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    Whispering wind Guest

    In case you weren't paying attention...

    So now the feds can open your mail thanks to another signing statement from the Bush Administration.


    And of course your IP may be decide to keep track of where you go on the internet and turn it over to the feds., just in case your a child pornographer.

    Feds take aim at Internet records
    Privacy groups worry about government’s monitoring of citizens

    By John Reinan
    The Star Tribune (Minneapolis)
    MINNEAPOLIS — The federal government wants your Internet provider to keep track of every Web site you visit.
    For more than a year, the U.S. Justice Department has been in discussions with Internet companies and privacy rights advocates, trying to come up with a plan that would make it easier for investigators to check records of Web traffic.
    The idea is to help law enforcement track down child pornographers. But some see it as another step toward total surveillance of citizens, joining warrant*less wiretapping, secret scrutiny of library records and unfettered access to e-mail as another power that could be abused.
    “I don’t think it’s realistic to think that we would create this enormous honey pot of information and then say to the FBI, ‘You can only use it for this narrow purpose,’ ” said Leslie Harris, executive director of the Center for Democracy & Technology, a Washington, D.C.-based group that promotes free speech and privacy in com*munication.
    “We have an environment in which we’re collecting more and more information on the personal lives of Americans, and our laws are completely inadequate to protect us.”
    So far, no concrete proposal has emerged, but U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has made it clear he’d like to see quick action.
    In September testimony before a Senate committee, Gonzales painted a graphic and disturbing picture of child pornography on the Web, which he called an urgent threat to children. The production and consumption of child pornogra*phy has exploded as the Inter*net makes it easier to exchange images, Gonzales said.
    But federal agents and pros*ecutors are hampered in their investigations because Internet companies don’t routinely keep records of their traffic, he told the committee.
    Gonzales also pushed for Internet records tracking in an April speech at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
    “Privacy rights must always be accommodated and pro*tected as we conduct our inves*tigations,” he said. “(But) the investigation and prosecution of child predators depends criti*cally on the availability of evi*dence that is often in the hands of Internet service providers.
    “This evidence will be avail*able for us to use only if the providers retain the records for a reasonable amount of time,” he said. “Unfortunately, the failure of some Internet service providers to keep records has hampered our ability to conduct investigations in this area.”
    Internet service providers typically keep records of Web traffic only for short periods, usually 30 to 90 days, as a way to trace technical glitches. Many ISPs, along with privacy advo*cates, say it’s already easy for government agents to get the information they need to inves*tigate crimes. The FBI, without a court order, can send a letter to any Internet provider ordering it to maintain records for an inves*tigation, said Kevin Bankston, an attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a San Francisco-based group that pro*motes free speech and privacy on the Web.
    “There’s been no showing that mass surveillance of all Internet users, mandated by the government, is necessary for law enforcement,” Bankston said. “If this passes, there would be a chilling effect on free speech if everyone knew that everything they did on the Internet could be tracked back to them.”
    The government has offered differing rationales for its data*retention plan, said Harris, the privacy advocate.
    “I’ve been in discussions at the Department of Justice where someone would say, ‘We want this for child protection.
    And someone else would say, ‘National security,’ and some*one else would say, ‘Computer crimes,’ ” Harris said. “We’re operating in the wild, wild West here.”
    There are questions about what records would be kept, said David McClure, president of the U.S. Internet Industry Association, a Virginia-based group that represents about 800 small and medium-sized ISPs.
    Is it a log of every Web site a user visits? Is it the actual con*tent of e-mails and other Inter*net communications? Nobody in the government has offered specifics, McClure said.
    “When we go to them for specifics, they start shuffling and hemming and hawing, and the issue goes away until the attorney general gives another speech,” he said.
    “This is all being driven by a political need, not a law enforcement need.”
    Kathleen Blomquist, a Department of Justice spokes*woman, would not comment on specific proposals for Internet records tracking.
    “Because Attorney General Gonzales considers the protec*tion of America’s children to be a top priority of the Department of Justice, we are continuing to closely study the issue,” she said.

