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    High risk Wolf Creek Dam in KY

    This is sort of a political issue. This dam in KY has been leaking for some time.
    KY didnt want a drawdown because it would affect their tourism dollars.
    Now its deamed "high risk" for failure and a drawdown has begun. Public
    hearings were held last summer with a lot of wishy washy talk from the
    Corp of Engineers.
    Failure of this dam will cause catastophic flooding along the Cumberland
    River all the way to Nashville.
    There are more public hearings planned.
    But those of us in the path of possible destruction cannot view inundation
    maps on line becasue of "homeland security issues"! They say we should
    plan for evacuation but how? And why has this seepage been allowed to
    continue?? Money of course!
    Our lives and property has been put on the back burner in favor of maintaining
    lucrative recreational property on Lake Cumberland.
    If this thing goes it will make Katrina look like a cloudy day.
    Wonder if FEMA will be there for us? Or must we make out on our own?

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    Re: High risk Wolf Creek Dam in KY

    Quote Originally Posted by goodwitchofthesouth
    This is sort of a political issue. This dam in KY has been leaking for some time.
    KY didnt want a drawdown because it would affect their tourism dollars.
    Now its deamed "high risk" for failure and a drawdown has begun. Public
    hearings were held last summer with a lot of wishy washy talk from the
    Corp of Engineers.
    Failure of this dam will cause catastophic flooding along the Cumberland
    River all the way to Nashville.
    There are more public hearings planned.
    But those of us in the path of possible destruction cannot view inundation
    maps on line becasue of "homeland security issues"! They say we should
    plan for evacuation but how? And why has this seepage been allowed to
    continue?? Money of course!
    Our lives and property has been put on the back burner in favor of maintaining
    lucrative recreational property on Lake Cumberland.
    If this thing goes it will make Katrina look like a cloudy day.
    Wonder if FEMA will be there for us? Or must we make out on our own?
    Hi gw,

    As you know, I have extended family that lives in your neck of the woods. Were you aware of the condition of the dam before the new project began? I ask this, because my relatives say they were not, and only learned of the poor condition when the drawdown planning began. They had heard things - vaguely - but it never seemed to them that it was a serious situation...

    I can sort of understand the plans not being available online for all to see. That area could be a prime target for someone who might be looking for a place to cause catastrophic destruction... It makes sense that handing them the construction details could be considered a security risk, don't you think?

    There's no doubt that making money off of the property along Lake Cumberland has taken presidence over your safety. I wonder if those who have purchased and built on this land were made aware of the dam's condition at the time of purchase?

    You said you have been instructed to plan for evacuation.... has your Mayor or your Governor laid out the map for this evacuation? If I were in your position, I can't see me sitting around waiting for town meetings to take place. I would gather up as many neighbors as possible and be up Ernie Fletcher's a$$ - 24/7 - until he gave me answers, along with State Attorney General Stumbo, the Mayor, the local media, etc.. I wouldn't waste time on the Corp of Engineers - it's up to your local government to deal with those guys.

    But in the meantime, I would say it is your responsibility to make plans with your own family. The most important thing being a designated place where you will all meet in the coming days should you get seperated from each other. The second thing I would do is to send all important papers - insurance policies, etc. - along with some cash - to a trusted family member or friend who lives out of harms way.. where I, or another family member, would eventually get to it. I know you're upset about all of this, but you gotta lookout for yourself and your family... nobody else is going to.

    I will say this... if, God forbid, the dam gives way and the flood happens, my guess is that FEMA will be all over the place within a very, very short period of time. I think the aftermath of Katrina taught them a huge lesson - one that they are not likely to repeat anytime soon!

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    Re: High risk Wolf Creek Dam in KY

    More info on Wolf Creek

    Overview:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Creek_Dam

    Media Info:
    http://www.wkrn.com/nashville/news/w...risk/73044.htm

    USACE Nashville District Info:
    http://www.orn.usace.army.mil/

    Wolf Creek Specific:
    http://www.lrn.usace.army.mil/pao/issues/WOLcommo/

    Hopefully they'll be able to get this under control quickly.

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    Re: High risk Wolf Creek Dam in KY

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulM
    Hopefully they'll be able to get this under control quickly.
    Wow Paul... it slipped my mind that you're in that area, too!

    Would you be in the path of a flood if the dam breaks?

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    Re: High risk Wolf Creek Dam in KY

    Quote Originally Posted by Connecticut Victim
    Wow Paul... it slipped my mind that you're in that area, too!

    Would you be in the path of a flood if the dam breaks?
    No, I'm nowhere near. This is located in Western Kentucky... I'm in North/Central Kentucky.

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    That was a good one CV... Gov. Ernie do something????? He's a joke... your typical Kentucky politician, don't you know... we invented crooked politics *lol* He's gearing up for the next election.

