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    Islam is Not a Religion of Peace

    Islam Unveiled:

    You need to understand what is happening today in the Middle East and if you don’t understand this, you will not understand what’s going on in the Middle East. What is happening and why Jihad fighters are flooding into Iraq. Please understand it is not political, it’s not social, it’s not economic. What is happening today in the Middle East folks is theological. For the Moslem, they believe the only hope of heaven is to die fighting the enemies of Islam and die in a holy Jihad. How is Islam spread?

    Moslems come to the United States to study. They have the freedom to worship here. They have the freedom to build mosques. They have the freedom to proselytize and tell other people about the Koran/Quran and Mohammed. If Islam is so wonderful, tolerant, and peaceful, if I was in Saudi Arabia, the most holy place where Mecca and Medina are, would I have the freedom today to build a Christian church in Saudi Arabia? No. If I was in Saudi Arabia, would I have the freedom to hold a Bible study in my home? No. If I was in Saudi Arabia, would I have the freedom to proselytize out in the streets and tell people about the love of Jesus Christ? No, you do not have the freedom to do that. There is a difference of America founded upon Christian, Biblical value system and a nation founded on Islam. A lot of Moslems are fleeing Moslem countries, coming to America and other countries seeking freedom that they do not have in a Moslem nation. Many Moslems are living here in the west and they love the freedom they have living in the west based upon a Christian value system. They do not have that in their own nation.

    If you are Moslem reading this, I pray you will keep an open mind as we deal with these important issues.

    Islam means, in Arabic, submission, and a Moslem/Muslim is one who submits to the will of Allah, their name for God. Mohammed said that the chief duty of man is to submit to the will of Allah. The Koran/Quran, their holy book, says that you can not be a true Moslem unless you submit. Now the question one must answer when submitting to Allah is what is it that Allah wants?

    The Koran, which they believe are the very words of Allah, their God was started in 610 A.D. when Mohammad, the prophet of Islam, said an angel of light spoke to him while he was meditating in a cave a few miles north of his home in Mecca.

    The Koran/Quran, the Moslem holy book, has 114 suras or chapters.
    Hadiths are the teachings, traditions, and doings of the prophet Mohammed. The Hadiths are on a equal footing virtually with the Koran/Quran as an example of how a Moslem is to live. The majority of Moslems consider the Hadiths to be authoritative.
    Sharia, Islamic law regarding the duty of Moslems toward the god of Islam, means “the Way”.

    What is it that the Koran/Quran and Hadiths tell us that Allah wants? There are five key requirements that must be met in order to be a Moslem. And all Moslems whether you are in the Middle East, Indonesia, Pakistan, or North Africa, or Bangladesh, or America, all Moslems agree that these are the pillars of faith called the Five Pillars. All Moslems must submit to these. The first thing that is required of all Moslems in order to be a Moslem is what is called Shahada or the Declaration of Faith. Every Moslem must declare that there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet. The second thing that is required of all Moslems is prayer or Salat five times a day facing Mecca in Saudi Arabia. The reason that Moslems pray five times a day facing Mecca is not only to show their allegiance to Arabia, but in Islam they teach that man is not a sinner, but they say that man is merely forgetful. So a Moslem prays five times a day to help him remember to do the laws and commands of Allah. They also will pray in the mosque on Friday. Friday being the day of worship for all Moslems. They will gather there and pray at noon on Fridays. The third thing required of all Moslems is almsgiving. Usually 2.5% at the end of the year to give to the poor. Now a Moslem will give 2.5% of his income at the end of the year to the poor. Their giving is not out of any overwhelming love or compassion. They do that purely to gain meritoral favor in the eyes of Allah so that on the day of judgment Allah might weigh their good and bad deeds and consider them as possible candidates for paradise. The fourth thing all Moslems must do is fasting during the month of Ramadan. Ramadan is a month Moslems must observe every year. They are required to fast from sunrise to sundown. They are not allowed to eat or drink anything during the month of Ramadan from sunrise to sundown. That can be a very burdensome thing for Moslems living in the deserts of Arabia living in the hot sun there. As soon as the restaurants open up after sunset the Moslems flood into the restaurants and start eating-drinking, eating- drinking, and eating-drinking as much as they can. They will have a food orgy through the evening. Then they get some sleep and wake up early in the morning before sunrise and a Moslem will eat-drink, eat-drink, eat-drink as much as he can before the sun comes up. That’s called the fast of Ramadan. That lasts for a month. The fifth thing that is required of all Moslems is that at least once in their lifetime they will make a Hajj or pilgrimage Once in a Moslem’s lifetime they must make a pilgrammage or Hajj to Mecca. It can be a very difficult thing for many poor Moslems coming from poor nations where they will save all their life in order to make a pilgrimage at least once in their life. This pilgrimage was nothing new. Mohammed essentially took seventh-century Arabian Culture and elevated it to the status of religion. Mecca, where Mohammed was born was already at his birth the center of tribal worship. There was there in the Kaba of Mecca already setup 360 tribal deities (pagan gods) and the tribes of Arabia would make an annual Hajj/pilgrimage to Mecca. Most scholars of Islam say that Mohammed simply incorporated this into Islam in order to gain the favor of the businessmen in Mecca who were making a lot of money from this annual pilgrimage. But a Moslem when a Moslem, when he goes to Mecca, they go to what is called a Kaba. There in the Kaba there is this black cube covered by black cloth. At one end is a silver challis with a black meteorite in it. A Moslem will march around that black cube 7 times believing that this is where Abraham offered Ishmael, they say, on the altar. They believe it was Abraham who built this. The Moslem will then go outside the Kaba there in Mecca. He will pick up stones and throw stones at 3 pillars believing that he is stoning the works of Satan and freeing himself from sin that year. A Moslem will then go up to the cave about 3 miles north of Mecca where Mohammed said he received these revelations which later were turned into the Koran/Quran. This goes on for a week and is required of all Moslems at least once in their life.

