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    A Federation Of Nations

    The time has come to launch out into the unknown.

    I have lost confidence in existing governments, and long most passionately for some strong superior influence which will ensure future peace, safety and freedom.

    Do you think under the right circumstances a federation of nations is a positive thing for the good of humanity, the animals and the earth?

    I know there is alot of information that says that a NWO is a negative thing but I want to hear some benifits of a NWO instead of all the negatives..
    Maybe it is the birthright of mankind...
    When we are ready.
    So thrash out the possibilitys of a World Oganisation and federation.

    We will have to decide which are the national and which are the international issues of control.

    what experiences and success can we draw upon ?
    United Kingdom, of Switzerland, of The USSR or ofter various factors in the process of international fusion.

    But can a Feberation of nations rise that is accepted by the people ?

    can the elimination the sovereignty of states and heads of states be accepted by an interested public ?

    Should the position of the United Nations be strenghtend ?
    as the invaluable part which that body can play will only be possible under a protection of an amalgamtion of governing powers of all concered.

    As soon as nations have had the pluck to pluge into the federated system, various of its immediate results will become obvious.

    The differences of currenies between the countries will have to be equalised.

    Tariffs and customs will of course have to be abolished, and the frontiers of countrys will have lost a large part of their importance.

    Will national pride disappear ?

    Or will each country try to give there finest example of the ideal federtion nation, and make the best possible contribution to the new era of civilisation.

    People will begin to hope.

    Confidence in a future never before deemed possible and give everyone a growing zest for life.

    If this amalgamation of nations becomes strong enough will all fear of war with other nations be dismissed ?

    When gradually the fact that the menace of war is at last over and it seeps into the consciousness of the people, and life takes on a new colour altogether.

    the colossal sums hitherto spent on armaments be freed for other uses, as well as the labour emplyed in armament factories, together with all the personal and paraphernalia used in the customs, tarrifs and other obsolet concerns of the kind.



    And what would be left to do with these enormous assets exept firmly build up the New World Oganisation and enter into a term of thorough social reconstruction.

    Would this mean there would be more than enough money to rebuild every slum ? and make a pride of every town and hamlet when the phase of expenditure on scientic prowess take second place to human and moral renaissance.

    What else can happen with out restrictions?

    Food in abundance can flow in all directions.

    With a central world commitee so organised agricultural co-ordination that the grower of food, will be hence forward the least to be pitied mortal instead of, as now, perhaps the most.

    Now in view of the resources accumating in government coffers can people with revolutionart ideas about distributation of money gain a hearing ?
    And a country can try out a new system altogether.

    Maybe it will be found more convient to work this system without money.

    Would a generation brought without fear and dread of the future, and with an assurance of the necessities of life, show an amzing improvement in health, a growing zest of life of vitality and energy

    What would people do with this this vital personal energy ?

    Will they be capable to be spoon-fed with entertainment, with the spectcle of other people doing things.

    Or will they all want to be expressing themselves.

    How will this new psychological problems of this character be tackled by the by the governments ?

    People will clamour to learn and to know and to do. Their artist senses will come to life, arousing a love of nature, of handicraft, and of their own possiblities for beauty, in physique and in living.

    Will hopitals and asylums and jails be empty, as colleges, farms and model towns fill up ?

    What of coming inventions also doing their share to change living conditions ?

    When other countries see that with the system of subsidising the individual he become worth infinitely more to the state, which also halves its expenses in hospital treatment, and so forth, all haste will be made to copy the new example.

    Will it be found that increasing vitality produces many pioneer spirits anxious to emigrate and to found a new model communities. So there will be a tremendous shifting of populations into some of the now almost barren commonwealth.



    Will the improvement in conditions send up the birth rateto staggering porportions ?

    On the contrary, a quiet other situation will arise.
    To begin with, the fact that for the first time peoples creative and artistic are being thoughly aroused and given full scope and appreciation will tend to make them lead naturally far more continent lives.

