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    Big Brother To Decide If You Drive

    Big Brother To Decide If You Drive


    245 million Americans to be forced to undergo "guilty until proven innocent" breathalyzer tests just to start their cars if plan proceeds

    Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
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    Monday, November 20, 2006

    Just when you thought the Orwellian Big Brother society couldn't possibly accelerate further, it gets even worse. A move is afoot to force 245 million drivers in America to have alcohol breathalyzers fitted in their vehicles, ignition interlocks that prevent the vehicle from being started by an inebriant.

    "The threat of arrest and punishment, for decades the primary tactic against drunken drivers, is no longer working in the struggle to reduce the death toll, officials say, and they are proposing turning to technology — alcohol detection devices in every vehicle — to address the problem," reports the New York Times.

    In addition, Mothers Against Drunk Drivers today began a campaign to make all states pass legislation that mandates these devices be placed in all cars of drunk drivers, even if they are just a first time offender.

    Mandatory breathalyzers in all vehicles is just one item in a veritable surveillance package that all drivers will be forced to accept if they wish to use America's roads and highways.

    - GPS tracking and taxation black boxes are being pushed to coincide with the construction of the NAFTA Superhighway, where all vehicles will be forced to use toll roads and will have their every movement catalogued by spy satellites in alliance with a massive centralized database.

    - US citizens will be forced to adopt a de-facto national identification card and have their freedom of mobility defined by behavioral fealty to the government under proposals set to derive from NAFTA superhighway toll road systems and the implementation of the American Union.

    - Biometric eye scanners that can detect tiredness and deny mobility if the system judges the driver to be fatigued are being proposed for individual vehicle use after being utilized by police in Australia.

    - Proposals are in play to install surveillance cameras in all cars, especially in areas where legislation has been passed that bans the individual from smoking in their own car if a child is also present.

    - In March 2004, Toyota launched its concept car of the future - a literal behavior modification surveillance center on wheels - festooned with Big Brother technology - that will record every nuance and error the driver exhibits, and will limit its performance based on those factors, including refusing to turn itself on. Industry publications and other motor industry giants have also touted surveillance infested vehicles as the model for all future development.

    The installation of mandatory breathalyzers in all vehicles by law is a death knell for freedom of mobility and directly violates the 4th amendment, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."



    The following points also illustrate why the move is a dangerous and harebrained idea.

    - Though billed as a "non-profit organization," Mothers Against Drunk Driving is a front group for the auto industry and has been caught in the past stealing money it raises through telemarketing. The American Institute of Philanthropy has given MADD poor grades for its high bureaucratic and fundraising costs.

    - MADD advocates warrantless random roadblocks and checkpoints to supposedly find drunk drivers, violating the U.S. constitution and instilling fear into people for simply having a glass of wine with their meal.

    - Apologists for the program cite seatbelts as an example of a security measure that was beneficial, yet don't understand the slippery slide to fascism that inevitably comes as a result of restricting mobility.

    - Drunks kill around 40,000 people a year and yet prescription drugs kill over 200,000. Medical malpractice kills over 300,000 - but the media hasn't brainwashed Americans to be fearful or upset about the bigger dangers and so they don't care. The hyped specter of drunk driving deaths manipulates whining do-gooders to call for their own enslavement, anything to save a few lives.

    - In the majority of areas in the south-west, around half of DWI's involve illegal aliens, but nobody is prepared to face up to that problem. A study by the Highway Safety Research Center at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill found Hispanic drivers involved in crashes were three times more likely to be drunk than white or black drivers.

    As Paul McNamara of Network World points out, the potential ramifications for fitting every car with such a device are ominous.

    "There is, of course, the straightforward civil libertarian question: Why should those who have never been convicted of drunken driving be compelled to prove they are innocent before being allowed to operate their own cars? This baby seems to have been tossed with the bathwater long ago in a country where drug testing has become routine, but you can expect the die-hards to be heard anew."

    "How far down the technology slope are we sliding? Certainly, any such standard automobile equipment could include a record-keeping component. Will attempted drunken driving become a crime? There could be no denying the deterrent effect of such a new law. Three rejected start attempts and you lose your license? Five and the ignition is permanently disabled? Certainly the advocates will make the case than an ounce of prevention beats even one more highway fatality."

    "What about networking? Will the data be wirelessly transmitted to your local police department? Why not? It would clearly help law enforcement target and keep tabs on the recidivists. And the cops will need to know when to pull your license for that third strike."

