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    Whispering wind Guest

    Consumas, A traditional Chrisumtion

    The Pagan religion Mithraism was absorbed into the Pauline version of Christianity. Mithraism worshipped the savior-god, Mithra (Dionysus, Bel Osiris, Krishna, Et al) and they celebrated his birthday on December 25th, the begining of their winter.

    Names like Mithra and Dionysus were simply changed to Jesus and so we have the Christian Christmas Day.
    Mithra was also beleived to have risen from the dead at easter and the pagans-turned -Christian-pagans welcomed that Festival into the Chritian belief systerm. According to Mithraists, Sunday was 'the Lord's Day' and Eucharist, the baptism of babies, the idea of the father, son, and holy ghost, the virgin mother given birth to the savior, the marriage sevice and so much more were taken from various streams of paganism and added to Christianity

    The idea of Jesus as 'the lamb of God' dying so our sins can be forgiven goes back to pagan animal sacrifices in which the lamb was said to take the place of humanity to quell the anger of the Gods

    Mithraism was now Myth-raism - better know as Christianity

    Lets look at how the system has manipulated Christmas.

    Christianity recycled a pagan mid-winter festival quite erroneously into the birthday of Jesus and the system has recycled that into an orgy of consuption.

    We speak of having a 'traditional Christmas', when most of the traditions have only been here since the start of the Industrial Revolution. What should be a lovely time of rest, enjoyment and a gathering together of family and freinds and freinds, has become a nightmere for millions. Children are bombarded with television advertisements for expensive toys, and their parents often borrow money they cannot affort because they don't want to disappointment them on Christmas Day. They either struggle through the next year paying of dept, or they spend Christmas feeling guilty for not providing what their children have been conditioned to want.

    This exploitation of emotions becomes more desperate and explicit every year becaurse the Christmas spending boom is now essential to the survival of many shops and factories.

    The difference between the 'haves' and 'have nots' comes down to the number of pieces of paper they possess. This mostly has nothing whatsoever to do with their abilities or their desire to contribute to the well-being of society.

    You can be a finacial 'winner' and earn lots of bits paper by making some plastic clap trap that is of no real use.

    But you can be a finacial 'loser' by dedicating your life to care for others.
    What you sell is what matters, not what you contribute to humanity

    The easiest way to make money is to create it out of nothing

    Values and desires become distorted by this and society becomes sick and more divided. Another implication of this annual expansion is that, as production becomes more mechinised, the investment neccessary to compete gets greater and the small fall by the wayside.

    Big becomes beautiful and life become ugly. The economic power gathers in fewer and fewer hands in line with the Elites plan and the major corporations and banks call the shots far more then elected politicians

    The need to produce and sell more every year means that the point quickly arrives when people can no longer increase production by themselves. You build machines which turn out more products with fewer people.

    As production needs constantly to increase, the machines have to get bigger and require fewer people. Unemployment grows. The way the system responds to this is in the only way it knows how; by fiddling the unemployment figures to hide how bad things really are; by starting wars; and by increasing the number of things that people want by manipulating the symbols of success so they all relate to possessions.

    You need to make people dissatisfied with whatever they have to seek happiness through the accumulation of material 'things'. This however means that your production must follow the money becaurse people can't buy.

    Therefor production is increasingly geared to the wants of the well-off minority, and away from the needs of the poor majority. This leads to some people having every possession they could ever desire, while others sleep in cardboard boxes in the street.

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    Re: Consumas, A traditional Chrisumtion

    Quote Originally Posted by Whispering wind
    The Pagan religion Mithraism was absorbed into the Pauline version of Christianity. Mithraism worshipped the savior-god, Mithra (Dionysus, Bel Osiris, Krishna, Et al) and they celebrated his birthday on December 25th, the begining of their winter.

    Names like Mithra and Dionysus were simply changed to Jesus and so we have the Christian Christmas Day.
    Mithra was also beleived to have risen from the dead at easter and the pagans-turned -Christian-pagans welcomed that Festival into the Chritian belief systerm. According to Mithraists, Sunday was 'the Lord's Day' and Eucharist, the baptism of babies, the idea of the father, son, and holy ghost, the virgin mother given birth to the savior, the marriage sevice and so much more were taken from various streams of paganism and added to Christianity

    The idea of Jesus as 'the lamb of God' dying so our sins can be forgiven goes back to pagan animal sacrifices in which the lamb was said to take the place of humanity to quell the anger of the Gods

    Mithraism was now Myth-raism - better know as Christianity

    Lets look at how the system has manipulated Christmas.