    Five Pillars of Islam Faith
    1. Declaration of Faith (Shahada) There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger/prophet
    2. Prayer (Salat) Five times a day is compulsory
    3. Almsgiving (Zakat)
    4. Fasting (Sawm) During month of Ramadan – 9th month of lunar calendar so it changes every year.
    5. Pilgrimage to Mecca (Hajj)
    6. – “Jihad “ “Holy War” is often called the Sixth Pillar of Faith
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    Why is it so important that Moslems do what Allah wants? It is because Islam is essentially a religion of works. Entrance to paradise, they believe, must be earned. The sad part is that Moslems can never have assurance of salvation. They believe that when they die they will go to the grave where they await their judgment at the resurrection day. When judgment day comes, they believe Allah will weigh their good and bad deeds on a balancing scale. An honest Moslem will admit to you that the one thing they all fear in life, that every Moslem fears, is the balancing scales. He knows that one day there is coming a day in which God is going to weigh their good and bad deeds on a balancing scale. The Koran/Quran teaches that every person has two recording angels. One angel that sits on your right shoulder recording your good deeds. One angel that sits on your left shoulder recording all of your bad deeds. They are told on the day of judgment, God is going to weigh those good and bad deeds on a balancing scale, but no Moslem has guarantee of salvation. He’s never quite sure he’s done enough good works to gain God’s favor. There’s only one sure way that one can guarantee entrance to paradise and you need to understand this. For the Moslem today there is only one sure guarantee that they can ever make it to heaven. This is what makes the perfect motive for the suicide bombers and the Jihad fighters that we see today in the Middle East in Israel and Iraq and also here in 9/11 in America. For a Moslem, they believe that the only way they can no for sure they can get into paradise is if they die in a holy Jihad; die fighting the enemies of Islam. You see, the word Jihad actually means “struggle” in Arabic. A lot of Moslems in America will tell you it simply means “Personal inner struggle”. That’s not what it has ever meant. All Moslem scholars agree Jihad means that Moslems must fight the enemies of Allah until the enemies are dead or convert to Islam. As the Koran/Quran teaches in Sura 8:39 of the Koran, the Islam holy book, which is broken into 114 chapters known as Suras. In Sura 8:39 we read that Jihad is fighting anybody who stands in the way of speaking against the religion of Islam. Moslems believe that if you die in Jihad you do not even have to go to the grave to await for judgment, but you will go directly to paradise. You see for the Moslem, Jihad is really a contract between Allah and the Moslem. If a Moslem fights, Allah rewards him in the after life. As Sura 4:74 states let those who sell the life of this world for the hereafter fight in the cause of Allah. And who so fights in the cause of Allah and is killed we shall bestow on him a great reward. Sura 9:89 in the Koran/Quran says for them Allah has got ready guarded in his paradise under which rivers flow to dwell therein. Mohammed taught in the Hadiths that for a person to die in holy Jihad, he told his followers that they will be given 70 palaces and in each 70 palaces there will be 70 black-eyed virgins for them to have to fulfill their sexual desires.

    You need to understand what is happening today in the Middle East and if you don’t understand this, you will not understand what’s going on in the Middle East. What is happening and why Jihad fighters are flooding into Iraq. Please understand it is not political, it’s not social, it’s not economic. What is happening today in the Middle East folks is theological. For the Moslem, they believe the only hope of heaven is to die fighting the enemies of Islam and die in a holy Jihad. How is Islam spread? Over the past 50 years Islam has grown by over 235% to some 1.2 billion people worldwide. It has grown largely by birthrate, one of the fastest birthrates in the world. France recently had concern with all the riots they had going on by Moslem students. France is now 10% Moslem and it is the goal of Moslems and they have declared within 50 years France and Europe will become a Moslem continent largely by birthrate. When most people think of Islam, they think of the Middle East and North Africa, but in fact the largest Moslem is Indonesia where recently three Christian school girls on their way to school were beheaded by a Moslem mob in Indonesia. The entire Middle East, the Arab world, from Morocco across to North Africa to Iraq and the gulf states encompasses about 140 million Moslems. Pakistan and Bangladesh each have about 90 million. India has about 70 million. China has 63 million Moslems largely in the west of China. The whole southern tier of the Soviet Union; you have Terkmanistan, Kazakistan, Uzbekistan, Ujekistan, the whole area along Iran-Afghan border you have some 41 million. In Europe today, Islam is the second largest religion in Europe. In Great Britain, you have over 1.5 million Moslems and over 1,500 mosques now in London and England. It is their goal to turn England they say into a Moslem nation. Sadly, you have very naïve people like Prince Charles lecturing our state department that Islam is this wonderful, benevolent religion. You wonder if he’s not aware of what happened with the train station at London some time ago. In the U.S.A., 40 years ago Islam was non-existent. Today, because of Immigration and student visas, we have between 5-7 million Moslems in the U.S.A.

    How did all this begin? Many people have no background, no knowledge of Islam. It’s really a foreign subject to most people in America. Here’s a brief history/overview of how Islam began:

    570 A.D. Mohammed born in Mecca, Arabia
    595 A.D. Mohammed married
    610 A.D. Age 40 he received the first “revelation”
    622 A.D. Islam began with “Hijra” or move from Mecca to Medina (280 miles north)
    - First mosque established - Friday became the day of worship - Pray facing Mecca
    - Revelations continue

    628 A.D. – Revelation to elevate Islam above other religions including Christianity and Islam must dominate the world.
    629 A.D. – 10,000 man army to conquer Mecca and become supreme ruler over Arabia
    631 A.D. – Mohammed died at 62 years of age. Following Mohammed’s death, Islam was spread by the sword in the “Wars of Apostasy” begun by the first Caliph, Abu Bakr.
    732 A.D. – Battle of Tours in France

