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    konigun Fact and Fantasy - Part Two

    “PART II:
    Hatsumi's claim is fallacious (dallas’ assumption) and here is another reason why:

    “There is a man who began training with a Bokken at age seven, and mastered nine different styles of martial arts before the age of twenty-three (or earlier). That's nine styles in sixteen years or less, giving an average of 1.7 years to "master" each (assuming that "mastering an art" denotes earning a black belt, minimum).

    (That would be practicing consecutively, instead of concurrently. dallas applies his own misunderstanding of Japanese culture once again.)

    “He then went on to receive a menkyo kaiden (license denoting mastery or black belt, and therefore the ability to teach) in six more styles in the next three years, an average of half a year per style. “

    (Again assuming consecutive instruction, not concurrent.)

    “His teacher then referred him to his teacher. For the next fifteen years, he went to his new teacher during weekends (some sources say once every three months, others state once a week). The train trip to see his teacher was fifteen hours, and according to sources,

    (Which sources would this be?)

    “he would leave Saturday evening to get there, and then return Sunday evening. Evening, in most circles, is defined as being between 6 pm and 8:59 pm. Therefore, if he left at 6pm

    (Again, dallas places his own assumptions here, and chooses an arbitrary number.)

    “and started his return 9 pm the next day, he would have twelve hours of training (because of the fifteen hour train ride) per meeting. Likewise, if he left at 9pm, and returned at 6pm the next day, he would only have six hours of training per meeting, assuming the man never ate or rested while he was there. If meeting only once every three months for fifteen years, there would be sixty meeting times total, for a total of 360 to 720 training hours during the fifteen years.

    (Even this minimal amount of training would be more than dallas has had in his entire lifetime.)
    Cayce Lancaster

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    konigun Fact and Fantasy - dallas attacks Hatsumi

    “If once a week (much better for Hatsumi), then the estimate is between 4680 to 9360 total training hours. By doing this, he earned his grandmastership [sic] in 9 different styles. He therefore had an average of 40 training hours (or 2.5 days when training sixteen hours a day) to 1040 training hours (or 65 days when training sixteen hours a day) per style in which he received soke. In all, he has at least "mastered" twenty-one different styles (note that some were repeated by his teacher's teacher, and therefore not included in this estimate)

    (So, he had more training in some arts than dallas is giving him credit for. dallas cannot begin to understand the dedication and sacrifice required to be a true martial artist.)

    “before the age of forty-one...riiiiiight. By the way, this man's name is Hatsumi.

    “Not satisfied? Let's compare another soke. Surely Takamatsu has had more training. We'll find out. I can't find a source that says when Takamatsu started martial arts, but I have found that Takamatsu was in school when he started (I've found where it stated his classmates would call him "cry baby").

    (This is significant to dallas, I suspect, due to his own inadequacy. Yes, Takamatsu Sensei was called ’crybaby’ when he was a child, before he learned martial arts. He was beating professional sumo wrestlers by the time he was 13. Care to guess the number and variety of things dallas has been, and still is, called?)

    “Students usually start primary school around age five. Also note that during the first year of his training, he was shown no techniques. So, giving him the benefit of the doubt, let's say he was six years old when he started training with Toda. By the age of thirteen, he had "mastered" (and therefore received his menkyo kaiden) in six different styles. Therefore, if he started at age six, he learned six different styles in seven years, an average of one style per 1.1 years (and at such a young age!).

    (Again, dallas shows his ignorance of Japanese culture and martial arts.)
    Cayce Lancaster

    “I was wrong. I'm not trying to justify what I did. I just wanted to make that statement." - bryce dallas of the konigun "ninjutsu" cult, 1992

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    konigun Fact and Fantasy - dallas' training time

    “He received a menkyo kaiden in the next style in four years (a much more believable time frame than we've seen so far between him and Hatsumi) between the ages of thirteen and seventeen. Starting at age seventeen, he studied three more styles with an instructor named Ish-i-tani. He also mastered up to eighteen different Chinese and Korean martial arts while he was away from Japan (he went to China two times in total, and returned before he was twenty-three).

    (Sources for this?)