    Sexual satisfaction will no longer be one of the few comforts of the poor, nor the resource of the unfilfilled lives of the rich. There will no longer be the need to breed plentifull for cannon fodder, nor for factory fodder !

    will the old-time capitalist employer exist under the new system ?
    NO WAY !

    Further more , parents will not desire large familys in the hope of being supported by them when they arrive at earning age.
    People will be taught and encouraged to have children only for love of them and pride in their upbringing.
    Subsidised children will do away with much of parentel possessiveness and tyranny, and many one-time 'inhibitions' will cease to trouble them.
    Last edited by Whispering wind; 01-06-2007 at 09:27 AM.

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    Whispering wind Guest

    Re: A Federation Of Nations

    so far we have not touched on many other future subjects.
    The Utopia we have visioned will come about to a degree we have stated through international government changes alone
    -purely through the creding of sovereign state authority.
    It will be the result of the first major effort at integration,the casting down of the primitive elemental barriers of national rivalry, self-seeking and brigandage.

    It goes without saying that such changes cannot come about except under the influence of the highest ideals,
    The most spiritual confidence, and the most pratical of mentalities.
    They must be the result of true religion and true education.
    They will work, not in a vicious circle, but as a 'virtuous circle',
    the one achievement opening naturally out into another.

    We must realise also that this Utopia will be won only at the cost of superhuman effort, first among few, and lastly amoung the people as a whole, when they have been taught to understand the goal in view.
    There will be, of course, many difficulties along the way, many passages of despair, many deadlocks, and even retrogressions. But the visionhas already has already been seen and grsped by earnest minds in many lands.
    It will call irresistibly, and men will know no rest untill they have brought it to fruition.

    All those who say that it cannot be, that it must not be , and who fear, dread or deny the possibility of such, are merely people still chained to a third-dimensional vibrationand all its thought accessories.

    Those to whom the vision appeals, who have faith in goodness, and in inevitability, are those who are already drawn into a forth-dimensional vibration of living and have given it their full allegiance.

    Those who, while agreeing that such a Utopia would be marvellouse, yet declare that human nature will not change , and that it is merely a dream, are existing with a foot in either dimension, and will be a very nerve-racked people.

    Finally there are those who not only believe in the coming Utopian state, but are energetically planning its detail..
    These happy forerunners have already touched with their courageous minds the vibration of the fifth dimension of living, and are humanitys greatest benefactors.

    They will soon be busy with much novel work.
    National and Internation Psychology will constitute one of the new sciences.
    The development of the ideal of Federation will cause the conception of a "family of nations " to grow, until each nation takes on in peoples minds the aspect of one member of a family and comes to be regarded as an individual.
    The psychologising of the individual person will be devoloped to a most interesting degree.
    The same technique being applied to the nation as an individual.

    The especial vocation of each human being will become a growning study, involving an understanding of this particular potential contribution to society, together with the especial virtuewhich in his case makes it possible, and its complementary vice.

    In the same way will come to be recognised which is the aprticular part any nation is to play, and which should be her unique contribution to the whole human family of nations.
    Her especial virtue will be acknowledged and she will be put on guard against its complemenary vice.
    In this way each nation, with it unique gift to offer to community, will acquire its own importance and individuality and appreciation and aid the entire world - to a far greater degree than any autocratic state has ever been able to command.


    In such a way the lesson will gradually be learned that it is only by elinating those barriers which were especially erected to preserve individuality, impotance, possessionand power, that these attributes can really be attained.
    It is only when an individual clings to nothing , that he can gain every thing.
    'He who loses his life shall gain it'

    An entity, whether a person or a nation, gains so much power, vitality, and interest , the moment fears, inhibitions and restrictions are cast away, that his presence become a necessity to those around him.
    He need never fear for his place in the sun.
    He has become a sunhimself, because he has thrown off all which impeded his natural radiations, and all will delight in his rays.

    People have become blind to these grand simple truths during the long reign of seperatism.
    The manifold lessons which fourth - dimensional activities are bringing home to them will soon accustom them to think in of radiation, and the conceptions of life will inevitably change.