    Islam began by a man by the name of Mohammed, who they believe was the prophet of Arabia, born in 570 A.D. He lived for 62 years. Mohammed was born in Mecca in Saudi Arabia. At a very early age, both his parents died and Mohammed, the founder of Islam, was raised by his uncle who was a camel driver, a caravan driver. And Mohammed was raised driving camels across the Arabian desert. At the age of 25 a lady who was 15 years older asked if she could marry Mohammed. They were married. They had 2 sons and 2 daughters. The 2 sons died in early infancy. Mohammed at the age of 40 in 610 A.D. said he became a seeker after truth. Sadly, he did not seek after the God of the Bible. Mohammed said that he would go up to a cave three miles north of his home in Mecca. And there he said he would begin to receive revelations from an angel of light. He said that this angel of light who he later called Gabriel would give him a series of revelations. Mohammed would describe how sometimes he would hear bells ringing in his ears. He would fall down. He would foam at the mouth. Most scholars agree that Mohammed probably suffered from epilepsy as well. But he would communicate these messages to people who would write them down on palm trees, on bark, on leaves, on animal bones, on whatever they had to write on and whatever had not been eaten by animals was after the end of his life put together to what we know as the Koran/Quran; what they call the words of Allah. There were three major messages Mohammed sought to commuinicate to the people there in his home town of Mecca. Number 1 Mohammed sought to communicate that there was no God but Allah and that Mohammed was Allah’s prophet. The second thing he sought to communicate was that it was the chief duty of all people to be the slave of Allah. The word Moslem in Arabic means “submission”. It is the duty of all people to submit to the will of Allah. Thirdly, he said there is coming a great and terrible day of judgment in which God is going to raise the dead and he’s going to weigh everyone’s good and bad deeds on a balancing scale. He will condemn to hell those who are evil doers and give essential paradise to those who he favored. It’s very interesting that there in his home town of Mecca when you talk to Moslems they like to tell you Mohammed was a great prophet. But, it’s interesting that the Arabs in Mecca never accepted Mohammed as a prophet. The Christians never accepted him as a prophet. The Jews never accepted him as a prophet. In fact the Arabs in his own home town drove Mohammed out of Mecca and he fled for his life in 622 A.D. He fled 280 miles north to the town of Medina.
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    The Koran was started in 610 A.D. when Mohammed said an angel of light spoke to him while he was meditating in a cave. Mohammed claimed these were the words of the one true God Allah.
    In short Moslems believe the Koran is not Mohammed’s teachings, they believe the Koran is Allah’s very words. The revelations of the Koran came over a period of 22 years.

    The books of Hadith are another set of holy writings for Moslems. These are the books that record the accounts of the things the prophet Mohammed said and did during his life. In other words, the books of Hadith give the teachings of Mohammed in word and example. For most Moslems around the world, the Hadiths are on a equal footing

    The dominant religion just prior to Mohammed was Sabianism, a religion in which heavenly bodies were worshiped. The moon was viewed as a male deity, and a lunar calendar was used. The pagan rite of fasting began with the appearance of the crescent moon. Fasting was later adopted as one of the five pillars of faith of Islam.

    What about the name “Allah”? Moslems claim that Allah is the same God as Christians worship, just under another name. Yet if you look at the history of it, it is very different. The term “Allah” is a purely Arabic term used in reference to an Arabian deity. In fact, Allah was known to pre-Islmaic Arabs. He was one of the many deities that already existed in Mecca. The tribe into which Mohammed was born was particularly devoted to Allah, which was the moon god. It was represented by a black stone which was believed to have come down from heaven.

    In Arabia the sun god was viewed as female, and the moon was viewed as the male god. In pre-Islamic times, Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun god, and together they produced three goddesses called The Daughters of Allah. They were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities, those 360 idols in the Kaaba, at Mecca. When Mohammed took control of Mecca, he destroyed all the idols in the Kaaba except the stone deity, Allah. Do not ever accept Allah as just another name of the true and living God!
    The symbol of the worship of the moon god, Allah, in pre-Islamic Arab culture throughout the Middle East was the crescent moon. Today the crescent moon is on every flag of an Islamic nation. Go to a mosque; what is on top of it? A crescent moon, the symbol of Allah. Yet many Moslems don’t even know why it’s there.

    Background of Mohammed

    Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, was born in 570 A.D. and lived for 62 years, dying in 632. At the time he was born, Mecca was the center of trade and religious activity. Mohammed was a camel driver until the age of 25, when he met and married a lady who was 15 years his senior. She was 40 years old and wealthy.

    For the next 15 years, Mohammed ran the family fruit business in Mecca. It wasn’t until he was 40 years old that he claimed to receive revelations. He would go, as the seekers of truth would, up to a cave which was about three miles north of Mecca, to pray and meditate. According to Moslem tradition, the angel Gabriel came to Mohammed. Actually there are four different statements of what happened (in the Koran/Quran) which contradict each other. The Moslems have chosen to say now that it was Gabriel, and they take this as a sign that Mohammed was a prophet to the Arabs.

    After meditating there off and on for two years, Moslems say, Mohammed received revelations during which he would go into epileptic fits. (This is what Moslems believe they were). He would shake, he would perspire, he would foam at the mouth. Whether they were epileptic or even demonic, he claimed he then received revelations from an angel of light.

    What were the revelations? They were written down into what is known as the Koran/Quran, the Islamic holy book. However, they were not written down until years later because Mohammed himself was uneducated and probably did not even know how to write. The main message that Mohammed was communicating was that there was no god but Allah, that he was the one true god who created everything. The second thing he taught was that man is God’s slave, and it is his first duty to submit to God and to obey him. That’s why you get the term “Islam.” Islam means, in Arabic, submission, and a Moslem/Moslem is one who submits to the will of Allah. Mohammed said that the chief duty of man is to submit to the will of Allah.

    Mohammed also said that a great and terrible day of judgment is coming in which God will raise up the dead to life and will judge them and reward them based upon their deeds. Those who are found worthy will be given a sensuous life in heaven, and those who do not make it will be condemned to hell.

    The people at Mecca did not think too highly of this new prophet and his revelations. In fact they began to criticize and attack him. In 622 A.D. he fled to Medina, about 280 miles north of Mecca. This was the beginning of Islam.
    In the Middle East, everything is based upon the time that Mohammed fled to Medina in 622 A.D. That is the beginning of the Islamic calendar. It was in Medina that Mohammed first tried to get the Christians and Jews who were living there to follow him as the “prophet”. He called himself a prophet and an apostle, although that term was not used in their culture. He used the term “prophet” to appeal to the Jews and “apostle” to appeal to the Christians.

    He told them, interestingly, to pray to Jerusalem. When they did not accept Mohammed as a prophet or an apostle, he rejected them and told the other people to pray to Mecca, to Allah, his tribal deity. He then began to receive more revelations. It is very interesting to note what these revelations were. (They are found in the Koran/Quran.) He received revelations that he was to loot and steal from caravans that were passing through. There were many cases in which Mohammed and his followers would loot and rob caravans and then kill the men in order to satisfy his greed. In fact, the Koran/Quran and history report that he fought over 66 battles, killing tens of thousands of people.

    In one of his revelations, Mohammed was told to kill and drive out all the Jews. One time he had 1,000 Jewish men brought together and had them all beheaded. Islam became known as the religion of the sword. In 628 A.D., Mohammed received a revelation that Islam was to be exalted above all other religions, including Christianity and Judaism.