    “Resources are very ambiguous about this time frame, but we know he studied with Ish-i-tani starting at age seventeen, and returned from China at age twenty-three. Therefore, he had six years to "master" twenty-one different styles, an average of 0.28 years (or 3.4 months) per style (such a fast learner!). However, also note that part of this time, he was living with his grandmother near Kobe (where he had a lung illness and Beri-beri), [sic] and later he had run away to Mt. Mata San (where he had a large tape worm), and therefore, was not training with a teacher during that time.

    (He was engaged in solo-training. Another concept dallas is unfamiliar with.)

    “So in all, he "mastered" twenty-eight different styles of martial arts, all before the ripe old age of twenty-three. Riiiiiiight.

    (Let’s use the example of dallas himself:
    When dallas began fabricating his konigun karate in the 1980s, he was training with Roger Williams, an Isshin ryu karate instructor, a Tae Kwon Do instructor, and Martin Howell, an independent eclectic martial artist. Using the same theory that dallas espouses, he is incapable of practicing with these three individuals in their respective arts concurrently. Since he began teaching his own konigun karate crap shortly after beginning training himself, he would have spent a very minimal time actually training before creating his own art. If we use an arbitrary period of two years for training, this would mean that dallas only spent eight months of total training time with each of these three instructors before fabricating konigun. If he spent a total of three hours of training in each of these arts for that eight month period, he would have spent a total of 96 hours training in each art. That’s 3 hours per week multiplied by 4 weeks per month for 8 months equals 96 total hours in training per art. This is barely enough time to obtain a yellow belt in any currently practiced art. Are we to believe that dallas was such an extraordinarily gifted martial artist that he mastered all three systems in just 2 years? Of course not. No, we are to believe that he is a ninjer master when, in all actuality, he has never studied ninjutsu, never been to Japan for training in ninjutsu, and never was or will be willing to put in the time to become an actual, respected martial artist.)
    Last edited by imarubber; 02-12-2008 at 05:13 AM. Reason: Problem with translation and icons
    Cayce Lancaster

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    Re: konigun fact and fantasy - footnotes

    “Footnotes:
    Hatsumi mastered the following nine styles before the age of twenty-three (1.7 years each style to master, maximum):
    Kendo
    Aidido [sic]
    Zen_Bei Butokukai Karate [sic]
    Okinawan Kobudo
    Jukendo (gun and bayonet fighting)
    Chinese Kempo
    western boxing
    Judo fourth dan
    Shinto Ryu Karate sixth dan
    Sixteen years divided by nine styles = 1.7 years per style (16/9 = 1.7)
    Hatsumi mastered the following six styles in three years (half a year each style to master):
    Asayama Ichiden Ryu
    Shinto Tenshin Ryu
    Bokuden Ryu
    Takagi Yoshin Ryu
    Kukishinden Ryu
    Gyokushin Ryu

    “Three years divided by six styles = half a year per style (3/6 = 0.5) From 6 pm Saturday until 9 pm Sunday is twenty-seven hours. That minus the fifteen hour train ride is twelve hours. (27-15 = 12) From 9 pm Saturday until 6 pm Sunday is twenty-one hours. That minus the fifteen hour train ride is six hours. (21-15 = 6) One meeting every three months, assuming twelve months in a year would give four meetings per year(12/3 = 4) for fifteen years, would be sixty meeting times (4x15 = 60)
    Multiply number of meeting times (from #7) by the number of hours each meeting (from #5, #6) to get a figure between 360 and 720 training hours (12x60 = 720) (6x60 = 360)
    Hatsumi grandmastered [sic] in the following nine styles in fifteen years on weekends (between three and eighty-six training days total to grandmaster each): That is less than 10 days training for each style!
    Togakure Ryu
    Gyokko Ryu
    Kukishin Ryu
    Shinden Fudo Ryu
    Gyokushin Ryu
    Koto Ryu
    Gikan Ryu
    Takagi Yoshin Ryu
    Kumogakure Ryu
    Takamatsu mastered the following six styles by the age of thirteen (1.1 years each to master, maximum):
    Shindenfudo Ryu
    Shinden Koto Ryu
    Gyokko Ryu
    Kumogakure Ryu
    Gyokushin Ryu
    Togakure Ryu
    Seven years divided by six styles = 1.1 years per style learned (7/6 = 1.1)
    Takamatsu mastered the following style in four years:
    Takagi Yoshin Ryu
    Takamatsu mastered the following twenty-one styles in six years or less (0.28 years (or 3.4 months) per style mastered, maximum):
    Kukishinden Ryu
    Hon Tai Takagi Yoshin Ryu
    Gikan Ryu
    up to eighteen different Chinese and Korean martial arts
    Six years divided by twenty-one styles is 0.28 years per style(6/21 = 0.28). Assuming 12 months in a style, he learned each style in 3.4 months each (0.28x12 = 3.36)

