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    Gay State

    The state (in both terms!) of Israel is often discussed on here.

    Leaving aside the usual stuff, the basic premise was that after WW2, the state was created probably out of some misplaced(well intended?) guilt, and due to alleged persecution of Jews, throughout history.

    Give them their own piece of land, and all will be fine.

    Well, at least that was the theory... :(

    Now, Jews are not FORCED to go live there, it is not a ghetto, but I beleive that if you are Jewish, and want to go live there, you can. In fact, it is encouraged.

    On that basis, if the Jews were persecuted, and because of that, given their own bit of land to call home, I would argue that gay people have also been historically persecuted, and on that basis, is there an arguement for saying that they too should be afforded a place to live in peace, without fear of homophobic attacks, etc?

    Again, they would not be forced to live there, they can go if they CHOOSE.

    I also understand that people other than Jews live in Israel, thus it would be the same, you don't NEED to be gay to live in Gayrael :) , you can go if you are straight, bi, or whatever.

    Would you support this idea?

    *DISCLAIMER - I HAVE NOT YET DEVELOPED THE SKILL TO WITE POSTS THAT SUIT ALL TASTES, AND IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SO. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TELL ME WHY YOU THINK THIS WOULD BE A BAD OR GOOD IDEA, HOWEVER, IF ALL YOU WANT TO DO IS HIJACK THE POST TO RUBBISH IT, THEN I WOULD KINDLY ASK YOU NOT TO, AS I WANT DECENT DISCUSSION ON THIS*


    thanking you!


    Steve
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    new technologies.
    There is nothing glorious about what our ancestors call history,
    it is simply a succession of mistakes, intolerances and violations.

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    :D Too bad. Lickin my chops.
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    Re: Gay State

    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    :D Too bad. Lickin my chops.
    Is that an American term for man's genitals?

    You'd be in then....


    :D
    "Ethics" is simply a last-gasp attempt by deist conservatives and
    orthodox dogmatics to keep humanity in ignorance and obscurantism,
    through the well tried fermentation of fear, the fear of science and
    new technologies.
    There is nothing glorious about what our ancestors call history,
    it is simply a succession of mistakes, intolerances and violations.

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    Many, many many groups have been persecuted more than gays. They need to get way back in the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enlightenment
    Is that an American term for man's genitals?

    You'd be in then....


    :D
    You know why dogs do that right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    You know why dogs do that right?
    Because they can....?

    :)
    "Ethics" is simply a last-gasp attempt by deist conservatives and
    orthodox dogmatics to keep humanity in ignorance and obscurantism,
    through the well tried fermentation of fear, the fear of science and
    new technologies.
    There is nothing glorious about what our ancestors call history,
    it is simply a succession of mistakes, intolerances and violations.

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    Re: Gay State

    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    Many, many many groups have been persecuted more than gays. They need to get way back in the line.
    Examples..?
    "Ethics" is simply a last-gasp attempt by deist conservatives and
    orthodox dogmatics to keep humanity in ignorance and obscurantism,
    through the well tried fermentation of fear, the fear of science and
    new technologies.
    There is nothing glorious about what our ancestors call history,
    it is simply a succession of mistakes, intolerances and violations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enlightenment
    Examples..?
    Native americans. Austrailian aboriginies. South african blacks. Serbs. Just about every race , every religion, women. Now that I think of it, whose persecuting gays? Many don't like the lifestyle but many don't like the KKKs lifestyle or the amish. Yeah gays need to get in line if someone is handing out land.
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    Re: Gay State

    Quote Originally Posted by enlightenment
    The state (in both terms!) of Israel is often discussed on here.

    Leaving aside the usual stuff, the basic premise was that after WW2, the state was created probably out of some misplaced(well intended?) guilt, and due to alleged persecution of Jews, throughout history.

    Give them their own piece of land, and all will be fine.

    Well, at least that was the theory... :(

    Now, Jews are not FORCED to go live there, it is not a ghetto, but I beleive that if you are Jewish, and want to go live there, you can. In fact, it is encouraged.

    On that basis, if the Jews were persecuted, and because of that, given their own bit of land to call home, I would argue that gay people have also been historically persecuted, and on that basis, is there an arguement for saying that they too should be afforded a place to live in peace, without fear of homophobic attacks, etc?