    Students of national psychology will make it clear that nothing can ever destroy a nation, even a very small one. We see such nations still survive after being invaded, annihilated, crushed under a foreign heel, and lost to sight for hundreds of years.
    They are liable to rise from their ashes at any time, and show their language , customs, and characteristics have miraculously survived it all.

    Therefor those who fear that Federation and the fusion between states will cause them to disintergrate and degenerate might first study history.
    They might even study a small country like England, which began life in the usual way as a conglomeration of little warring states, but has been closely weilded as a nation for over a thousand years.
    yet her differnet countries, having existed all the while without the slighest barrier between them, with populance free to move from one place to the next as they will, have still preserved their customs, accents ect...

    The amalgamation of the nations which is to come will take place in some respects spectacularly, but also in subtle gradual ways, so that many of the most important modifications pass with hardly any notice.
    At times disturbance , friction and conflict will appear to out way the progress which is being made.
    But the pioneers will never quite despair.
    Their inspiaration will be fed by the secret drive of evolution forces beneath the surface, and in spite of its self , long suffering humanity will at last become aware that in truth a better civilisation has been born that they had ever dreamed of.

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    A worldwide federation of nations. Great Idea. If we are voting, cast mine for the US sits at the head of the table. Who the hell else?
    The terminally stupid and certifiably insane.

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    Top post WW, I would gointo this more, but must go back to bed, I have not been sleeping well.
    "Ethics" is simply a last-gasp attempt by deist conservatives and
    orthodox dogmatics to keep humanity in ignorance and obscurantism,
    through the well tried fermentation of fear, the fear of science and
    new technologies.
    There is nothing glorious about what our ancestors call history,
    it is simply a succession of mistakes, intolerances and violations.

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    Re: A Federation Of Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    A worldwide federation of nations. Great Idea. If we are voting, cast mine for the US sits at the head of the table. Who the hell else?
    Head of table ?
    The table will probably round like the one from camelot.

    I dont think todays politicans, bankers, royals or the family will be invited. ever !

    they have no use,
    but no their use is in keeping the machine rolling, and giving us good fellows an opposition for which we provide the alternative. that is their use...
    Last edited by Fizban "The Fabulous"; 01-08-2007 at 09:06 AM.

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    Re: A Federation Of Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Whispering wind

    The Utopia we have visioned will come about by the casting down of the primitive elemental barriers of national rivalry, All those who fear the possibility of such, are merely people still chained to a third-dimensional vibrationand all its thought accessories.
    Those to whom the vision appeals, who have faith in goodness, and in inevitability, are those who are already drawn into a forth-dimensional vibration of living and have given it their full allegiance.
    Finally there are those who not only believe in the coming Utopian state,
    These happy forerunners have already touched with their courageous minds the vibration of the fifth dimension of living, and are humanitys greatest benefactors.
    People have become blind to these grand simple truths during the long reign of seperatism.
    We see such nations still survive after being invaded, annihilated, crushed under a foreign heel, and lost to sight for hundreds of years.
    But the pioneers will never quite despair.
    Their inspiaration will be fed by the secret drive of evolution forces beneath the surface, and in spite of its self , long suffering humanity will at last become aware that in truth a better civilisation has been born that they had ever dreamed of.
    Dont go with all this third/fourth/fifth dimensional tosh. Dont think we have ever been separate. Just not able to acknowledge fully, till now, the fact we are one species. An easy indicator is the ability to breed.

    And Territorial/cultural divisions should be relegated to the sports playing field. Like some curiousity from the past, much like holy books.

    Yes, this is one planet and we are one species, despite different cultural trappings. And if we are to survive we need to acknowledge this, stop warring amongst ourselves, rid ourselves of poverty and face the challenge of the future. A future in which our descendants may be able to explore the universe.
    But from here to there, a small step surely but from this side of the divide it looks too big a leap.
    So maybe its back to the drawing board and maybe some descendants of other living creatures(your pet dog perhaps) will be capable of the leap. Maybe, maybe, we still have a few years to summon up the courage.... maybe.
    Last edited by pancho; 01-08-2007 at 09:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizban "The Fabulous"
    I dont think todays politicans, bankers, royals or the family will be invited. ever !

    they have no use,
    but no their use is in keeping the machine rolling, and giving us good fellows an opposition for which we provide the alternative. that is their use...
    They are merely usurpers and the keepers of knowledge.(but they are not intelligent)

    Btw, great post, and I agree with your vision, more than I have time to explain at the moment.