    (The depth and breadth of this brilliantly idiotic mind is staggering, is it not? Here’s the crux of the matter, dallas obviously has never heard of the word ‘concurrent’, or perhaps he is confusing the word with ‘consecutive’. That’s right, dallas, just as you studied with different instructors at the same time to construct your bogus partial art, so must have Takamatsu Sensei and Hatsumi Sensei. I, myself, have studied more than one art at once. I wonder, if all the konigun klowns came together at one of their gatherings, and somehow were able to hook all their brainpower up to a generator, would they be able to power a 15-watt light bulb?)
    Cayce Lancaster

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    Re: konigun fact and fantasy - bibliography

    “Bibliography:

    (Yahoo Geocities? Who uses yahoo’s geocities for their information resources? I would expect better from a Ph. D. Therein lies the truth of the matter - dallas does not have a legitimate Ph. D., instead he has a Phony Doctorate, which he purchased from a diploma mill. A true Ph. D., who had earned his degree by attending an accredited, real-world university, and has done the required work, would be much more able to put forth a legitimate argument.)

    geocities.com/bnyd/ij4.html
    "Takamatsu Toshi-tsugu 33rd Soke of Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu."

    (I used this link, but did not find any information on Takamatsu Sensei.)

    tacticalselfdefendse.com/Bujinkan/Hatsumi.htm
    "Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi, Soke."

    geocities.com/mrdsouza/Hatsumi.html?20068
    "Dr. Masaki Hatsumi."

    “Dr. Masaki Hatsumi
    Dr. Masaki Hatsumi was born as Yoshiaki Hatsumi on the 2nd of December, 1931. He has been involved in martial arts since his youth. As a seven years old boy he started training with his father's Bokken (wooden sword) which formed his first steps in his martial arts way. As he was growing up, he learned more and more about the warrior way, as martial arts became his love and passion. He trained basically every martial art he found."
    Cayce Lancaster

    “I was wrong. I'm not trying to justify what I did. I just wanted to make that statement." - bryce dallas of the konigun "ninjutsu" cult, 1992

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    Hatsumi's Training

    "He learned about

    (That’s “learned about”, not “mastered”.)

    “Judo, Kendo, Aikido, Karate (Shito ryu and Zen_Bei Butokukai style), Okinavan Kobudo, Jukendo (fighting with gun and bayonet), Chinese Kempo and even western boxing. He achieved a master degree in almost every one of them, in Judo even 4 Dan and in Shito ryu Karate 6 Dan. Those were really high grades for someone at his age in that time. During his school ages he also played soccer in school team, which improved his kicking abilities. As a recognized Judo teacher, he was invited to teach soldier's in American military base. He thought, that there are a lot of things he could learn there, but he soon recognized, that taller and stronger Americans needed to put less time and effort to master certain techniques than Japanese would have to. What took Japanese years to master, took Americans only a few months. That made young Hatsumi sad, and therefore he decided, that he will seek out an art, which will not depend on a person's structure and physical power. He spent a lot of money searching for the art, he was looking for.
    He trained with many teachers,

    (That’s “trained with”, not “mastered art under”.)