    Again, they would not be forced to live there, they can go if they CHOOSE.

    I also understand that people other than Jews live in Israel, thus it would be the same, you don't NEED to be gay to live in Gayrael :) , you can go if you are straight, bi, or whatever.

    Would you support this idea?

    *DISCLAIMER - I HAVE NOT YET DEVELOPED THE SKILL TO WITE POSTS THAT SUIT ALL TASTES, AND IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SO. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TELL ME WHY YOU THINK THIS WOULD BE A BAD OR GOOD IDEA, HOWEVER, IF ALL YOU WANT TO DO IS HIJACK THE POST TO RUBBISH IT, THEN I WOULD KINDLY ASK YOU NOT TO, AS I WANT DECENT DISCUSSION ON THIS*


    thanking you!


    Steve
    Steve,

    I am guessing you live in Israel?

    I was in Israel in 98' for a College Religion Trip to the Holy Land. I could not understand why a country with the start of the three major religions is so violent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishyouknew
    Steve,

    I am guessing you live in Israel?

    I was in Israel in 98' for a College Religion Trip to the Holy Land. I could not understand why a country with the start of the three major religions is so violent?
    No!

    I don't live in Israel, and would have no desire to!

    But I agree with the part in bold, mind you.
    "Ethics" is simply a last-gasp attempt by deist conservatives and
    orthodox dogmatics to keep humanity in ignorance and obscurantism,
    through the well tried fermentation of fear, the fear of science and
    new technologies.
    There is nothing glorious about what our ancestors call history,
    it is simply a succession of mistakes, intolerances and violations.

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    Re: Gay State

    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    Native americans. Austrailian aboriginies. South african blacks. Serbs. Just about every race , every religion, women. Now that I think of it, whose persecuting gays? Many don't like the lifestyle but many don't like the KKKs lifestyle or the amish. Yeah gays need to get in line if someone is handing out land.
    Yeah, but the first four examples you give are native to their land, and were persecuted by those that took residence there.

    Btw, I don't think that gays should be given their own 'state', they should be accepted and integrate, but you illustrate the point well as to how absurd it is to have a Jewish state.
    "Ethics" is simply a last-gasp attempt by deist conservatives and
    orthodox dogmatics to keep humanity in ignorance and obscurantism,
    through the well tried fermentation of fear, the fear of science and
    new technologies.
    There is nothing glorious about what our ancestors call history,
    it is simply a succession of mistakes, intolerances and violations.

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    Re: Gay State

    Quote Originally Posted by enlightenment
    Yeah, but the first four examples you give are native to their land, and were persecuted by those that took residence there.

    Btw, I don't think that gays should be given their own 'state', they should be accepted and integrate, but you illustrate the point well as to how absurd it is to have a Jewish state.
    No more absurd than to have a brittish state or an american state. You got guns you get land. I didn't make the rules. No borders if I'm king of the world.
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    Re: Gay State

    Being Gay, is not a religioin or race. They are not born this way. It is a choice and a lifestyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishyouknew
    Being Gay, is not a religioin or race. They are not born this way. It is a choice and a lifestyle.
    Better get your head down.

    INCOMMING!!!
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    Re: Gay State

    Quote Originally Posted by Wishyouknew
    Being Gay, is not a religioin or race. They are not born this way. It is a choice and a lifestyle.





    Evidence?



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    "Ethics" is simply a last-gasp attempt by deist conservatives and
    orthodox dogmatics to keep humanity in ignorance and obscurantism,
    through the well tried fermentation of fear, the fear of science and
    new technologies.
    There is nothing glorious about what our ancestors call history,
    it is simply a succession of mistakes, intolerances and violations.

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    Re: Gay State

    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    No more absurd than to have a brittish state or an american state. You got guns you get land. I didn't make the rules. No borders if I'm king of the world.
    Actually, I agree with all of that.
    "Ethics" is simply a last-gasp attempt by deist conservatives and
    orthodox dogmatics to keep humanity in ignorance and obscurantism,
    through the well tried fermentation of fear, the fear of science and
    new technologies.
    There is nothing glorious about what our ancestors call history,
    it is simply a succession of mistakes, intolerances and violations.

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