    In 629 Mohammed raised up an army of 10,000 men. He returned with them south to Mecca, where he had been raised, and conquered it. By force, he imposed Islam on the rest of the Arabian tribes. Mohammed died in 632 A.D., having conquered much of the Arabian Peninsula. Islam then spread by the sword across North Africa, and today holds one-sixth of the world’s population.


    Understanding Islam

    To understand Islam, perhaps the key factor is to realize that Islam must be studied in the religious and cultural context of seventh-century Arabia. In his excellent book Islamic Invasion (Harvest House Publishers), Dr. Robert Morey says that what Mohammed did was to raise the seventh-century culture in which he was born to the status of divine law. In fact, Islam is the deification of seventh-century Arabian culture. Unless you understand the historical context of when and where Mohammed was born, you will never understand Islam.

    Dr. Arthur Arberry, the head of Mideastern Studies at Cambridge University (and one of the great Arabic scholars), said this:

    Islam is a uniquely Arabian religion because Islam as a religion and culture are one, and as a religion and culture they are one. Islam must be understood in terms of its essential identification with seventh-century Arab culture. Mohammed simply took seventh-century culture around him in Arabia, and he raised it to the status of a religion.

    Islam seeks to impose its seventh-century Arabian culture in its political expression, its family affairs, its dietary laws, its clothing, its religious rites, its language on all other cultures. Moslems are religiously compelled to impose seventh-century Arab culture on the rest of the cultures in the world. What Mohammed did was took seventh-century political laws which governed all Arab tribes and turned them into the laws of Allah. In such tribes, the Sheik or chief of the nomadic tribes had absolute authority. There was no concept of civil or personal rights in seventh-century Arabia. This is why Islamic countries are inevitably ruled by dictators or strong men who rule as despots. There are 21 Arab nations. Not one of them is a democracy. Democracy does not work in a Moslem nation. The more the fundamentals of Islam gain dominance, the more a nation is plunged back into the dark ages of seventh-century Arab culture. Iran is a good example of this. The despots today of Libya, Iran, the late Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Syria, the Sudan, and Yemen are merely examples of such Arabian tyranny grafted into modern times. Because there was no concept of personal freedom or civil rights in the tribal life of seventh-century Arabia, Islamic law does not recognize the freedom of speech, the freedom of religion, the freedom of assembly, the freedom of the press. This is why non-Moslims (such as Christians) are routinely denied the most basic of human rights and are often physically attacked or jailed.
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    Take for example the woman¡¦s veil. What a poor, illiterate nomadic tribal woman wore in the desert of seventh-century Arabian culture. It's mandated by Islam as a dress code for Moslem women in most Moslem countries today. When you live in the Middle East you see women covered from head to foot and in their burkas. The Moslem women, when they live there, they always wonder why is it that they have to wear black in the hot, desert sun of Arabia? And if you get to know Moslem women, they'll tell you about the nausea being covered from head to foot in black in the desert; about the sickness and the nausea. They can't figure out why they have to wear black and what do the men all wear? You know the men all wear white to reflect the sun. You see the denial of civil rights to women is clearly evident in the Koran/Quran and is reflected in seventh-century Arab culture and its low view of women. There is a iron fist statue in Jetta Saudi Arabia, called the Iron Fist of Islam. It¡¦s too remind women who is in control. The Iron Fist of Islam sits in the center of the city.

    The CBS show 60 Minutes aired a segment just prior to 9/11 that they do not want to replay. Just prior to 9/11 Morley Safer was over in Hydrobad, India which is the center of Islam in India. Just before 9/11 on a 60 Minutes special showed how every week, and going on right now, oil sheiks from the gulf states in Arabia fly their jets into Hydrobad, India. He showed how they buy 9 and 10 year old little girls as their wives and they pay the families, poor Moslem families in Hydrobad, India; they pay them $200 to buy their 9 year old daughter. Morley Safer showed these little 9 year old girls in white wedding dresses being sold to an old oil sheik 60-70-80 years old with a long gray beard in flowing robes taking this little girl, 9 years old, on his jet to be flown to the gulf states to be part of his harem never to see her parents again. Morley Safer asked one of them as they were boarding a private jet, How can you justify this? You know most of the world calls this child abuse; pedophilia. This old oil sheik looked at Morley Safer; he said, There's nothing wrong with this. This is basic Islam. Mohammed had 12 wives. His youngest wife was 9 years old. He said that if a prophet can have a 9 year old wife so can we. It's basic Islam. This is going on right now every day in Hydrobad, India. World Health organization reported that every year over 2 million young girls ages 4-12 go through the barbaric practice of female circumcision so that they will not be able to enjoy any physical pleasure. This is a barbaric practice that goes on in every Moslem country over 2 million times every year, to a little girl 4-5-6-7 years old. Sadly, Islam is not this beautiful, benevolent, tolerant religion they seek to proclaim in the media. And then there is this nonsense we have heard over and over that Moslems and Christians worship the same God just by another name. How many of you have ever heard that one? Now please understand folks that the God of Islam is not the God of the Bible. Not only is it very clear when you read the Koran/Quran the characteristics have no relationship whatsoever to the God of the Bible.

    Islam's Allah _________________Biblical God
    -- Unknowable ______________-- Knowable
    -- Non-personal _____________-- Personal
    -- Unitarian _________________-- Trinitarian
    -- Changeable _______________-- Immutable
    -- Capricious ________________-- Trustworthy
    -- Remote __________________-- Loving
    -- Transcendent _____________-- Enters History
    -- Saves by Works of Legalism _-- Saves by Grace

    You see Mohammed was born into a tribe that was devoted to the god Allah. To understand Islam, you need to understand when Mohammed was born in Mecca, Mecca was already the center of religious worship. The Kaaba and the Hajj already existed. And what Mohammed did was he took what was already in existence and turned into a Moslem religion. There was there in the Kaaba 360 tribal deities, idols. Every tribe had a different god. The tribe that Mohammed was born into, his tribe was devoted to the moon god, known as Allah. And what Mohammed did in the seventh century is he went in and told the other Moslem tribes that they were to destroy their tribal deities and they were to elevate his tribal deity, Allah, the moon god, to the supreme deity. Well that's why in 622 A.D. they never accepted him as a prophet. They drove him out of Mecca. He came back 7 years later with an army of 10,000 men and with the Islamic sword forced them to bow down to Allah, his moon god. That's why their calendar is a lunar calendar. That's why atop of every mosque, every minaret around the world; what do you have on top of every mosque around the world? You have a crescent moon. Did you ever wonder why they put the crescent moon on top of every mosque? It's very interesting. Most Moslems have no idea.