    Christianity recycled a pagan mid-winter festival quite erroneously into the birthday of Jesus and the system has recycled that into an orgy of consuption.

    We speak of having a 'traditional Christmas', when most of the traditions have only been here since the start of the Industrial Revolution. What should be a lovely time of rest, enjoyment and a gathering together of family and freinds and freinds, has become a nightmere for millions. Children are bombarded with television advertisements for expensive toys, and their parents often borrow money they cannot affort because they don't want to disappointment them on Christmas Day. They either struggle through the next year paying of dept, or they spend Christmas feeling guilty for not providing what their children have been conditioned to want.

    This exploitation of emotions becomes more desperate and explicit every year becaurse the Christmas spending boom is now essential to the survival of many shops and factories.

    The difference between the 'haves' and 'have nots' comes down to the number of pieces of paper they possess. This mostly has nothing whatsoever to do with their abilities or their desire to contribute to the well-being of society.

    You can be a finacial 'winner' and earn lots of bits paper by making some plastic clap trap that is of no real use.

    But you can be a finacial 'loser' by dedicating your life to care for others.
    What you sell is what matters, not what you contribute to humanity

    The easiest way to make money is to create it out of nothing

    Values and desires become distorted by this and society becomes sick and more divided. Another implication of this annual expansion is that, as production becomes more mechinised, the investment neccessary to compete gets greater and the small fall by the wayside.

    Big becomes beautiful and life become ugly. The economic power gathers in fewer and fewer hands in line with the Elites plan and the major corporations and banks call the shots far more then elected politicians

    The need to produce and sell more every year means that the point quickly arrives when people can no longer increase production by themselves. You build machines which turn out more products with fewer people.

    As production needs constantly to increase, the machines have to get bigger and require fewer people. Unemployment grows. The way the system responds to this is in the only way it knows how; by fiddling the unemployment figures to hide how bad things really are; by starting wars; and by increasing the number of things that people want by manipulating the symbols of success so they all relate to possessions.

    You need to make people dissatisfied with whatever they have to seek happiness through the accumulation of material 'things'. This however means that your production must follow the money becaurse people can't buy.

    Therefor production is increasingly geared to the wants of the well-off minority, and away from the needs of the poor majority. This leads to some people having every possession they could ever desire, while others sleep in cardboard boxes in the street.

    My take on materialism ... and God

    God warns of lust, gluttony and being selfish....
    These sins lead to even more sins....
    This world is of the devil.... God asks us to be in the world but not of the world... Material success has nothing to do "your overall
    success in life"
    Success is believing in Jesus are your saviour, growing in your
    spiritual maturity by helping others, use your spiritual gifts that are given and striving to sin less , and repent.

    Those that do not choose God and Jesus - live in darkness and
    and will eventually be judged for all the "bad" things they have done...

    "Christians are not perfect but they are forgiven..."

    BTL

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    Re: Consumas, A traditional Chrisumtion

    Quote Originally Posted by bethelight
    My take on materialism ... and God

    Success is believing in Jesus are your saviour, growing in your
    spiritual maturity by helping others, use your spiritual gifts that are given and striving to sin less , and repent.

    Those that do not choose God and Jesus - live in darkness and
    and will eventually be judged for all the "bad" things they have done...

    "Christians are not perfect but they are forgiven..."

    BTL
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    SPIRITUAL MATURITY BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    CHRISTIANS ARE FORGIVEN WWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    Last edited by pancho; 12-11-2006 at 07:47 AM. Reason: hahahahhahahaha

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    Re: Consumas, A traditional Chrisumtion

    anagram of santa

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    Re: Consumas, A traditional Chrisumtion

    Quote Originally Posted by bethelight
    My take on materialism ... and God



    Those that do not choose God and Jesus - live in darkness and
    and will eventually be judged for all the "bad" things they have done...



    BTL
    Thats what its alway been, us and them.

    How do you think Jesus would of thought of todys separative beleifs ?

    A World Religion will come, and will in time be considered the only sane, normal and natural condition.
    Men will look back upon the time when bloodshed, bigotry, irrationality and corruption sheltered safely under the wing of religion with incredulity.
    If federation of the nations can come about with out damage to a persons national patriotism and individuality, then a federation of religions can develop, also without destroying the personal approach to divinity,but rather, enhancing it.

    People considering themselves christians at once protest, with the usual separative partisanship which they beleive to be loyalty, that christianity is the faith and christ is the saviour, and nothing else should be considered.
    they forget that true Chrtianity has never yet been practised, and no one has therefore had the chance to appreciate its value or its beauty.
    If once a sufficiently large community were to live truly as Christians they might draw faith under the banner purely through the wonderful results of their so living.