    “but he hadn't found, what he wanted to see. At last he met an old Kobudo teacher Ueno Takashi. Takashi taught him about old Budo arts, such as Asayama Ichiden ryu, Shinto Tenshin ryu, Bokuden ryu, Takagi Yoshin ryu, Kukishinden ryu and Gyokushin ryu and after three years of training with him, Takashi gave Hatsumi Menkyo Kaiden (license, which states that the bearer has mastered a certain martial art “and is allowed to teach it). Hatsumi was also the leader of Takashi's group in Noda for some time. The group included some of later recognized teachers. Ueno Takashi was a student of Toshi-tsugu Takamatsu. That was the link, which guided Hatsumi into contact with the only living Ninja warrior left on the world. Takamatsu Sensei took him for his student. Hatsumi ceased to train with Takashi , which caused, that Hatsumi was given Hamon, which meant, that Menkyo Kaiden was no longer valid. That is how Hatsumi in his twenties started to train with a man, who later became inspiration of his life. For fifteen year's Hatsumi traveled each weekend several hours by train to the city of Kashiwabara, south of Kyoto and Nara, to learn from the greatest martial art's master, he had ever known. Hatsumi says, that the training with Takamatsu was unbelievable, and that Takamatsu showed perfect technique despite his age. The old tradition was, that every warrior had his own Bugo (warrior name) and that is how Takamatsu Sensei started to call Hatsumi Byakuryu which stands for white dragon.
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    konigun ninjer myths

    “After Takamatsu died, Hatsumi added Oh to his name. He took that word from Takamtsu's name. That made him Byakuryuoh, honorable white dragon. Until today he changed his warrior name a few more times, and is today known by his Bugo Hisamune (eternal seeker). Among other things, he also changed his name from Yoshiaki into Masaaki. That is a usual thing among martial art masters. Right before he died, Takamatsu Sensei passed tradition, way of life and direct inheritance of nine warrior traditions, to Hatsumi.

    (I think this is what chafes dallas so much. Hatsumi had an actual living master, under whom he trained and was devoted to, who thought enough of him and his abilities to pass on not just one, but 9 different martial traditions. dallas, on the other hand, invented a fictitious master (using the non-Japanese name “saija”), fabricated a false ninjutsu tradition (using a non-Japanese word) by blending styles of karate, and lives his life based on these deceptions.)

    “Masaaki Hatsumi became: 34th. Soke of Togakure ryu Ninpo 28th. Soke of Gyokko ryu Koshijutsu 28th. Soke of Kukishinden ryu Happo Hiken 26th. Soke of Shinden Fudo ryu Dakentaijutsu 21st. Soke of Gyokushin ryu Ninpo 18th. Soke of Koto ryu Koppojutsu 17th. Soke of Takagi Yoshin ryu Jutaijutsu 15th. Soke of Gikan ryu Koppojutsu 14th. Soke of Kumogakure ryu Ninpo and the only true Ninja of our time. At that time Hatsumi didn't feel capable enough, to show himself as Soke (grandmaster, direct successor) in public. Therefore he remained isolated with his students from inquisitive eyes. Even his neighbors didn't know, that he was successor of so old traditions.
    *Material taken from Quest”

    ninjutsu.com/soke-Hatsumi.shtml
    "Soke Hatsumi."

    (Bottom line: If you think bryce dallas, a quarter-ton redneck from Mississippi, is a true ninja master then, you probably deserve to have him as your ‘teacher’.)
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    The Shaolin/Ninjer Con (nection)

    (I thought this was appropriate as a preface; )
    From: http://www.bestjudo.com/article13.shtml

    Please Post YOUR least favorite martial arts titles and why!!****Below is My Opinion Only!****

    "China's Ninja Connection" by Lin Kuei. Another white guy taking a Chinese pen name in an attempt to pass of his six months of training in "Chinese Kenpo" as mastery in ninjutsu (see Christopher Hunter, Ashida Kim). Badly written and downright embarrassingly SILLY. Who publishes this stuff? Oh, Paladin again.…”
    M.C. Busman

    Idiot: a person of subnormal intelligence

    Stupid: 8) lacking or marked by lack of intellectual acuity

    Fraud: 1) deceit, trickery, a deception deliberately perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage

    Legal: 1) any act, expression, omission, or concealment calculated to deceive another to his or her disadvantage; specifically : a misrepresentation or concealment with reference to some fact material to a transaction that is made with knowledge of its falsity or in reckless disregard of its truth or falsity and with the intent to deceive another and that is reasonably relied on by the other who is injured thereby

    Misrepresentation: an intentionally or sometimes negligently false representation made verbally, by conduct, or sometimes by nondisclosure or concealment and often for the purpose of deceiving, defrauding, or causing another to rely on it detrimentally

    Revisionist History: “In this idea, history as the world recognizes it is largely Euro-centric due to the European Imperial Colonization of nearly all the continents of the world in the 19th century. This is an indisputable fact, but it is also, unfortunately, biased in favor of the Europeans. Historians have noted this in recent times, and have begun to shift their focus towards those peoples, cultures, and ideals that were oppressed by the European culture to remove the Euro-centric bias from the textbooks of the world. While this is a noble cause, there have been those that take this a step further and begin to have a bias against the Europeans and their historical influence that directly led to our modern times. Having a bias towards, or in favor of any historical party is now considered Revisionist History, and by many accounts, is an unethical practice amongst Historians.