    I think the only reason he showed up at our train derailment was for show. Melanie handled most of it. (Melanie's our County Judge Executive)

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    Re: High risk Wolf Creek Dam in KY

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulM
    No, I'm nowhere near. This is located in Western Kentucky... I'm in North/Central Kentucky.
    That's good....


    That was a good one CV... Gov. Ernie do something????? He's a joke... your typical Kentucky politician, don't you know... we invented crooked politics *lol* He's gearing up for the next election.
    Well then.. I would hope if the dam breaks, with no evacuation plan in place, at least you'll be rid of this loser! He wouldn't get re-elected, would he? Please tell me NO!! How's your AG at getting things done?

    You know what... Come to think of it, I believe gw is in Tennessee... so she should go to Bredesen and AG Cooper, shouldn't she... Somebody, SOMEWHERE ought to have an evacuation plan in place - wouldn't ya think?!! geez.......... :confused:

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    Re: High risk Wolf Creek Dam in KY

    Probably what communities down-river would do is follow their regular flood emergency plans. For example, Nashville would probably close their floodgates... that's it. Smaller communities along the river probably don't have anything like that in place & their plan would be to head to higher ground.

    Gov. Ernie is most likely going to run for re-election... we'll see how he fares.

    I'm not too keen on his opposition... former congresswoman Northup (she lost her seat this past election)

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    Re: High risk Wolf Creek Dam in KY

    Quote Originally Posted by Connecticut Victim
    Hi gw,

    As you know, I have extended family that lives in your neck of the woods. Were you aware of the condition of the dam before the new project began? I ask this, because my relatives say they were not, and only learned of the poor condition when the drawdown planning began. They had heard things - vaguely - but it never seemed to them that it was a serious situation...

    I can sort of understand the plans not being available online for all to see. That area could be a prime target for someone who might be looking for a place to cause catastrophic destruction... It makes sense that handing them the construction details could be considered a security risk, don't you think?

    There's no doubt that making money off of the property along Lake Cumberland has taken presidence over your safety. I wonder if those who have purchased and built on this land were made aware of the dam's condition at the time of purchase?

    You said you have been instructed to plan for evacuation.... has your Mayor or your Governor laid out the map for this evacuation? If I were in your position, I can't see me sitting around waiting for town meetings to take place. I would gather up as many neighbors as possible and be up Ernie Fletcher's a$$ - 24/7 - until he gave me answers, along with State Attorney General Stumbo, the Mayor, the local media, etc.. I wouldn't waste time on the Corp of Engineers - it's up to your local government to deal with those guys.

    But in the meantime, I would say it is your responsibility to make plans with your own family. The most important thing being a designated place where you will all meet in the coming days should you get seperated from each other. The second thing I would do is to send all important papers - insurance policies, etc. - along with some cash - to a trusted family member or friend who lives out of harms way.. where I, or another family member, would eventually get to it. I know you're upset about all of this, but you gotta lookout for yourself and your family... nobody else is going to.

    I will say this... if, God forbid, the dam gives way and the flood happens, my guess is that FEMA will be all over the place within a very, very short period of time. I think the aftermath of Katrina taught them a huge lesson - one that they are not likely to repeat anytime soon!

    Good morning CV,
    Apparently there has been seepage for a long time. They didnt get alarmed
    or so they say until this past summer then now figure it is at high risk!!!
    My neighbor to my left and I have talked and they came from Fla where
    they frequently had to prepare for hurricanes. We have an evolving plan
    to head for the hill/small mountain that my house is on the side of. It is
    very high. Neither one of us want to abandon our property because of
    our animals...their goats and dogs and my dogs and cats. We have a fishing
    boat that can be used to search out supplies if the water stayed up for long.
    They have camping supplies, tent etc. if the water gets this high and we
    lose our houses. That was a good point about important papers....I never
    thought of anything but the animals!!!!! I wont leave my animals and neither
    will my neighbors....well just go higher and hope the animals follow us.
    The high school last year had an evacuation plan in place to throw everyone
    on school buses and head for Cookeville.
    The inundation maps were available at the hearings that were held last
    summer but I was caught in a storm and could not get to the one held
    here. I fail to see how these maps could be a security issue since even
    I can see the potential damage downstream if the dam went. I doubt that
    anyone would have a bit of trouble accessing the physical sites as there
    is virtually no security that can be seen. Dale Hollow is a very deep lake
    and you can walk right up to it like it was a Mapco Express.....thats why
    Im so angry about the public not haveing access on line to the maps.
    My neighbor is worried to death, my daughter is having nightmares about
    it and I keep the radio on at night!!!! At first I was in denial now thats gone!
    I dont see how the dams downstream could hold all the water let along all
    the debris
    I just hope we are high enough to save my house and barn....we can work
    around the rest. At least in this part of the country people help each other.
    Anyones problem belongs to all and all help.....its not like in the city. People
    out here are very resourceful with most having roots going back to the
    settlement of this community.
    I dont feel that the corp is being forth coming and I resent it furiously!
    Im going to the Nashvile district office of the corp and demand to see
    the maps.
    However you are right....I need to put pressure on locally. This is a very
    rural county and sparsely populated. One of the county commissioners
    lives on my road and by "dam" Ill pay the mayor a visit for starters.
    Only the school has a plan and local authorities need to step up to the
    plate and take care of business!
    Thanks for suggestions. I was kind of floundering!!!!