    But until Christians are Christians they have really no right to talk about Christianity- it does not yet exist !
    Christ and his teachings exist exist, but Christianity as He desired it is yet to come.
    There have been glorious isolated cases of Christian lives ,
    but a truly Christian Goverment,law court and church has never been established - so how, then, could the people follow ?
    they have been muddled.


    We have to realise that we are living at a tremendous moment in history, when a great era which has lasted thousands of years is dying, and a mysterious new era is coming to birth. What a time to be alive ! We are caught and torn by both death throes and birth throes, in which vital forces are involved, that tear at our very heart-strings.

    The still greater and more wonderful era will produce an utterly new consciousness in humanity, so different as to be hardly understandable, the consciouysness of fusion with all things, so that little personal individuality seems no longer important or desirable, and man can truly say, 'I am all !'

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    Re: Consumas, A traditional Chrisumtion

    The matter that hangs in the balance is who is willing to dedicate theirself to the better and right path and maintains the course, regardless of what others do?
    It certainly cannot be by being caught up in the cicrumctance of looking to see if others are following your lead. Because this gets back to Ego and generates the state of Hubris - false pride.
    I have lived long now, don't know how much longer I wil continue in this life. I have looked at all the systems and see, for instance on this forum, people pedaling ideas and ultamatiums about what one should and shouldn't do, be in certain ways, on the other hand not being. I wonder the age of these individuals. Mostly young I think and filled with someone else's ideas and never learned nor were allowed to think for theirself - not criticism, just obseratgion. I wonder where they will be in 20 - 30 years with what fillls their head now? I think perhaps worn out from the stuck - track repitition of dogma - no substance to it left, as the monotony with no real life breatrhed into it leaves one feeling 'broken-down' and frightened, because the hollow words have failed to feed the soul, like continuing questioning and exploration in the life.
    It seems like the Buddhists possibly, of ALL humans might have the closet possibility to personal practice in what will yield a peaceful, insightful and rewarding life. Their belief and practice is based on sraight-forward and simple precepts, such as benevolence, kindness, compassion and non clinging to material objects. In this way, one becomes relieved of the state of suffering, which they deem Samsara and become enlightened.
    Any one knows that has lived this humahn life much, that it is good just to be relieved from the state of suffering. Suffering usually brought upon the individuals by theirself and their struggling to achieve levels and circumstances of being that are not really necessary to achieve true happiness and a state of well being.
    It is mostly the commercial, material driven world that instills the ideals into the heads of the masses that their way of life is the most desirable. In this way, those individuals that are veiled behind this sham use the masses to satisfy their own evil and misfounded practices of existence, at the suffering and misery of the masses.

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    Re: Consumas, A traditional Chrisumtion

    Quote Originally Posted by Whispering wind
    Thats what its alway been, us and them.

    How do you think Jesus would of thought of todys separative beleifs ?

    A World Religion will come, and will in time be considered the only sane, normal and natural condition.
    Men will look back upon the time when bloodshed, bigotry, irrationality and corruption sheltered safely under the wing of religion with incredulity.
    If federation of the nations can come about with out damage to a persons national patriotism and individuality, then a federation of religions can develop, also without destroying the personal approach to divinity,but rather, enhancing it.

    People considering themselves christians at once protest, with the usual separative partisanship which they beleive to be loyalty, that christianity is the faith and christ is the saviour, and nothing else should be considered.
    they forget that true Chrtianity has never yet been practised, and no one has therefore had the chance to appreciate its value or its beauty.
    If once a sufficiently large community were to live truly as Christians they might draw faith under the banner purely through the wonderful results of their so living.

    But until Christians are Christians they have really no right to talk about Christianity- it does not yet exist !
    Christ and his teachings exist exist, but Christianity as He desired it is yet to come.
    There have been glorious isolated cases of Christian lives ,
    but a truly Christian Goverment,law court and church has never been established - so how, then, could the people follow ?
    they have been muddled.


    We have to realise that we are living at a tremendous moment in history, when a great era which has lasted thousands of years is dying, and a mysterious new era is coming to birth. What a time to be alive ! We are caught and torn by both death throes and birth throes, in which vital forces are involved, that tear at our very heart-strings.

    The still greater and more wonderful era will produce an utterly new consciousness in humanity, so different as to be hardly understandable, the consciouysness of fusion with all things, so that little personal individuality seems no longer important or desirable, and man can truly say, 'I am all !'
    That is why Jesus came - He came to model what we should be like -- and to wash our sins away with His blood...