    In the Koran/Quran it talks about Abraham offering Ishmael as an offering to God and how Allah spares Ishmael and offers a ram for the sacrifice.

    There was the sacrificial system of why Christ came as the Eternal Lamb of God and how Jesus Christ, who the Koran/Quran mentions, who Mohammed had a false view of. Islam says:
    ___Jesus Christ was not the Son of God.
    ___Jesus did not die for our sins
    ___Jesus was not divine, only a man
    ___Jesus was not crucified
    ___Jesus is not the Savior, only a prophet
    Holy Bible - Gal. 1:8.9 -- But though we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
    Holy Bible - Matt. 24: 3,4,5 -- And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For man shall come in my name, saying I am Christ, and shall deceive many.
    Holy Bible - 1 Cor. 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
    Holy Bible - 2 Cor 11:3,4, 13-15 -- But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoreth his head. Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given her for a covering.


    Jesus in Islam:
    Koran/Quran mentions Jesus Christ 96 times; Mohammed only 25 times.
    When you read the Koran/Quran there are some things that Mohammed got right.
    Koran/Quran says Jesus was virgin born; lived a sinless life not Mohammed. The Koran says Mohammed was a sinner;
    The Koran/Quran says that Jesus performed miracles. In fact the Koran/Quran says Jesus Christ will return to be ruler and judge the world.
    Koran/Quran calls Jesus calls Jesus the Word of God 7 times and the Spirit of God.
    If the Koran/Quran says that Jesus Christ is the Word of God, the very Spirit of God, wouldn't you want to know what the Word of God says; what the Spirit of God says?

    Why is there a crescent moon on top of Moslem mosques? The reason they put the moon on top of the mosques is because that Allah was a pagan moon deity, a seventh century tribal idol. Folks, please never equate Allah with the God of the Bible. Moslems like to say, Allah Ahkbar-Allah Ahkbar God is great-God is great. When you saw Zarkowi chop off the head of Nick Berg, you saw him say Allah Ahkbar-Allah Ahkbar ¡V God is great.

    There's two kinds of greatness. When a Moslem says that God is great it means that God is so transcendent, so far removed for man, they can never know God in a personal relationship. And in Islam they teach that God is so far transcendent that you can never know God, that he is isolated from his creation. There's two kinds of greatness. There's one of the greatness you talk about of a king who lives isolated in a remote palace and never knows his people. And you say that king is great in his royal palace.

    When Christians talk about God is great, it's like the greatness of a medical doctor who leaves a lucrative practice in California and moves to Africa to work among the aids patients and the poor in Africa. We say that doctor is great. When Christians say that God is great, it's not that He is so transcendent that we can never know Him. But God is so great that He invaded human history and took on human flesh and became a man. And He came as the Eternal Lamb of God as the infinite sacrifice to shed His blood for your sins and mine. The Koran/Quran says that Abraham offered Ishamael. God offered Jesus Christ as the eternal Lamb of God, the infinite sacrifice.
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    For a Moslem, he has no assurance of salvation. He’s following a pagan moon deity. A crescent moon that sits on top of a mosque that can never save anyone. He’s told he must have his good and bad deeds weighed on a balancing scale, but he’s never sure he’s done enough good deeds. He’s told the only way is if he dies in a holy Jihad, killing people for Islam. That’s why we ought to weep, cry, and care deeply for Moslems. Please understand that Moslems that live around us are not the enemy. They are victims of the enemy. They’re victims of a false prophet. They’re victims of a false religion. They’re victims of a false god, a moon god who sits on top of their mosque. And sadly Moslems are under threat of death if they dare question the teachings of Islam. So Moslems live in fear. We have a tremendous opportunity as the mission field is coming to our front door step to share with them the Good News that God is so great that He came into human history and personally revealed Himself to us. And when the Koran/Quran says that Jesus is the very Word of God, and the very Spirit of God don’t you want to know what the Word of God says; the Spirit of God? Holy Bible -- John 3:16 - "God so loved the whole world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."It’s interesting that in the Koran/Quran it says that Allah has 99 names. If you go to Rhiad or Damascus, to Cairo or Baghdad, you’ll see the Moslem men walking down the street carrying a string of 33 beads. A Moslem man will go through that string of 33 beads 3 times each day, naming off the 99 names for God found in the Koran/Quran. What is interesting about those 99 names; most of them are adjectives, is not one of those 99 names is that God is a God of love. Nowhere in Islam does it say that God is a God of love. Nowhere in the Koran/Quran does it say that God is our Heavenly Father. That concept is foreign to them. For them, God is a God of shear power who wills and determines everything that happens on earth. They say that man has no free choice. The Moslems are coming to this country seeking freedom and we have a tremendous opportunity to realize they have come to this country seeking help, seeking freedom. We need to be willing to share with the them the tremendous good news. Don’t ever take it for granted folks in how unique Christianity really is. People are fleeing Moslem countries trying to get to Christian nations because they realize there is a difference. We need to share that Jesus Christ is the very Word of God. That God so loved the whole world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever should believe in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    Allah is not the God of the Bible. He is a pagan deity who can save no one.

    Islam’s Salvation:People not sinners; only need teachers and guides
    Saved by works of legalism (Five Pillars of Faith)
    No Assurance of Salvation (unless you die as a martyr in a Jihad or holy war).

