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    The Only President Named George Who Made Sense

    It probably escapes the attentions of some, (and no doubt, all Monkeys) but today is set aside as a special dedication for "We The People" to reflect on the brave individuals who risked it all so that we can participate freely in the types of discussions we find here.

    Perhaps none of these individuals were quite as prescient, wise and modern in their views as the man to whom we owe everything, George Washington. And given the circumstances in which we find ourselves today, his words hold more urgency and insight for us 200 years hence than ever before.

    Let us read them carefully and consider them with the gravity and solemnity they deserve... now more than ever.


    "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world...avoid the necessity of those overgrown military establishments, which, under any form of government, are inauspicious to liberty, and which are to be regarded as particularly hostile to Republican Liberty."

    "The habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism."

    "If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit which the use can at any time yield."- George Washington

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    Re: The Only President Named George Who Made Sense

    Quote Originally Posted by dchristie


    "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world...avoid the necessity of those overgrown military establishments, which, under any form of government, are inauspicious to liberty, and which are to be regarded as particularly hostile to Republican Liberty."

    "The habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism."

    "If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit which the use can at any time yield."- George Washington
    Geez, he must have been a prophet and wasn't aware of it. It sure shows how far we have strayed from the original intent of the Constitution.

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    Re: The Only President Named George Who Made Sense

    So is someone proposing a twenty eighth amendment here or something? Three forths of the state legislatures are waiting.
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    Re: The Only President Named George Who Made Sense

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    Geez, he must have been a prophet and wasn't aware of it. It sure shows how far we have strayed from the original intent of the Constitution.

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    In what way, pretell?
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    Re: The Only President Named George Who Made Sense

    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    In what way, pretell?
    Is this a trick question Bogie, or a joke?
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    Re: The Only President Named George Who Made Sense

    Quote Originally Posted by Leeguana
    Is this a trick question Bogie, or a joke?
    You won't know until you answer it. One way or another it should be good for a laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    You won't know until you answer it. One way or another it should be good for a laugh.
    So it was a joke then. Whew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leeguana
    So it was a joke then. Whew.
    NO joke. The constitution is my hobby. Bring it.
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    Re: The Only President Named George Who Made Sense

    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    NO joke. The constitution is my hobby. Bring it.
    How about the very first line in Washington's qoute:

    "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world"

    Without predicting the future of foreign relations, hasn't the U.S. done this?
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    Re: The Only President Named George Who Made Sense

    Quote Originally Posted by dchristie
    "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world...avoid the necessity of those overgrown military establishments, which, under any form of government, are inauspicious to liberty, and which are to be regarded as particularly hostile to Republican Liberty."

    Looks like George Washington probably wouldn't approve of our relationship with Israel... :confused:


    "The habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism."
    This should be plastered on a billboard and placed in full view for Bush to see on a daily basis through the Oval Office window. :rolleyes:


    "If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit which the use can at any time yield."- George Washington
    Reading this... and knowing how these words have been abused by this president? It's just sad...

    It also reminds me of why I hate Bush so much... the self-seving bastard. :mad:

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    Re: The Only President Named George Who Made Sense

    Quote Originally Posted by Leeguana
    How about the very first line in Washington's qoute:

    "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world"

    Without predicting the future of foreign relations, hasn't the U.S. done this?
    Trying to figure out what this has to do with the constitution. Which was my question. But in regards to ol' gearges quote; he's been dead for some time now. No longer has much of a say in our foreign policy does he? Guess I missed the entire point of all this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    Geez, he must have been a prophet and wasn't aware of it. It sure shows how far we have strayed from the original intent of the Constitution.

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    You do realize m'lady that ol' george had nothing to do with writing the constitution, yes?
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    Re: The Only President Named George Who Made Sense

    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    Trying to figure out what this has to do with the constitution. Which was my question. But in regards to ol' gearges quote; he's been dead for some time now. No longer has much of a say in our foreign policy does he? Guess I missed the entire point of all this.
    Maybe I missed the point too . . . :) .
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    Re: The Only President Named George Who Made Sense

    Quote Originally Posted by Leeguana
    Maybe I missed the point too . . . :) .
    Yeah, I've read a bunch of george's stuff. Just don't understand the significance.
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    Re: The Only President Named George Who Made Sense

    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    You do realize m'lady that ol' george had nothing to do with writing the constitution, yes?
    But he did preside over the Constitutional Convention, right?
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    Re: The Only President Named George Who Made Sense

    Quote Originally Posted by Leeguana
    But he did preside over the Constitutional Convention, right?
    He represented Virgian during the convention and presided, and was one of the 54, I think it was, signers, yes. But he was elected as first president in 1789, a year after the constitution was ratified. I think anyway. So I did misspeak above. I meant to convey that the first president came after the constitution, which is what established the presidency in article two. George was indeed, proud of the document. As am I. As should every US citizen.
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