    Steve
    "Ethics" is simply a last-gasp attempt by deist conservatives and
    orthodox dogmatics to keep humanity in ignorance and obscurantism,
    through the well tried fermentation of fear, the fear of science and
    new technologies.
    There is nothing glorious about what our ancestors call history,
    it is simply a succession of mistakes, intolerances and violations.

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    Re: A Federation Of Nations

    How long do you think it will be until a Utopia like this is reality ?

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    human nature will NEVER allow it to happen!?the fallen human nature that is birthed everyday!?how many a minute!?nothing has or ever will change!?there has always existed the utopia style of living amoungst the deprivation!?the silly idea that it will ever include ALL men is a cruel but necessary joke!?and in fact technology will make it possible for evil to flourish like never before!?it's already begun!?once the possibilty to prolong lifespans is perfected the real fascist style annililation will commense!?it's already begun!?just the anticipation is enough to trigger it!?the rumors of man made immortality!?pick me!?pick me!?i'll do anything you say!?i love alternative endings!?hehe!!.....just askn....
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    Re: A Federation Of Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx
    human nature will NEVER allow it to happen!?the fallen human nature that is birthed everyday!?how many a minute!?nothing has or ever will change!?there has always existed the utopia style of living amoungst the deprivation!?the silly idea that it will ever include ALL men is a cruel but necessary joke!?and in fact technology will make it possible for evil to flourish like never before!?it's already begun!?once the possibilty to prolong lifespans is perfected the real fascist style annililation will commense!?it's already begun!?just the anticipation is enough to trigger it!?the rumors of man made immortality!?pick me!?pick me!?i'll do anything you say!?i love alternative endings!?hehe!!.....just askn....
    nice,
    very original and sci-fi lexx. :D
    We must bear in mind that we are not simply considering the trend of evolution, which is a slow process. We are contemplating a great change over into a new way of living (together - no more seperation)Yes it is the beginning and an ending..
    a beginning of a new chapter in human history, and the closing of the old chapter which has lasted several thousand years.

    When people say 'Human nature cannot change' they are referring to this great passing epoch wherein the same major influence has ruled all the time.

    They are unaware that this is only one distinctive chapter in human development which is about to close.



    Human nature will never allow it to happen ?
    Can human nature change ? :) :D :D

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    Re: A Federation Of Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx
    human nature will NEVER allow it to happen!?the fallen human nature that is birthed everyday!?how many a minute!?nothing has or ever will change!?there has always existed the utopia style of living amoungst the deprivation!?the silly idea that it will ever include ALL men is a cruel but necessary joke!?and in fact technology will make it possible for evil to flourish like never before!?it's already begun!?once the possibilty to prolong lifespans is perfected the real fascist style annililation will commense!?it's already begun!?just the anticipation is enough to trigger it!?the rumors of man made immortality!?pick me!?pick me!?i'll do anything you say!?i love alternative endings!?hehe!!.....just askn....
    nice,
    very original and sci-fi lexx. :D


    Human nature will never allow it to happen ?
    Can human nature change ?
    We must bear in mind that we are not simply considering the trend of evolution, which is a slow process. We are contemplating a great change over into a new way of living (together - no more seperation)Yes it is the beginning and an ending..
    a beginning of a new chapter in human history, and the closing of the old chapter which has lasted several thousand years.

    When people say 'Human nature cannot change' they are referring to this great passing epoch wherein the same major influence has ruled all the time.