    Holy Biblical Salvation:
    People born sinners in need of a Savior
    Romans 3:23 – For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
    Saved by Grace through faith in Jesus Christ
    Ephesian 2:8,9 – For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast.
    Romans 6:23 – For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of Gid is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    Assurance of Salvation
    1 John 5:11-13 – And this is the record, that God hat given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
    John 3:16 -- For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    John 14:6 – Jesus saith unto him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

    One of the problems you have when you read the Koran/Quran is that it is not written in chronological order. It is simply written by order of the smallest chapter to the largest chapter. One of the problems many people have when reading the Koran/Quran is there is no chronology historically to the Koran/Quran. They’ll see these one or two verses in the Koran/Quran that talk about tolerance toward other religions and they say well Islam must be a tolerant religion and those verses are repeated over and over again. You need to understand those things occurred very early on in Mohammed’s teachings in Medina. He was seeking to gain the favor of the Jews and Christians. When the Jews and Christians did not accept Mohammed as a prophet, you see this radical shift take place in their Koran/Quran, their holy book where Mohammed ordered the killing and slaughter of all the Jews including Christians who would not accept his god, Allah and Mohammed as a prophet. It was there in Medina where Mohammed created his first mosque. He preached his first sermon on Friday and Friday became a day of worship for all Moslems. It was there in Medina that Mohammed began to receive a writing of revelations when the Jews did not accept him and there was a large Jewish community in Medina. Mohammed claimed to receive revelations from this angel of light that he was to drive out and kill all of the Jews in the area. History records that during this time, Mohammed led 66 battles there at Medina. History records that in one day Mohammed had rounded up 2,000 Jewish men and had their heads cut off and their bodies thrown into a trench and their bodies burned. You need to understand that when you see the beheading of people in Iraq like Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl and others that what they are doing is following the teachings and practices of the prophet Mohammed. In fact in one day he had over 2,000 Jewish men beheaded well documented in history. Mohammed claimed to receive a variety of revelations and what Mohammed did there in Medina was over a period of seven years he sought to raise up an army that would go back to Mecca. In order to raise up this army of 10,000 men which he eventually did he began to claim a variety of revelations which Moslem scholars call, “revelations of convenience”. He first began to receive revelations that his followers were to loot and steal from the caravans that were passing through Medina and this was to support their cause. Then in order to gain a larger number of men he began to receive revelations that he was to take multiple wives. When Mohammed died, he had 12 wives and Mohammed’s youngest wife was nine (9) years old. Though Mohammed had 12 wives, he limited all other men to having four wives. That is still widely practiced today throughout the Middle East. That’s why Mormonism is often called the American religion of Islam. It’s interesting the parallels between Islam and Mormonism; how both Mohammed and Joseph Smith both claimed to get revelations from this angel of light and how this angel of light told both Mohammed and Joseph Smith they were to take multiple wives and on and on. It’s interesting the parallels.

    In 628 A.D., Mohammed received a revelation that Islam was to be exalted above all other religions, and Islam must dominate the world. Finally, in 629 A.D., Mohammed had raised up an army of 10,000 men and went south with them to Mecca, There in Mecca in 629 A.D. history records with the Islamic sword he slaughtered thousands of people forcing them to bow down to Allah, his god. Today, Islam is known as the religion of the sword. To this day, Saudi Arabia has on its flag the Islamic Sword and if you read Arabic, the words on the Saudi Arabian flag says, “There is no god but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet” with the Islamic sword because it became known as the religion of the sword.

    Mohammed died in 632 A.D. known as the prophet of Arabia. It’s very interesting after his death, we had for 100 years what is known as the wars of apostasy. When you study the wars of apostasy it’s very interesting that right after Mohammed’s death the Arabs in Saudi Arabia sought to leave Islam. They didn’t want to have anything to do with it. So Abu Bakr, the first Caliph after Mohammed died, (Caliph means leader) waged long and tyrannical wars against the poor Arabs there in Arabia. In all of the civilized world we are wondering what it is that caused Abu Bakr to wage such long and brutal wars, killing tens of thousands of people. All Moslems are quick to answer that Abu Bakr was simply carrying out Mohammed’s orders as he himself claimed because these Arab tribes deserted Islam as soon as Mohammed; therefore the fight with them was inevitable. It is recorded in history that Abu Bakr sent 11 Moslem generals against 11 cities to fight the apostates. The victories gained by Moslems in the wars of apostasy had one very significant result. These victories deterred anyone who intended to apostatize from Islam. The clear point is that by the threat of death Islam attempted to keep people against their will in the realm of Islam. A Moslem scholar wrote that when Mohammed died most Arabs wanted to turn away from Islam, but Sahura Mirtz (not sure of the spelling) stood up in their midst and said “Anyone who relinquishes Islam, we will cut off his head”. People changed their minds and were afraid.
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    Why did the Arabs become Apostate after the death of Mohammed?
    Why did Meccans intend to turn away from Islam?
    The answer is they had embraced Islam only under the threat of the sword because Mohammed forced them to choose between Islam and death.
    In the ordinances of the Koran/Quran it states: If someone becomes a Moslem then apostacizes he would be asked to repent. If he does not repent, he should be killed.

    In a top biography written of Mohammed, it says “Any of the infidels who said there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his apostle, he became a Moslem obligated to Islamic laws. If he rejected that later on, he would be subject to death. Islamic history books record that when Mohammed returned to Mecca, he sentenced to death all who apostacized or insulted him. In fact one of the most famous statements that all Moslems know is found in the Hadiths and is also found in his biography, Mohammed said on his death bed, “Whoever relinquishes his faith, kill him”. This is one of the reasons why we should we and cry for Moslems. There are many Moslems around the world that would like to leave Islam. They live under tremendous fear and oppression in Moslem countries. You need to understand that the heart of Islam is the teaching that if you relinquish Islam, if you turn your back on it, you are sentenced to have your head cut off. In a Christian nation, we don’t understand the fear the Moslems have. That fear is very real in Moslem nations. One of Mohammed’s popular claims is that God commanded him to fight people until they became Moslems and carried out the ordinances of Islam. All Moslem scholars agree without exception about this. One biography says that Mohammed said, “I have been ordered by God to fight with people until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger. You need to understand that what is going on in Iraq today,what is going on in the Middle East, the continual violence and continual killing, that this is not political, it’s not social, it’s not economic. There are real theological reasons why they are doing this. They are commanded in the Koran/Quran and the Hadiths by Mohammed himself that they are to fight against anyone who would deny Islam.

    This is from their book the Koran/Quran which they believe are the very words of Allah. In fact there are over 100 verses in the Koran/Quran where Allah commands the killing of Christians and Jews that anyone who does not submit to Allah.

    Sura 9:5, 12, 14, 29, 30 – Then when the sacred months have passed, slay the infidels wherever you find them. Take them captive and besiege them. Prepare for them each an ambush. If they assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief. Fight them. Allah will chastise them at your hands and he will lay them low and give you victory over them. Fight against such as those who have been given the scriptures and believe not in Allah and follow not the religion of truth. The Christian says that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God. That is their sayings with their mouths. Allah, himself, fighteth against them. How perverse are they.

    Sura 4:171 – Oh people of the scriptures (meaning Jews and Christians) do not exaggerate in your religion or utter aught concerning Allah. The Messiah, Jesus, Son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah. So believe in Allah and say not three are Trinity. Cease. It is better for you. Allah alone is God.

