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    To Infinity & Beyond

    The Universe and time = infinite, a never ending cycle, planets, stars, all living matter, all of that dies and something replaces it, but the universe and time have no beginning and no end, infinity in time and space...


    No Big Bang? Endless Universe Made Possible by New Model
    Source: http://physorg. com/news89399974 .html

    A new cosmological model demonstrates the universe can endlessly expand
    and contract, providing a rival to Big Bang theories and solving a
    thorny modern physics problem, according to University of North
    Carolina at Chapel Hill physicists.

    The cyclic model proposed by Dr. Paul Frampton, Louis J. Rubin Jr.
    distinguished professor of physics in UNC's College of Arts & Sciences,
    and co-author Lauris Baum, a UNC graduate student in physics, has four
    key parts: expansion, turnaround, contraction and bounce.

    During expansion, dark energy -- the unknown force causing the universe
    to expand at an accelerating rate -- pushes and pushes until all matter
    fragments into patches so far apart that nothing can bridge the gaps.
    Everything from black holes to atoms disintegrates. This point, just a
    fraction of a second before the end of time, is the turnaround.

    At the turnaround, each fragmented patch collapses and contracts
    individually instead of pulling back together in a reversal of the Big
    Bang. The patches become an infinite number of independent universes
    that contract and then bounce outward again, reinflating in a manner
    similar to the Big Bang. One patch becomes our universe.

    "This cycle happens an infinite number of times, thus eliminating any
    start or end of time," Frampton said. "There is no Big Bang."

    An article describing the model is available on the arXiv.org e-print
    archive and will appear in an upcoming issue of Physical Review
    Letters.

    Cosmologists first offered an oscillating universe model, with no
    beginning or end, as a Big Bang alternative in the 1930s. The idea was
    abandoned because the oscillations could not be reconciled with the
    rules of physics, including the second law of thermodynamics, Frampton
    said.

    The second law says entropy (a measure of disorder) can't be destroyed.
    But if entropy increases from one oscillation to the next, the universe
    becomes larger with each cycle. "The universe would grow like a runaway
    snowball," Frampton said. Each oscillation will also become
    successively longer. "Extrapolating backwards in time, this implies
    that the oscillations before our present one were shorter and shorter.
    This leads inevitably to a Big Bang," he said.

    Frampton and Baum circumvent the Big Bang by postulating that, at the
    turnaround, any remaining entropy is in patches too remote for
    interaction. Having each "causal patch" become a separate universe
    allows each universe to contract essentially empty of matter and
    entropy. "The presence of any matter creates insuperable difficulties
    with contraction, " Frampton said. "The idea of coming back empty is the
    most important ingredient of this new cyclic model."

    This concept jolted Frampton when it popped into his head last October.

    "I suddenly saw there was a new way of solving this seemingly
    impossible problem," he said. "I was sitting with my feet on my desk,
    half-asleep and puzzled, and I almost fell out of my chair when I
    realized there was a much, much simpler possibility. "

    Also key to Frampton and Baum's model is an assumption about dark
    energy's equation of state -- the mathematical description of its
    pressure and density. Frampton and Baum assume dark energy's equation
    of state is always less than -1. This distinguishes their work from a
    similar cyclic model proposed in 2002 by physicists Paul Steinhardt and
    Neil Turok, who assumed the equation of state is never less than -1.

    A negative equation of state gives Frampton and Baum a way to stop the
    universe from blowing itself apart irreversibly, an end physicists call
    the "Big Rip." The pair found that in their model, the density of dark
    energy becomes equal to the density of the universe and expansion stops
    just before the Big Rip.

    New satellites currently under construction, such as the European Space
    Agency's Planck satellite, could gather enough information to determine
    dark energy's equation of state, Frampton said.

    A copy of the paper may be downloaded at
    http://arxiv. org/abs/hep- th/0610213

    Source: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
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    I think this has been theorized for some time now. We have no evidence of the bang itself, only it's effect. And all of our evidence only goes back to a few milliseconds after the bang. So an endless expansion contraction cycle supports what we've seen so far, just many of them. Remember all we can observe now is what light is finally arriving at earth. Some of the stars you see tonight are really no longer there. They're somewhere else, and we see where they were thousands and even millions of years ago. Billions in some cases.
    The terminally stupid and certifiably insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    I think this has been theorized for some time now. We have no evidence of the bang itself, only it's effect. And all of our evidence only goes back to a few milliseconds after the bang. So an endless expansion contraction cycle supports what we've seen so far, just many of them. Remember all we can observe now is what light is finally arriving at earth. Some of the stars you see tonight are really no longer there. They're somewhere else, and we see where they were thousands and even millions of years ago. Billions in some cases.

    Yeah, I'd read that too, Bogie, could not get my wee head around it, at first.

    I was like "What do you mean not there NOW, I can see them NOW"???? :confused:

    Then it was explained to me...

    ....I pretended to understand. :D
    "Ethics" is simply a last-gasp attempt by deist conservatives and
    orthodox dogmatics to keep humanity in ignorance and obscurantism,
    through the well tried fermentation of fear, the fear of science and
    new technologies.
    There is nothing glorious about what our ancestors call history,
    it is simply a succession of mistakes, intolerances and violations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enlightenment
    Yeah, I'd read that too, Bogie, could not get my wee head around it, at first.

    I was like "What do you mean not there NOW, I can see them NOW"???? :confused:

    Then it was explained to me...

    ....I pretended to understand. :D
    Me too. And when I pretend enough people actually think I know something. But all I really do is steal lines from folks like Caral Sagan. Some people actually emulate folks like Jerry Fallwel or Tammy Faye Backer. :)

    BTW, and no cheating this time. They removed the makeup from Tammy Faye. Guess what they found?
    The terminally stupid and certifiably insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    Me too. And when I pretend enough people actually think I know something. But all I really do is steal lines from folks like Caral Sagan. Some people actually emulate folks like Jerry Fallwel or Tammy Faye Backer. :)

    BTW, and no cheating this time. They removed the makeup from Tammy Faye. Guess what they found?
    This should be good.....what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry05_99
    This should be good.....what?
    Jimmy Hoffa :D :D :D
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