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    Universal thought

    The universe is composed of all visible and invisible matter and energy. It is approximated that the universe began 13.7 billion years ago, but like much of what we know about the vast expanse of space, we are not certain. While the universe is believed to be flat, it remains undecided whether or not it is infinite.

    One of the most important recent discoveries is that ours is an expanded universe. Supported by the findings of Hubble, the observations of redshift helped us to make this discovery. Redshift refers to the process whereby all visible light bends towards the red end of the spectrum.

    The origin of our universe is most popularly explained with the Big Bang theory. This idea states that everything around us was once condensed in a state of massive density and temperature. As space expands, so does our universe. Over the course of billions of years, the planets and galaxies we know of and the ones we don’t have been slowly moving outward.

    While the expansion of our universe is widely accepted, the future of it is not. Respected scientists argue for both extremes. The universe may continue to expand forever, or it may eventually slow down enough to collapse.

    Of course some will argue that some god created it all.

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    Re: Universal thought

    Quote Originally Posted by bogie

    ...Of course some will argue that some god created it all.
    ... which is not so far fetched as it seems... considering the two are incompatible.

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    Interesting that four score of people looked at this thread and only one could figure out how to comment. Are such concepts that difficult to grasp for people of faith? I guess without the hubble telescope finding evidence of god there just isn't much evidence for the other case.

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    I think they are as evidenced by the size of the "Creation vs Evolution" thread. It seems people can't comprehend the fact that the purpose of science is NOT to prove or disprove God' existence... which cannot be done anyway. Nor is it's purpose to 'do away with God'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulM
    I think they are as evidenced by the size of the "Creation vs Evolution" thread. It seems people can't comprehend the fact that the purpose of science is NOT to prove or disprove God' existence... which cannot be done anyway. Nor is it's purpose to 'do away with God'...
    Very astute and it was a similar thought that got me to post this thread. I see folks argueing over chapter this and verse that and wondered if a scientific view might pull their noses out of the bible for a few minutes. But alas, once saved there seems to be no saving them.

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    Re: Universal thought

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulM
    ... which is not so far fetched as it seems... considering the two are incompatible.
    Are science and religion incompatible or are they two extremes of the same thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti_thesisofreason
    Are science and religion incompatible or are they two extremes of the same thing?
    Ok... I'll bite :) ... and the "same thing" would be??

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulM
    Ok... I'll bite :) ... and the "same thing" would be??

    I'll bite too. Same thing?

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    Trying to push back the boundaries of the unknowable? (blech, sounds like something from Star Trek).

    You might make that case if you were looking at the esoteric/mystical traditions in most religions. Maybe even in the mainstream--but I'm not so sure on that one. Science has had a few 'sacred cows' throughout the centuries as well, 'scientism' being probably the most pernicious. Cos we just don't know--only some folks can't accept that uncertainty factor.

    Why is it impossible that there's a deity who started the whole thing in motion? It doesn't seem incompatible to me. Did I miss that day at school?

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    dont hate star trek!?i find it extremely revealing of the intricate/simple questions about life that are proposed and queried over!?WORD!?.......hehe!!...just askin....

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    Lexx, just shoot the TV and get it over with. Quick and painless :D

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    Re: Universal thought

    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    The universe is composed of all visible and invisible matter and energy. It is approximated that the universe began 13.7 billion years ago, but like much of what we know about the vast expanse of space, we are not certain. While the universe is believed to be flat, it remains undecided whether or not it is infinite.

    One of the most important recent discoveries is that ours is an expanded universe. Supported by the findings of Hubble, the observations of redshift helped us to make this discovery. Redshift refers to the process whereby all visible light bends towards the red end of the spectrum.

    The origin of our universe is most popularly explained with the Big Bang theory. This idea states that everything around us was once condensed in a state of massive density and temperature. As space expands, so does our universe. Over the course of billions of years, the planets and galaxies we know of and the ones we don’t have been slowly moving outward.

    While the expansion of our universe is widely accepted, the future of it is not. Respected scientists argue for both extremes. The universe may continue to expand forever, or it may eventually slow down enough to collapse.

    Of course some will argue that some god created it all.
    hate to rain on your parade but there is no such thing as invisible energy and matter!?(i said so!?)hehe!!but there may be something that is invisible!?now i can take it another step and say it is an INNER visiblity that is required!?or a special direction or plane of mind=visibilty that is required!?get cher head outa that black hole,willya!?(wisecrack!?the whip for fools!?like me!?)hehe!!.....just askin....

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    Re: Universal thought

    Bump, just getting real threads up to the top so we don't have to dig for them.

    ;)

    LM

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    Re: Universal thought

    Quote Originally Posted by ComplexKid
    Trying to push back the boundaries of the unknowable? (blech, sounds like something from Star Trek).

    You might make that case if you were looking at the esoteric/mystical traditions in most religions. Maybe even in the mainstream--but I'm not so sure on that one. Science has had a few 'sacred cows' throughout the centuries as well, 'scientism' being probably the most pernicious. Cos we just don't know--only some folks can't accept that uncertainty factor.

    Why is it impossible that there's a deity who started the whole thing in motion? It doesn't seem incompatible to me. Did I miss that day at school?
    Hi CK,
    I did not claim (I don't think anyone else has either) having a deity behind creation was impossible... I mere stated that science and religion are not compatible... science cannot prove the existence of God... it never could nor does it attempt to. In similar manner religion cannot be tested in a lab and produce predictable results... it must be accepted on faith. It is quite possible to believe in both without a conflict... religion explains the spiritual and science explains the physical.

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    Re: Universal thought

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx
    hate to rain on your parade but there is no such thing as invisible energy and matter!?(i said so!?)hehe!!but there may be something that is invisible!?now i can take it another step and say it is an INNER visiblity that is required!?or a special direction or plane of mind=visibilty that is required!?get cher head outa that black hole,willya!?(wisecrack!?the whip for fools!?like me!?)hehe!!.....just askin....
    Nobody can rain on my parade. Only I can do that. It could be I suppose that electrical energy is visible and that I have just missed it so I'll take another look at that. Same with several forms of gaseous matter. I made the comments about what many of us have observed and contemplated about the universe to suggest to all of the people of faith here that some degee of thought and a great amount of searching, Hubble for instance, is ongoing. Trying to make the argument that we haven't figured it all out yet but haven't given up by just chalking it up to some diety started it all. Which of course is a possibility but not one we're paying much attention to because of a severe lack of evidence.

    Wise cracks such as,"get cher head outa that black hole, willya", are why this unpleasant playground bickering that is way too prevelent on this forum get's started. I enjoy exchanging thoughtful ideas and consepts with anybody who is willing to engage without trying to make their point with superfolous personal stabs that contribute nothing. Attack my position without trying to figure out where my head is at. I've never even seen a black hole. They're invisible.

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    Re: Universal thought

    There are those of us who believe in some sort of Creator who are far from having it all figured out, too, Bogie.

    I still don't see how science and belief in the divine are incompatible. Science isn't going to disprove a deity (it can't), and religion isn't going to disprove science (it can't).

    And Maimonides said that those who search for how creation works (and he was talking about scientists) were as close to holy as those who pray all day. Probably a great deal holier. He was a physician himself, and a Torah scholar as well--and amazingly advanced on the science bit for someone living in the 12th century. Pretty sharp on theology, too.

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