    Sura 5:51, 55, 57 -- Oh ye who believe, take not the Jews and Christians for friends. He among you who taketh them for friends is one of them. Woe, Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. Your friend can only be Allah and his messenger and those who believe. Oh you who believe, choose not for friends such as those who receive the scriptures before you, but keep your duty to Allah.

    Sura 2:190 and following -- Fight in the way of Allah. Slay them wherever you find them. Drag them out and fight them until persecution is no more and religion is for Allah.
    When we witnessed the beheading on the internet of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, and we see Zarkowi, saying Allah Ahkbar, Allah Ahkbar, Allah Ahkbar before the beheading. In Arabic it means, God is great, God is great. He is simply repeating what the Koran, their holy book, the very words of Allah commands them to do.

    Sura 8:12 & 13 – Allah says, “Strike off their heads. Strike off their fingertips because they defy God and his apostle.”
    Sura 4:89 – Allah says, “Seize them and put them to death wherever you find them.”

    Sura 9:123 – Allah says, “Believers make war on the infidels who are among you.”
    Sura 47:4 – Allah declares, “When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads and when you have laid them low, bind them captive.”

    We could go on and on for another 100 verses.

    We are at the place where tolerance has somehow become a higher virtue than preaching the truth. I think it’s about time that we start asking some serious questions about what is going on in the world. You see, America awakened September 11, 2001 to the appalling scene on television of passenger planes deliberately crashing into the world trade center towers and the Pentagon. Stunned disbelief gave way to the question who could so carefully plan and execute such inhumane and destructive slaughter? What cause could so powerfully motivate highly educated and trained individuals to sacrifice their own lives and so many lives of innocent strangers? The simple, but horrible fact is that only the religion of Islam could supply the motivation for what they did folks. Though people of goodwill recoil form attaching blame to a major world religion, I believe we can no longer afford such sentimentality. No longer do we dare allow Islam to escape its undeniable responsibility. The devastating acts of war by Islamists against the United States were sadly greeted by naïve statements made by well intentioned government leaders. We must distinguish between terrorism perpetrated by extremist groups and Islam itself which is supposedly peaceful. Yet I could read over 100 verses in the Koran/Quran advocating the necessity to use violence to spread Islam.

    I think we need to face some questions.

    Is not the attempt to force them into Islam the cause of the cruel enslavement and torture and slaughter of millions of Christians in southern Sudan today?

    Is not Islam the cause of what caused Moslems to behead three Christian children in Indonesia?

    Is not Islam the driving force behind the destructive riots we’ve seen in Nigeria, Indonesia, Pakistan, and elsewhere?

    We have arrived at a defining moment in human history. Where truth could triumph if the world would recognize that these Islamists of 9/11 were not fanatics, but they were in fact devout Moslems who were earnestly following their religion. This recognition could bring fresh sympathy for Moslems of all nationalities who are tragically trapped in the system of Islam. We should weep and cry for them. Not until you live in a Moslem nation do you realize how enslaved and trapped people really are. No Islamic nation is democratic and none ever has been. No freedom of expression or worship exists in Moslem nations and many Moslems now feel enslaved and disenchanted and leave their countries in mass to settle in the western world.

    I think there are some things we need to consider. First and foremost is this:

    Muhammad took the political laws which governed seventh-century Arabian tribes and literally made them the laws of Allah, their God.

    Where is the Islamic society to which where millions of people are streaming because it is so compelling and attractive?

    In what country or region of the world is this so called beautiful religion practiced in such a way that it might prompt you to want to move there and retire for the rest of your life?

    Tell me folks. If Islam is so wonderful, what Moslem nation is it that millions of people are immigrating to trying to get in because they want to be a part of this wonderful, beautiful religion?

    Understand, people aren’t immigrating to Moslem nations. Rather, we are witnessing today millions and millions of Moslems around the world fleeing Moslem countries for America, for Europe, for South Africa, for New Zealand, for Australia, trying to get to freedom.

    In what Moslem nation, welcomes people of other religions in the way our nation welcomes Moslems?

    You know three explanations no longer work:
    1) It isn’t for lack of time. Islam has had well over 1300 years to get their act together.
    2) It isn’t for lack of money. Islam has direct access to some of the world’s greatest wealth.
    3) It isn’t for lack of power. Islam controls nearly 40 countries politically today.

    You know it’s one thing for the leaders of Islam to say what we witnessed on 9/11 is not the true fruit of what they teach. It’s another thing for them to show us where their true fruit is.
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    You don't really expect anybody to read all that do you? Jeez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    You don't really expect anybody to read all that do you? Jeez.
    It's there for an intellectual debate. You can't debate intellectually if you are ignorant in the subject?
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    Quote Originally Posted by travellingman
    It's there for an intellectual debate. You can't debate intellectually if you are ignorant in the subject?
    Guess I'll stay ignorant. :D
    The terminally stupid and certifiably insane.

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    I skimmed a bit. If this guy hates the Muslims based on what he perceives as biblical error (he doesn't appear to have read the bible) and that they're bad for being *shudders* law-abiding, I don't want to even imagine what he thinks about Jews.

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    Ok, I guess ill pull apart your masses of words and try to answer some of your “facts”.

    First you stated that you can’t build a church in medina and Mecca, apparently it’s not the same as a plot in the US, it’s more like if you can build a mosque in Vatican. Truth is you can’t build a mosque in Vatican. People tend to be secular about their most treasured locations, also you have to put into mind that millions of Muslims come to hajj in those areas every year, so not only churches but even a lot of other places are not allowed to be built.

    Second Hadith are and were never at an equal footing with the quran, they are at many times flawed, and have a chance to be incorrect while the same doesn’t apply for the quran. The quran will take precedence over any recorded hadith that contradicts it, and make it null; however it hasn’t yet happened to an authentic hadith as to date.

    Third about initial sin, it’s that we don’t believe man should be cursed at birth for something we didn’t do, our actions are what we get to, we pray 5 times to be constantly to be active in our religion, were constantly reminded that god is there. Almsgiving IS out of compassion, as it teaches us that 2.5% wasn’t ours in the first place and it’s our duty to realize there are unfortunates. As for fasting, its there full a multiple amount of reasons, we don’t only abstain from food, but from sexual desires, lying, cheating, backbiting or any sin would break your fast as well. Also most Muslims don’t fill themselves before and after fasting times because it’s a hadith to never fill your-self more than ¾ of your capacity, again also the prophet broke his fast with nothing but dates and water. Again your slur about Hajj is also incorrect, remember that you don’t have to make hajj if you can’t afford it, Muhammad specifically mentioned this.