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    Re: In case you weren't paying attention...

    Remember. It's a news story. Once read that Katie Holmes was expecting an alien baby that was not Tom's.

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    Re: In case you weren't paying attention...

    Unfortunately, this is only part of the bigger plan to completely monitor each & every step of the "global villagers" (no pun intended)... The very serious implications of the next step - microchipping all US citizens as well as the larger part of the western world - are but a step away.

    The problem with the US is that it has been in the grip of the shadow gov't for way too long...and, by the looks of it (if you read any worldwide New Year's celebrations coverage), it is slowly but decidedly spreading its tentacles ever so sneakily all over the globe. This is the Russian, Chinese & Sicilian mafia multiplied 10-, 100-, a 1000-fold... The truly free thinking, liberal individual's worst nightmare "manifesting" right in front of our eyes...

    No matter how much people try to refute any "conspiracy theories" as absurd, the effects are already in place... The lie of the "Land of the Free & the Brave" however, is still being sold very effectively for all the crumbling economy that the US has left...

    (Trillion debt more like, and mounting with every minute that goes by, like a friggin time bomb ticking away silently in the corner, they can hold the world hostage, I've always thought that the huge debts were a way to hold the rest of the world hostage and perhaps have an economic atom bomb at their disposal.

    In a really F-uped way, it works. The entire world economy is now based on how much America borrows from it. )

    If worse comes to worse, the gov't can just print more money making the debts that it owes worthless.

    It's logical if you really don't care about the global repercussions, which the government doesn't seem to give a flip about, save for the Saudi overlords. There was some shenanigans that Bush Sr. was in just recently in borrowing a bunch of dollars and trading them in for Euros.The Swiss banks got wise and sold off all of their dollars before Sr. could pull the trigger on the transaction. I'll find the link to the website...

    It's a fairly credible source, one of Margaret Thatcher's investigators into economic affairs.

    But apparently the disaster for George Sr. happened on the same day this was video taped. (The loses were in the hundreds of trillions of dollars, more money than has ever been printed in the entire world)


    Bottom line is that he lost everything and destroyed any value the American currency has left.

    But then Daddy Bush & the Saudis have been economic bosom buddies since the mid 70s', so no real big surprises there... Yeah, Bush Sr. pulled an "Enron" on the US economy...

    Bottom line,
    If things dont change for the better soon,
    The US will never be free again economically.
    And the citizens will be slaves to a dark empire

    It's the Titanic moving slowly but assuredly towards its iceberg encounter... Those that have any wits about them, try to get out of the US while they still can.
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    “[The national bank is] dangerous to the liberty of the American people because it represented a fantastic centralization of economic and political power under private control.”

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    Re: In case you weren't paying attention...

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    “If the white man wants to live in peace with the Indian, he can live in peace. . . . Treat all men alike. Give them all the same law. Give them all an even chance to live and grow. All men were made by the same Great Spirit Chief. They are all brothers. The Earth is the mother of all people, and all people should have equal rights upon it . . . . Let me be a free man, free to travel, free to stop, free to work, free to trade . . . where I choose my own teachers, free to follow the religion of my fathers, free to think and talk and act for myself, and I will obey every law, or submit to the penalty.”

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    “A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.”

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    “All mass movements, as one might expect, slip with the greatest ease down an inclined plane represented by large numbers. Where the many are, there is security; what the many believe must of course be true; what the many want must be worth striving for, and necessary, and therefore good. In the clamor of the many lies the power to snatch wish-fulfillments by force . . . The infantile dream state of the mass man is so unrealistic that he never thinks to ask who is paying for this paradise. The balancing of accounts is left to a higher political or social authority, which welcomes the task, for its power is thereby increased; and the more power it has, the weaker and more helpless the individual becomes.”

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    Re: In case you weren't paying attention...

    More like baying at the moon. Didn't know that Bartlett's Qoutations was online.

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