moved dismantled SCUD missiles through China into Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran.

    The allegations proved to be correct because U.S. satellites were able to follow Chinese-made M-11 missiles bound for Pakistan over the same land route in 2000. The illegal export of M-11 missiles brought swift sanctions against Beijing by the Bush administration.

    In recent months China has been much more overt about assisting Pyongyang with its nuclear weapons program. In 2002, China sold Pyongyang a large shipment of tributyl phosphate, a key chemical used to extract plutonium and uranium from spent fuel rods for atomic bombs.

    U.S. Pressure on Asian Allies

    In contrast, the U.S. repeatedly told India, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan that they should not develop nuclear weapons. The U.S. position was that the no one had the right to bring a new arms race to Asia.

    The U.S. also backed up this policy by placing severe restrictions on the export of nuclear and ballistic missile technology to India, Taiwan, Korea and Japan. The trade agreements also had teeth built into them in case U.S. technology was abused.

    For example, when India developed and tested its nuclear bomb, the U.S. responded with hefty sanctions and a diplomatic freeze that is just now beginning to thaw.

    Compared to the strict U.S. policy, China did not discourage its client states, North Korea and Pakistan, from developing nuclear weapons. Instead, China has overtly and covertly assisted both nations to develop and deploy active weapons upon working delivery systems.

    Nature abhors a vacuum, especially in the case of nuclear weapons. The whole equation of Asian defense has changed overnight. As a result of China's nuclear proliferation, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan may now have to follow Pyongyang's lead and begin their own atomic weapons programs. That decision will be made in Tokyo, Seoul and Taipei, not in Washington.

    It should shock no one, including the China lobby and DNC apologists, that Beijing will continue to support North Korea's nuclear weapons program.

    However, some fools continue to be suckered by Beijing's obvious ploy to dominate Asia. The fools' hope that China will restrain Pyongyang continues to echo off the lips of the leftist media, as if by simply wishing it were true will make it so.
    The fact remains that Bill Clinton's legacy is an unstable world filled with hungry dictators and nuclear weapons. The result of the Clinton appeasement policy toward China is a new arms race.

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...7/164846.shtml
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    Re: A Bush reversal that could pay off

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    Editorial

    A Bush reversal that could pay off
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...DGRJN77B71.DTL


    PRESIDENT Bush has pulled one of the biggest U-turns of his presidency, and the world is better off for it.

    He has cut a deal with North Korea, whose leader Bush has repeatedly denounced and ridiculed. The president seemed determined to stick to his hard-line plans to isolate one of the Axis of Evil's charter members.

    But he has turned on a dime with this deal by offering to supply $400 million in aid in exchange for an end to North Korea's nuclear weapons work. The pact is complex, multi-staged and dotted with checkpoints that could bring it to a halt.

    This deal challenges North Korea to gradually dismantle its bomb building, right down to zero nukes. It involves six nations, not just Washington and Pyongyang, and it dumps the earlier fruitless White House policy of all-or-nothing concessions from the north.

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    i have several feelings on this issue.

    1) this creates a HUMUNGOUS precedent that will only snowball into bigger issues..like Iran. you think Iran is gonna stop their nuke mission now that they know they can just get paid like N Korea?

    2)Bush fell right into the trap. Now i kow everyone wants diplomacy to solve this crisis, but being blackmailed into this situation is not diplomacy, its blackmail stright up.

    3)N korea knew exactly what they were doing, as does Iran. every country should and probably will prusue nukes now that they know all they have to do is wait around until they are bought out...


    pathetic...

    Japan has it right on this one, dont be blackmailed...

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    So much with not making deals with terrorists?? They are sooo lucky they don't have oil or they would be in big time trouble???

    So all you Clinton haters in the peanut gallery, ready to jump on the Bush bashing train?? HMMM?

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    He has cut a deal with North Korea, whose leader Bush has repeatedly denounced and ridiculed.
    Riduculed ?

    When?
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    So much with not making deals with terrorists??
    Kim Jong Ill is a dictator, not a terrorist and history has shown that any deal made with his regime has a 50/50 chance of coming to fruition

    So all you Clinton haters in the peanut gallery, ready to jump on the Bush bashing train?? HMMM?
    I take it you are in favor of an immediate ,all out war with North Korea
    Last edited by franKg; 02-16-2007 at 09:52 PM.
    Originally posted by Americanadian
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    Re: A Bush reversal that could pay off

    January 2003:

    Quote Originally Posted by ianmatthews
    Saddam Hussein is a dictator, not a terrorist and history has shown that any deal made with his regime has a 50/50 chance of coming to fruition
    Quote Originally Posted by ianmatthews
    I take it you are in favor of an immediate ,all out war with Iraq

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    Bush has repeatedly denounced and ridiculed.
    franK;
    Riduculed ? When?
    Vinnie Barbarino? Right? Good imitation but he used to start off with, "What", and go on from there? Hopefully your doing Vinnie cuz you can't be serious that you have never heard Bush warning us about this nut-job??

    Kim Jong Ill is a dictator, not a terrorist

    You know, part of the axis of evil, using nukes as a threat to blackmail (very successfully I might add) for political (& his own personal) gain? Dictator not a terrorist? What part of terrorist do you not understand???

    franK;
    I take it you are in favor of an immediate ,all out war with North Korea
    I take it you are really, a closet liberal who is actually against the all out war in Iraq?? Man you are good?

    Maybe we should have gave Sadam $400,000,000,000 then we wouldn’t have all these dead Americans to deal with? You remember Sadam right? You know the guy we assumed had something he didn’t? N, Korea has them, or are you suggesting they don't? This is all too confusing, can you please at least be consistent on something? Anything?

    Why do I have the feeling that if N. Korea had oil you would be telling us the importance of a pre-emptive strike? And if I chose to disagree you would be calling me a liberal terrorist lover??

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    January 2003:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ianmatthews
    Saddam Hussein is a dictator, not a terrorist and history has shown that any deal made with his regime has a 50/50 chance of coming to fruition

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ianmatthews
    I take it you are in favor of an immediate ,all out war with Iraq
    That's good ian, I didn't even see your lips move? You and franK been doing your ventriloquist act long?? Hee, Hee, Hee!!!

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