    Fifth this “pagan” religion acknowledged the existence of Abraham as their forefather, and believed that he built the kaba and he showed everyone how to perform the pilgrimage, this wasn’t custom, this was always at the level of religion. Note that from Ishmael, With no prophet to guide them people started to become corrupt, and housed other Gods, Abraham’s God, Allah was still in existence and acknowledged as the ultimate god. However much they believed he was too powerful for humans and created a second tier of gods of which multiplied, and housed the kaba. BTW jihad has never in anyway by quran or any hadith called the sixth pillar, you or whatever source you picked that from is making it up, which could scar on your reliability.

    Sixth you mentioned “scaling”, well in the quran it is said that the only thing Allah has forbidden upon himself is injustice. Yup if you’re a Muslim you believe you earn salvation, not that your sins are forgiven from some guy dying on a cross for you.

    Seventh here is something else you made up, that dying by jihad is the only “sure way” of getting into paradise. It is not, multiple hadith claim that you have to answer your deeds if you hurt someone else/ sinned in anyway. If you are a sinner, you have to answer for that.
    Also I’d like a reference of that 70 virgins hadith because I’ve never heard of that, and I am pretty sure you’re making it up. One of the reasons I firmly doubt it is because hadith are what Muhammad says, and not once does he ever been recoded saying anything about obtaining sexual desires, only to strictly abstain from them.

    Ok my hands are getting tired so ill just tackle your biggest lies from now on (not that it’ll reduce any work T_T)

    First of all your idea that Allah is Unknowable and non-personal is entirely false. In fact Allah is probably even more “knowable” to Muslims than god is to Christians, basically cause in Islam you pray five times a day, (not once a week) in which its sunnah to make “duaah” or a prayer every time asking for Allah to bless you in this world and the hereafter, Also it’s hadith that your closer than ever Allah during the prostration part of the prayer. Also in the Quran it’s said that Allah is closer to you more so than your jugular vein. Also unlike your “biblical God” in Islam you have no clergy to reach God for you, you have to do it yourself. So you can count that as an abysmal lie as well, in fact it’s the opposite of what you said…

    Also being “saved by grace” is also somewhat weird too saying that a hard core sinner can go to heaven by just being a Christian? I don’t know but I think a “legal/just” God sounds better for me.

    Here’s another blunt lie- The moon symbol want ever in existence during Muhammad’s time. It was adopted by Turkish people long after Muhammad's death. In the quran is the story of Abraham saying that he thought both the sun and moon might be gods and then debunked them, claiming that they both set and rise. Unlike the cross, that moon symbol has no significance in Islam and was brought out by the Turks as an icon to represent Islam. I have to say it’s out of SEVERE ignorance to claim anything about a moon god, other than a lunar calendar, and a mass-reported miracle of Muhammad splitting the moon with his finger, there is no mentioning of the moon in anyway in Islam of worship or even significance for that matter.

    As for the 99 names, sure it doesn’t say the “god of love” because that’s not an adjective, so it’ll have to be “the lover” which is linguistically equivalent to the very first two words, “the merciful” and “the beneficent”. That’s another lie.

    Want me to point out even more lies, here you go, btw wherever you got this source/ written it is full of ignorance beyond god knows what. Muhammad fought a single offensive war in his life, when he took over makkah, in which he took all his people and lit fires around the city scaring them into surrender, and not a single drop of blood was shed. Every other war was defensive.

    Here’s your idea of Muhammad’s wives? EVERY single person he married with the exception of Aisha was a widow/slave and majority of them were quite old. Also Aisha not only never bore a child and remained to be one of Muhammad’s only virgin wives. Plus it’s not 12 it’s disputed among from ranging up to 7-11 and the fact that he never had more than 4 wives at one time.

    Ok ill point out yet more lies too - Arabs never left Islam after Muhammad’s death, they simply stopped paying zakat (charity), quite a minority did this too. This is a massively ignorant rant.

    Ok I am getting sleepy now ill continue this tomorrow and cuz my hand hurt from typing >.< Btw as a final note, you should really check up on your sources if you want to find out about Islam bigot books aren’t the way to go, go talk to some practicing Muslim, go to a mosque, read a book by a unbiased person (who doesn’t pack in lies), etc.

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    man i deserve medal for reading/ analyzing / writing about all em lies ><
    at least this got me to sign up ^_^
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    Glad you are here arcane. I was trying to debate with this guy on another thread. He is basically just a christian fudamentalist nut case.

    The stuff he uses to make his point is the same misinformation posted on your average anti-islamic sites.

    But I kept up the dialogue so hopefully other people reading the thread would learn the truth about Islam.

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    I'm not as educated in Islam as you guys are, obviously, but I can back up a fair bit of this.

    Allah = G-d in Judaism.

    Jesus does not = G-d in Judaism.

    My own take is that it's the Christians who ran off the tracks on this one, not the Muslims. And that is based on a good deal of biblical knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComplexKid
    I'm not as educated in Islam as you guys are, obviously, but I can back up a fair bit of this.

    Allah = G-d in Judaism.

    Jesus does not = G-d in Judaism.

    My own take is that it's the Christians who ran off the tracks on this one, not the Muslims. And that is based on a good deal of biblical knowledge.
    Also, Jesus dose not = G-d in Islam

    I studied christianity for many years. I finally came to the realization that Paul had hijacked the christian faith, and turned it into the form as we know it today.

    Did you ever read Karen Armstrongs book ''Muhammad''?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawud
    Glad you are here arcane. I was trying to debate with this guy on another thread. He is basically just a christian fudamentalist nut case.

    The stuff he uses to make his point is the same misinformation posted on your average anti-islamic sites.

    But I kept up the dialogue so hopefully other people reading the thread would learn the truth about Islam.
    These Pictures tell it all!

    Muslims have stated that England will be the first country they take over!


    These are pictures not shown on American TV or in American Newspapers (as they might help Bush's war on terror), but were forwarded to me by a Canadian Friend who thought Americans ought to know!

    These pictures are of Muslims marching through the streets of London during their recent "Religion of Peace Demonstration."

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