    “But having a bias is only one of the very basic definitions of Revisionist History. Revisionist History has an ambiguous definition and an even more ambiguous use in the confines of our modern society. The events of the past, it seems, has fallen sway to the personal preferences of those who interpret them. Revisionist Historians tend to have a goal-oriented reason for their research; other than the general informing of the public.”

    For a more detailed definition:
    http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1503493

    Examples of revisionist history:
    http://everything2.com/index.pl?node...nist%20History
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    The Shaolin/Ninjer Con (nection) - Part Two

    (The following attempt at revisionist history was posted on the konigun cult’s China-based website late in January 2008. It is filled with wild speculation, false assumptions and shaky comparisons between Chinese kung fu and Pseudoshi dallas’ fraudulent karate-based partial art created in the 1980s. It goes far beyond total idiocy. It was written by “monjin“ Trey Woodford, a yellow belt in the cult‘s rank system.)

    “Though Ninjutsu itself originated in Japan many of its techniques trace back to Ancient China. As many of the techniques were passed down in secret historical evidence is often sketchy (try finding records of classified US military operations in history books). It is painfully obvious that much of Ninjutsu, by the very virtue of its clandestine nature, would be shrouded in obscurity and lack of records/evidence.

    (It is this tradition of maintaining secrecy that makes ninjutsu the art of choice for frauds. They can always say - “Our art was passed down in secret for generations. That’s why you’ve never heard of it before.” Very convenient, and tailor-made for con men.)

    “There are many items, however, pointing to the link between Ninjutsu and China.

    “Konigun ninjutsu itself was adapted by Saija from his training by the Yamabushi priests some 800 years ago. It is fairly widely accepted that the Yamabushi derived many of their techniques from Chinese refugees subsequent to the fall of the T'sang [sic] Dynasty.

    (No evidence exists, of course, concerning the lineage of konigun ninjutsu or the saija family. konigun is not a Japanese word, nor is saija a Japanese family name. konigun “ninjutsu” can only trace its lineage back as far as its founder, bryce dallas.)
    Cayce Lancaster

    “I was wrong. I'm not trying to justify what I did. I just wanted to make that statement." - bryce dallas of the konigun "ninjutsu" cult, 1992

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    Re: konigun ninjer fraud

    Dude you have way way to much free time on your hands.

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    The Shaolin/Ninjer Con - Koto Ryu and Bushido

    “It has also been suggested that a Chinese warrior by the name of Chang Busho founded the Koto Ryu Koppojutsu clan of Ninjutsu. One need only look at his name to recognize the connection between him & Bushido, the code of the warrior that governs the conduct of all ninja.

    (A Brief History of Koto Ryu Koppojutsu: The exact origin of this school is unknown, but the teachings of this ryu originated in China and were brought to Japan through Korea by a Chinese warrior, Chan Busho. It became systematized into a ryuha in 1542 and was founded by Sakagami Taro Kunishige. A Soke of Gyokko Ryu, Sogyokkan Ritsushi, became Soke of Koto Ryu and since then, the schools have been passed down together. However they continued to be taught separately with the Densho (secret scripts) being given separately also. Note that Koto ryu is not a school of ninjutsu. It is a samurai ryu which is encompassed in the 9 schools of the Bujinkan.)

    (Again, bushido was not a code that the ninja lived by. It was not even a code that the samurai lived by until codified by Inazo Nitobe (September 1, 1862 - October 15, 1933) in his book Bushido: The Soul of Japan, first published in 1900. The samurai lived by the orders given them by their daimyo. Each daimyo ordered his samurai to do as he saw fit. There was no code of bushido until the 20th century. In fact, Nitobe thought he had invented the word.)
    Cayce Lancaster

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    Shaolin/Ninjer Fraud - Lin Kuei

    “Some scholars also cite the Lin Kuei (Forest Ghosts- sometimes spelled Lin Gui, Lin Quai, or Lin Kwai) as forerunners to the Ninja. These early shadow warriors were primarily assassins. While historical evidence of the Lin Kuei is vague, the connection is still probably a reasonable supposition.

