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    Do yuo suffer this problem in ANY American sport?

    Or is it a British thing?

    *Warning - The Footage contains scenes of violence, and some bad language, but not too bad*


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66zKwgTJGDw



    I live in Edinburgh.

    Lovely city.

    Two football teams, Hearts and Hibs.

    Since the 80's, both have been afflicted by gangs, sometimes they affiliate to far right groups like Combat 18 and the BNP, and they are distinguished from the majority of fans by the fact that they wear no colours to support their side, and tend to gravitate toward very expsensive designer clothes.

    These groups are UK wide, and are generically known as soccer casuals, soccer firms.

    Here is some background.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casuals

    http://sport.scotsman.com/topics.cfm...&id=1804842006

    Is there anythinglike this in America, in any sport, between hooligan gangs attaching themsevles to any sport?
    "Ethics" is simply a last-gasp attempt by deist conservatives and
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    Re: Do yuo suffer this problem in ANY American sport?

    No, we don't have anything like that in the states.

    Ever seen Green Street Hooligans? It's about English football gangs. Great movie.

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    Re: Do yuo suffer this problem in ANY American sport?

    Quote Originally Posted by yossarian
    No, we don't have anything like that in the states.

    Ever seen Green Street Hooligans? It's about English football gangs. Great movie.
    Yeah.

    I have got that here.

    I didn't think it was that great, to be honest, and the idea of that lad from the US, the one that was in LOTR, coming here, having been chucked out of some posh American college, well that was just absurd!
    "Ethics" is simply a last-gasp attempt by deist conservatives and
    orthodox dogmatics to keep humanity in ignorance and obscurantism,
    through the well tried fermentation of fear, the fear of science and
    new technologies.
    There is nothing glorious about what our ancestors call history,
    it is simply a succession of mistakes, intolerances and violations.

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    Re: Do yuo suffer this problem in ANY American sport?

    Quote Originally Posted by enlightenment
    Yeah.

    I have got that here.

    I didn't think it was that great, to be honest, and the idea of that lad from the US, the one that was in LOTR, coming here, having been chucked out of some posh American college, well that was just absurd!
    Ah well, it worked for me. In all fairness, I didn't know much about firms before I saw the movie.

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    Re: Do yuo suffer this problem in ANY American sport?

    We have our share of sports fanatics but nothing like I've seen in the UK. There was a riot after the super bowl a few years back and I can't even remember which city. Most of our fan violence happens in isolated spots in the stands and I think that is spread pretty evenly anongst all the top sports. I was in Marsaisle (sp} sounds like Marsay, France during the world cup one year and a bunch of German soccer fans pretty much destroyed the whole town. The police declared what I think was close to martial law, cerfews and such, and everybody had to stay inside for a time. Fine with me, our hotel had a great pool. I just don't understand the fanatacism over soccer. They can't even get many to come to the games here much less care who wins or loses. I'm sure it's a great game for those that grew up with it but I'm quite bored trying to sit through a game. Too little scoring you see. Maybe it's the boredome that drives people to violence. But to each his own. I'm a baseball fanatic and many can't understand why so obviously one mans excitement puts another man to sleep. I must say though that when I do need a nap, I turn on my favorite NY Yankees when they play the Red Sox.

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    Re: Do yuo suffer this problem in ANY American sport?

    Mate, those that are part of the firms, sometimes they do not even go to the matches, nor could they tell you the team line up's were.

    They just latch onto football, as a means to promote gang violence.

    Perhaps gang violence just manifests in a different way, in the US..?
    "Ethics" is simply a last-gasp attempt by deist conservatives and
    orthodox dogmatics to keep humanity in ignorance and obscurantism,
    through the well tried fermentation of fear, the fear of science and
    new technologies.
    There is nothing glorious about what our ancestors call history,
    it is simply a succession of mistakes, intolerances and violations.

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    Re: Do yuo suffer this problem in ANY American sport?

    Quote Originally Posted by enlightenment
    Mate, those that are part of the firms, sometimes they do not even go to the matches, nor could they tell you the team line up's were.

    They just latch onto football, as a means to promote gang violence.

    Perhaps gang violence just manifests in a different way, in the US..?
    Indeed it does. We definately have more than our share of gangs and the violence they perpetrate. Good point. I never thought of sports as a breeding ground for gangs but I can see that all gangs look for something to latch onto and justify their existance instead of accepting that in reality they are simply brutal thugs doing what sociopaths do.+

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