    Yes one day there will be a new world order..
    right now Satan and demons are among us. Making those that do not choose Jesus to be children of Satan...

    The new world ( heaven that is ) will be sinless, no crying, no pain, no illness and a spiritual body that is everlasting... Those that will receive paradise are the ones who have chosen JEsus as their Saviour. Heaven will be so different than this world -- but we do see
    glimpses of heaven now ... ie a sunset, the love between a mother and child, .....

    BTL

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    Re: Consumas, A traditional Chrisumtion

    Quote Originally Posted by bethelight
    That is why Jesus came - He came to model what we should be like -- and to wash our sins away with His blood...

    Yes one day there will be a new world order..
    right now Satan and demons are among us. Making those that do not choose Jesus to be children of Satan...

    The new world ( heaven that is ) will be sinless, no crying, no pain, no illness and a spiritual body that is everlasting... Those that will receive paradise are the ones who have chosen JEsus as their Saviour. Heaven will be so different than this world -- but we do see
    glimpses of heaven now ... ie a sunset, the love between a mother and child, .....

    BTL
    Amen Sister BTL

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    Wow there is a lot of absolutely false information here. There are myths presented about Mithras, things that people have actually made up to attempt to attack Christianity. It is discussed in detail at http://tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html

    -Dave

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    Re: Consumas, A traditional Chrisumtion

    Mithraism, the pagan initiatory religion that
    spread throughout the Roman Empire between
    the first century BCE and the fourth century
    CE, is considered part of the spiritual envi-
    ronment in which early Christianity developed.

    Certain Christian beliefs and practices are
    thought to have been modeled on Mithraic an-
    tecedents. Mithraism is also counted as one of
    the early expressions of the Western Esoteric
    Tradition.

    While little is known about Mithraic beliefs
    because of its secrecy, there has been consid-
    erable speculation, Some of it fanciful and
    proven wrong by later studies. The Ro-
    man Cult of Mithras seeks to give us a firm
    foundation on which to form our own evalua-
    tion of its cultural, religious and esoteric sig-
    nificance.

    Professor Manfred Clauss’ cautious
    and rigorous scholarship ensures
    success in meeting this need. Through meticu-
    lous sifting of the evidence he presents a pic-
    ture of Mithraism that is both exciting and in
    another sense disappointing.

    Seekers who wanted to learn about a Roman
    esoteric tradition may be disappointed to learn
    that Mithraism served much the same role as
    does modern Freemasonry. Its membership—
    exclusively male—was drawn primarily from
    the military, political, and administrative mid-
    dle classes of Roman society.

    Members of
    these upwardly mobile social strata sought an
    environment that would further their secular
    ambitions as much as their spiritual needs.
    Mithraists even recognized one another by
    handshakes.

    However, it would be a mistake to view Mith-
    raism simply as a fraternal order or early Ro-
    tary Club. It also expressed an important spiri-
    tual tradition. Professor Clauss extracts from
    the archeological record a surprisingly detailed
    account of the cult’s sacred myths, temples,
    rituals, and priestly grades.

    Against a backdrop of pagan polytheism, Mith
    raists worshipped a single god Sol Invicta
    Mithras, “Invincible Sun(god) Mithras.”

    Mithras was born from a rock, already carryin
    a torch, reminding us that he was a god of
    light, and a dagger. The dagger would be used
    later to slay a bull, sacrificed to symbolize the
    release of life from its physical form to seek
    higher expression. At the end of his earthly
    life, Mithras shared a “last supper” with his
    disciples and then rode to heaven in a fiery
    chariot.

    Initiates into Mithraism went through an elabo
    rate death-and-rebirth ceremony that involved
    prayer and chanting. At Sunday services,
    members participated in a sacred meal of con-
    secrated bread and wine for which the temple
    was lit by candles and perfumed by incense.

    Upon receiving answers to prayer, members
    dedicated icons to their god or to the priests.
    Mithraism was Christianity’s main competitor
    for the hearts and minds of citizens of the Ro-
    man Empire.

    When Christianity became the
    state religion, under Constantine, all pagan
    cults were persecuted, and Mithraic temples
    were gleefully destroyed by Christian mobs.
    -------------------------------------------
    The Roman Cult of Mithras, by Manfred
    Clauss.
    (Transl: Richard Gordon). New
    York: Routledge, 2000; 198 pages,

    insights into Mithraic religion with new depth
    and sensitivity. This book is a must for all se-
    rious students of the ancient mysteries.

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