    (Supposition: a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence (a guess) )

    (That’s right, folks. A beginner at the “art” of konigun, the student of a student of a fraud, has cited yet another fraud as a source to “prove” the legitimacy of his own attempt to commit fraud. It boggles the mind. Being a fraudulent art created by an American in the 1980s, no serious or legitimate scholar would cite them as an historical source.)
    Cayce Lancaster

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    Shaolin/Ninjer Con - Randall Brown

    (The following excerpts were taken from an e-mail sent to me by someone who trained with Randall Brown, creator of the Lin Kuei: )

    “One of the things about “Dr. Brown” is, he’s a Juko Kai guy..(his “Doctorate of Oriental Philosophy“, is from them. He also claims to be a Russian Sambo expert, to have traveled to Tibet and learned "Lung Gom" (Tibetan yoga-like training). He also claims to have traveled to Greece to study Pankration with 'toothless Greek warriors'. He also has a series of "native American' fighting arts on dvd ....it goes on. I have one of the Lin Guei books, and didn’t realize it at first, but some of the green and blue belt stuff I learned was pictured in the book. The weird thing is, the past couple of years, the dojo they teach out of, has been concentrating on kickboxing/mma stuff.”
    Cayce Lancaster

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    Shaolin/Ninjer Con - Snake Oil

    (These are some excerpts from the description for Randall Brown’s dvd on eBay: )

    “The Plains Indians (Apache, Comanche, Cherokee, Pawnee) held off the entire U.S. military... despite being outnumbered 100-to-1, despite lacking any technology advantages.

    “In fighting skills, the lowliest Comanche warrior could wipe out an entire troop of "civilized" soldiers all on his lonesome.... he excelled at hand-to-hand fighting. Especially...

    "Single move kill tactics...

    "Jaw-dropping vicious strikes that cripple instantly...
    And moves that make it IMPOSSIBLE for another man to "capture" you or hold you down.

    “The fact is... you can just WATCH these moves... and suddenly be more dangerous than you ever imagined. Instantly.

    “What's so special about these skills? Well, for starters...
    You will learn how to quickly "break down" an attacker twice your size and weight... turning him into a pile of bleeding beef at your feet in a matter of seconds.

    "You will learn how to escape from having your hands tied... reverse a knife-to-your-throat situation (very nasty and bloody)... how to flip monster-sized attackers as easily as tossing a box of cereal across the room (breaking his back, and pulverizing his guts in the process)... and a dozen more easy moves that will shock and incapacitate ANY sized attacker.

    "And... you will learn astonishing "instant take out" moves you have NEVER SEEN BEFORE. Not anywhere. Not by anyone.

    “But you WILL (simply by watching this video package) "own" the most vicious fighting tactics and skills. Very quickly. And... it's going to happen so FAST your head will spin.

    “Are you scared? Some guys are — they're afraid to even watch a video like this.”

    (Does that sound like a Snake Oil salesman to you? Why is it that all of these “Fear No Man“ hucksters all sound the same?)

    (Here is the link to read the full description: )
    http://cgi.ebay.com/RANDALL-BROWN-In...QQcmdZViewItem

    (And now a link to read about a TRUE master of Lin Kuei: )
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-Zer...rtal_Kombat%29
    Cayce Lancaster

    “I was wrong. I'm not trying to justify what I did. I just wanted to make that statement." - bryce dallas of the konigun "ninjutsu" cult, 1992

    http://konigunninjers.blogspot.com

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    Re: konigun ninjer fraud

    Do you think you could summerize a little? 92 of the last 93 posts over three pages were yours... Its great that you know how to cut and paste - but maybe someone would actually read this and it wouldn't get moved to the spam directory if you actually had a point.

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    Re: konigun ninjer fraud

    Hmmmm . . . 3,835 views. I think someone is reading it.
    Cayce Lancaster

    “I was wrong. I'm not trying to justify what I did. I just wanted to make that statement." - bryce dallas of the konigun "ninjutsu" cult, 1992

    http://konigunninjers.blogspot.com

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