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...bigbrother.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phinnly Slash Buster
    A move is afoot to force 245 million drivers in America to have alcohol breathalyzers fitted in their vehicles, ignition interlocks that prevent the vehicle from being started by an inebriant.
    I have to say - I don't have a problem with this. People who drink and drive have absolutely no consideration for you, or me, or anyone else on the road. I think they should be required to have this device installed in their car.

    Taking their drivers license away, throwing them in jail - blah, blah, blah, DOES NOT WORK. They get out of jail, and drive anyway - especially if they are alcoholics.

    I hope they have improved these breathalyzers, though. I know someone who had this thing in their car, and all they had to do was to get someone who HAD NOT been drinking to blow into it for them, the car started and off they went - driving sh!t faced in tons of traffic... :rolleyes:

    The other stuff in this new vehicle design package is over the top - as usual. But I think the breathalyzer alone is a good thing.

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    BTW - I think the seat belt law is bs. I can see it for kids safety, and even for passengers who are riding with me.

    But as the DRIVER, if I want to take the chance of putting MY head through the windshield of MY own vehicle, that's MY business. I wouldn't be hurting anyone but myself - so they need to take a hike on this one.

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    Just when you thought the Orwellian Big Brother society couldn't possibly accelerate further, it gets even worse. A move is afoot to force 245 million drivers in America to have alcohol breathalyzers fitted in their vehicles, ignition interlocks that prevent the vehicle from being started by an inebriant.
    Phukin A right Alkycanadian

    What the hell's your's problem, ever lose someone close to you because of a drunk driver?



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    WOW... CV... just think of the black-market opportunities this will help set-up!!! It boggles the mind. Ok... the breath-alyzer thing is a good idea and it can be a passive device... simply a sensor in the steering wheel. As well, just have it installed in drunk driver's vehicle. The other items are pretty over the top and I personally don't see any future in the anti-smoking type surveillance devices... there is NOTHING installed in ANY vehicle that cannot be bypassed... WOW! what a money-making scheme... and people WILL pay too... gladly :) GPS... unless the service is going to be given away It's impractical for keeping tabs on everybody (especially if you know how to read a map)... unless the vehicle is outfitted with a covert sending device only... then you just have a record of the vehicle's whereabouts... not WHO is in the vehicle. And again... that's A LOT for any govt to keep track of

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulM
    WOW... CV... just think of the black-market opportunities this will help set-up!!! It boggles the mind.
    I hear ya. There's always a DOWN SIDE to everything, isn't there?


    Ok... the breath-alyzer thing is a good idea and it can be a passive device... simply a sensor in the steering wheel. As well, just have it installed in drunk driver's vehicle.
    So this sensor would shut the vehicle off if the driving becomes irratic? That would work.


    The other items are pretty over the top and I personally don't see any future in the anti-smoking type surveillance devices... there is NOTHING installed in ANY vehicle that cannot be bypassed... WOW! what a money-making scheme... and people WILL pay too... gladly :) GPS... unless the service is going to be given away It's impractical for keeping tabs on everybody (especially if you know how to read a map)... unless the vehicle is outfitted with a covert sending device only... then you just have a record of the vehicle's whereabouts... not WHO is in the vehicle. And again... that's A LOT for any govt to keep track of
    Yea, the rest is just crazy. But as you say, some people love "gadgets"!

    Have you seen that new Lexus that parallel parks itself? lol

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    Yeah! That is amazing. You can bet it's gonna cause a stir at the DMV with kids using "Daddy's car" to take their road test *lol*

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    Would the penny in the mouth work?...lol:rolleyes:

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    This will not fly...the cost of these systems are prohibitive. The current systems used to control the habitual drunks, that prevents the car from starting, is actually charged back to the user as part of the courts punishment. Of course, the REAL habitual drunk driver/likely killers are not concerned with all of that paperwork...they are not allowed to drive, anyway.

    We should also be careful about including manufacturer installed info-gathering systems, basically live-action 'cookies', with "government plots to control us". This Toyota system is designed to help them sell you your next twenty cars. And one thing that we should have learned by now...Toyota is the pound-for-pound 'Most Successful Company of our Age'.


    Here is a fascinating collection of factual data from that article which COULD give some perspective to those who compare Iraq with Vietnam...don't get mad! They are just numbers!