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    Re: High risk Wolf Creek Dam in KY

    Quote Originally Posted by goodwitchofthesouth
    Good morning CV,
    Apparently there has been seepage for a long time. They didnt get alarmed
    or so they say until this past summer then now figure it is at high risk!!!
    My neighbor to my left and I have talked and they came from Fla where
    they frequently had to prepare for hurricanes. We have an evolving plan
    to head for the hill/small mountain that my house is on the side of. It is
    very high. Neither one of us want to abandon our property because of
    our animals...their goats and dogs and my dogs and cats. We have a fishing
    boat that can be used to search out supplies if the water stayed up for long.
    They have camping supplies, tent etc. if the water gets this high and we
    lose our houses. That was a good point about important papers....I never
    thought of anything but the animals!!!!! I wont leave my animals and neither
    will my neighbors....well just go higher and hope the animals follow us.
    The high school last year had an evacuation plan in place to throw everyone
    on school buses and head for Cookeville.
    The inundation maps were available at the hearings that were held last
    summer but I was caught in a storm and could not get to the one held
    here. I fail to see how these maps could be a security issue since even
    I can see the potential damage downstream if the dam went. I doubt that
    anyone would have a bit of trouble accessing the physical sites as there
    is virtually no security that can be seen. Dale Hollow is a very deep lake
    and you can walk right up to it like it was a Mapco Express.....thats why
    Im so angry about the public not haveing access on line to the maps.
    My neighbor is worried to death, my daughter is having nightmares about
    it and I keep the radio on at night!!!! At first I was in denial now thats gone!
    I dont see how the dams downstream could hold all the water let along all
    the debris
    I just hope we are high enough to save my house and barn....we can work
    around the rest. At least in this part of the country people help each other.
    Anyones problem belongs to all and all help.....its not like in the city. People
    out here are very resourceful with most having roots going back to the
    settlement of this community.
    I dont feel that the corp is being forth coming and I resent it furiously!
    Im going to the Nashvile district office of the corp and demand to see
    the maps.
    However you are right....I need to put pressure on locally. This is a very
    rural county and sparsely populated. One of the county commissioners
    lives on my road and by "dam" Ill pay the mayor a visit for starters.
    Only the school has a plan and local authorities need to step up to the
    plate and take care of business!
    Thanks for suggestions. I was kind of floundering!!!!
    Hi gw,

    It sounds as though you and your neighbors are working really well together to achieve the best outcome possible in the event that the dam does give out. My hats off to all of you. :)

    You're doing a great job of keeping your head clear... my heart breaks for your daughter, though - kids shouldn't have to live in fear of something like this. I would make sure the county commissioner and Mayor know what this is doing to her, along with those bozos in Nashville... :mad: They need to get their sh*t together and give you all a plan you can somewhat rely on if the worst case scenario happens... that's really not asking for too much, imo.

    Have you read the info that Paul gave the links for? If you haven't, I would highly recommend it - especially the last one... it offers a wealth of information.

    Please keep me posted on how you're doing and on any progress you make in getting the answers you're looking for - feel free to pm me. I will pass on to you any info I might receive from my family as well. I'm leaving tomorrow and will be away from here all this week. I'm going to see my kids and my Mom, who might actually be able to shed more light on some of this - as it is mostly her side of the family who lives around your area. I'll let you know.

    Meanwhile, I pray everyday that nothing happens, and for each member of my family there to be safe if it does. Please know that your family and community have been specifically added to my list. ;) :)

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    Re: High risk Wolf Creek Dam in KY

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulM
    Probably what communities down-river would do is follow their regular flood emergency plans. For example, Nashville would probably close their floodgates... that's it. Smaller communities along the river probably don't have anything like that in place & their plan would be to head to higher ground.

    Gov. Ernie is most likely going to run for re-election... we'll see how he fares.

    I'm not too keen on his opposition... former congresswoman Northup (she lost her seat this past election)
    I hate politicians... :rolleyes: :)

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