    They are unaware that this is only one distinctive chapter in human development which is about to close.
    Last edited by Fizban "The Fabulous"; 07-02-2007 at 03:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizban "The Fabulous"
    nice,
    very original and sci-fi lexx. :D


    Human nature will never allow it to happen ?
    Can human nature change ?
    We must bear in mind that we are not simply considering the trend of evolution, which is a slow process. We are contemplating a great change over into a new way of living (together - no more seperation)Yes it is the beginning and an ending..
    a beginning of a new chapter in human history, and the closing of the old chapter which has lasted several thousand years.

    When people say 'Human nature cannot change' they are referring to this great passing epoch wherein the same major influence has ruled all the time.

    They are unaware that this is only one distinctive chapter in human development which is about to close.
    forces are at work that most are unaware of!?darkest before the dawn!?in order for such a change to take place it would require a momentum to build and accelerate!?and ALL could not be privy to the unfolding events in a prepared and willing state of mind!?and these doubts can be played upon to advantage!?to pre-vent the necessary commitments to insure the changeover!?it's like a new car dealer comes to town and offers a great new car at a high price!?but of course it looks worth it!?so the old dealer merely lowers his price on the older cars and people just decide since they know the old better than the new and the price is now hard to resist they default and stay with the old!?what could possibly change this FACT of human nature while maintaining the idea of free will!?hehe!!.....just askn...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx
    forces are at work that most are unaware of!?darkest before the dawn!?in order for such a change to take place it would require a momentum to build and accelerate!?and ALL could not be privy to the unfolding events in a prepared and willing state of mind!?and these doubts can be played upon to advantage!?to pre-vent the necessary commitments to insure the changeover!?it's like a new car dealer comes to town and offers a great new car at a high price!?but of course it looks worth it!?so the old dealer merely lowers his price on the older cars and people just decide since they know the old better than the new and the price is now hard to resist they default and stay with the old!?what could possibly change this FACT of human nature while maintaining the idea of free will!?hehe!!.....just askn...
    Thats similar to how the media will use the same news men for decades so the view will build up a trust for the what ever dogma they wish to sell( mouthpieces for the government).
    But its aways wraped up in a logical cozy reasobable way that no one can disagree with.
    But is really just a bunch of bs that the people dont need and you never do see the alternative as it is looked upon as scarry and alien.

    So people think they have free will but it traps them as they cannot see outside the quantum created by the mass programing of opinion.
    in a little box with the lid closed.

    what could possibly change this FACT of human nature while maintaining the idea of free will!?hehe!!.....just askn...
    sex and marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx
    forces are at work that most are unaware of!?darkest before the dawn!?in order for such a change to take place it would require a momentum to build and accelerate!?and ALL could not be privy to the unfolding events in a prepared and willing state of mind!?and these doubts can be played upon to advantage!?to pre-vent the necessary commitments to insure the changeover!?it's like a new car dealer comes to town and offers a great new car at a high price!?but of course it looks worth it!?so the old dealer merely lowers his price on the older cars and people just decide since they know the old better than the new and the price is now hard to resist they default and stay with the old!?what could possibly change this FACT of human nature while maintaining the idea of free will!?hehe!!.....just askn...
    the higher dimensions or frequency must always rule and over power the lower one, and this is a law which we must always bear in mind through meditation. It will lead us to a vision of the future. It will allow us to realise that mind can always rule matter, and that will rule them all.

    A man can think and be as he wills, in all essentials. But real will must be used. We must remember,also, that it is the will which directs the mind, and its pattern-forming work, and that this is often done without the cognisance of the relatively low frequency brain.
    The internet is the last light of truth and hope...it is truly of the people, by the people and for the people. We must not let it be subverted for any purpose other than the truth. And that truth shall spread to every man woman and child across the globe. No longer will those in power carry the sole means to decide for us, yet we now shall have the power to decide to tune them out.

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    Schopenhauer did not believe that people had individual wills but were rather simply part of a vast and single will that pervades the universe
    The internet is the last light of truth and hope...it is truly of the people, by the people and for the people. We must not let it be subverted for any purpose other than the truth. And that truth shall spread to every man woman and child across the globe. No longer will those in power carry the sole means to decide for us, yet we now shall have the power to decide to tune them out.

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