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    Drunks kill around 40,000 people a year and yet prescription drugs kill over 200,000. Medical malpractice kills over 300,000 - but the media hasn't brainwashed Americans to be fearful or upset about the bigger dangers and so they don't care. The hyped specter of drunk driving deaths manipulates whining do-gooders to call for their own enslavement, anything to save a few lives.
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    And the attempt to liberate an entire country from dictator to democracy has cost less than 3,000....in FOUR YEARS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    This will not fly...the cost of these systems are prohibitive. The current systems used to control the habitual drunks, that prevents the car from starting, is actually charged back to the user as part of the courts punishment. Of course, the REAL habitual drunk driver/likely killers are not concerned with all of that paperwork...they are not allowed to drive, anyway.

    We should also be careful about including manufacturer installed info-gathering systems, basically live-action 'cookies', with "government plots to control us". This Toyota system is designed to help them sell you your next twenty cars. And one thing that we should have learned by now...Toyota is the pound-for-pound 'Most Successful Company of our Age'.
    Wow.. I would have thought you would be ALL for this. You support everything else this government does to "protect Americans"..


    Here is a fascinating collection of factual data from that article which COULD give some perspective to those who compare Iraq with Vietnam...don't get mad! They are just numbers!

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Drunks kill around 40,000 people a year
    and yet prescription drugs kill over 200,000. Medical malpractice kills over 300,000 - but the media hasn't brainwashed Americans to be fearful or upset about the bigger dangers and so they don't care. The hyped specter of drunk driving deaths manipulates whining do-gooders to call for their own enslavement, anything to save a few lives.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    And the attempt to liberate an entire country from dictator to democracy has cost less than 3,000....in FOUR YEARS.
    Damn - can't you post on just ONE thread in this forum WITHOUT bringing the war into it?? :rolleyes:

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    Just when you thought the Orwellian Big Brother society couldn't possibly accelerate further, it gets even worse. A move is afoot to force 245 million drivers in America to have alcohol breathalyzers fitted in their vehicles, ignition interlocks that prevent the vehicle from being started by an inebriant.

    "The threat of arrest and punishment, for decades the primary tactic against drunken drivers, is no longer working in the struggle to reduce the death toll, officials say, and they are proposing turning to technology — alcohol detection devices in every vehicle — to address the problem," reports the New York Times.
    Even if they manage to pass the law, it doesn't have a chance in hell of holding up in the Supreme Court.


    In addition, Mothers Against Drunk Drivers today began a campaign to make all states pass legislation that mandates these devices be placed in all cars of drunk drivers, even if they are just a first time offender.
    That would mean the law proposed would be retroactive (all those who have ever been caught drinking and driving in the past would have to have a device installed.)

    This is highly unlikely -- bordering on impossible. Common law in the vast majority of districts all but completely prohibits ex post facto enforcement.

    Of course, with the Patriot Act in full force, who knows how far the government will go if left unchecked. Hopefully it will be repealed once Bush is out of office.

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    IMO, if someone gets three sheets in the wind they dont deserve the freedom
    to drive and endanger MY family or friends. To defend their right to drive
    drunk is unimaginable even for the sake of "freedom" and I welcome Big Bro
    to stop them. Where do their rights end and ours begin???????????? Is ther
    not a point where they dont have rights??? The right to drive drunk that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodwitchofthesouth
    IMO, if someone gets three sheets in the wind they dont deserve the freedom
    to drive and endanger MY family or friends. To defend their right to drive
    drunk is unimaginable even for the sake of "freedom" and I welcome Big Bro
    to stop them. Where do their rights end and ours begin???????????? Is ther
    not a point where they dont have rights??? The right to drive drunk that is.
    Ya know what's real interesting... driving IS NOT a right... it is a privilege granted by your home state... and it can revoked at any time and your state will not be in violation of any constitutionally protected rights. Therefore, any actions a state takes to restrict the activities of convicted drunk drivers is legitimate.
    Last edited by PaulM; 11-26-2006 at 07:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulM
    Ya know what's real interesting... driving IS NOT a right... it is a privilege granted by your home state... and it can revoked at any time and your state will not be in violation of any constitutionally protected rights. Therefore, any actions a state takes to restrict the activities of convicted drunk drivers is legitimate.
    Good point.

    But the problem is - drunk drivers STILL drive whether they have a licenses or not. They don't care. :rolleyes:

    While they continue to run loose and kill innocent people, we have thousands locked behind bars for getting caught with a little marijuana.

    Which ones are more dangerous in society? It makes no sense.

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    Oh I'm with ya there CV... If there is something that could make their car inoperable I'm all for it! Bring it on :)

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    You have the freedom to travel, but the operation of a motor vehicle is not a right. It is a privelige granted by the state. It can be revoked at their discretion.

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