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    Creationism Vs. The Dog ate my homework

    This was linked as part of a recient amazon discussion I was having and I found it to be such a great description of creationism and ID that I had to share.

    Regarding evidence vs. proof, I do think this is sufficiently (or at least repeatedly) misunderstood such that a more detailed example might serve.
    Your completed homework is missing. You think to yourself that there are several things that might have happened to remove your homework from the top of your bedroom desk. One is that the dog ate it. Another is that your brother stole it to make life difficult for you. Another is that God removed it from the universe as a test of your faith.
    Before any other thought is put into practice, these are hypotheses.

    Of the three hypotheses, the first two (Dog and Brother) can be considered theories, because presumably you could test those theories and find evidence for them. The third may be significantly harder to find evidence for.

    So you look around and see a very few tiny pieces of paper on the floor. These shreds, when inspected closely, look like the paper you used to do your homework, and the edges of the shreds bear what look like tooth marks.

    Your brother would probably have just swiped the whole sheet and thrown it out, but it’s not impossible that he used serrated scissors to destroy it. So the current understanding of the homework dilemma is that your dog probably ate it, but that there is some chance your brother swiped it. The God hypothesis is still possible, but looking somewhat less likely.
    Finally, you corner your brother and threaten him with a beating and he insists he didn’t do it. An inspection of the house’s garbage cans yields no homework, and the dog doesn’t eat as much for dinner as he usually does.

    You now have one very solid theory that the dog ate your homework, you have a minority theory that your brother swiped it (a few honest, and hard-working grad students at smaller colleges are working on tests that would bolster the brother theory and eliminate the dog, but most mainstream universities are heavily funded for additional research into dog-eating-paper studies).

    One think tank in the Pacific Northwest maintains that there’s nothing to glean from shredded bits of paper or the *lack* of paper in garbage cans, so God must have removed the paper from the Universe. Reports of the weakness of the law of conservation of paper would lead one to the definite conclusion that God is responsible.

    Finally, one field researcher finds a pile of feces in the backyard with tiny pieces of half-digested pieces of paper in it. Three years of labored study yield 30% of a formula that your teacher confirms was the answer to question #4 of the particular homework assignment in question.

    Scientific consensus reigns, the few remaining Brother Theorists relent and move on to pursue degrees on who peed on the carpet and the Nobel Prize for Biology is awarded to the field researcher for the publication of “Formulaic Reproduction of Holistic Homework Reconstruction in Canine Fecal Substrate.” The Theory of Dog-Eats-Homework appears as a “fact” in textbooks across the country, and is regularly referred to as such by scientists.

    The Discovery Institute announces the founding of the Journal of Alternate Homework Stealing where the Dog-Eats-Homework “theory” is regularly repudiated, papers are peer-reviewed which deny that paper partially decomposes in dogs’ stomachs, and the theory of Intelligent Homework Removal is developed.
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    Re: Creationism Vs. The Dog ate my homework

    Perfectly portrays Creationist.
    "Religion is a heavy suitcase: all you have to do is put it down."
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    Re: Creationism Vs. The Dog ate my homework

    Quote Originally Posted by Spector567
    This was linked as part of a recient amazon discussion I was having and I found it to be such a great description of creationism and ID that I had to share.


    Quote Originally Posted by LogicallyYours View Post
    Perfectly portrays Creationist.


    You know, fella's, with all the other problems that Christianity has....the errors, absurdities, contradictions, conflicts, etc that they have to wade through in order to maintain belief....I am amazed that anyone on their side of the fence even has TIME to argue about this......its one tiny little point of their faith that receives an amazing amount of time and energy when they've got WAYYY bigger fish to fry!!

    They've got a lot of work cut out to prove not only that evolution is incorrect, but The Christ isn't a racist bigot, and the bible isn't so full of holes that it sinks....boggles my mind!

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    Re: Creationism Vs. The Dog ate my homework

    You know, fella's, with all the other problems that Christianity has....the errors, absurdities, contradictions, conflicts, etc that they have to wade through in order to maintain belief....I am amazed that anyone on their side of the fence even has TIME to argue about this......its one tiny little point of their faith that receives an amazing amount of time and energy when they've got WAYYY bigger fish to fry!!
    Their "faith" is really only personal belief, since it's tenets of the "supernatural" are missing a basis in fact. A sort of desperation move you could call "grasping at straws."

    Bottom line for folks who grasp at straws, religious or otherwise, they must at least be able to rationalize the absurdities of these types of superstitious belief to themselves, in order to feed the false sense of personal security on their inside. (The "voice" of my experience, and other "Exs" I've spoken with.)

    Most never get past the personal "entertainment" stage, unless their sense of belief is severely shaken to it's foundations by an unbiased, conscious questioning of their mind's Gatekeeper.

    When you take into consideration that the greatest majority of humans haven't seriously dealt with the fact that there is no such thing as personal security, anywhere, at any time, its not hard to understand why they defer all of their uncontrollable problems of personal security to an unknowable, humanized "Father Deity."

    We could wipe out all war, disease, pestilence, poverty, hate, etc. tomorrow...and we can still be destroyed by an asteroid on the day after.

    The "faithful" would simply point out that the bible predicted this demise of the Earth in "Revelations."
    Most people can't think, most of the remainder won't think, the small fraction who do think mostly can't do it very well. The extremely tiny fraction who think regularly, accurately, creatively, and without self-delusion- in the long run these are the only people who count... Robert Heinlein

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    Re: Creationism Vs. The Dog ate my homework

    I agree with your post, Ghost.

    You've pretty aptly described cognitive dissonance.


    The "faithful" would simply point out that the bible predicted this demise of the Earth in "Revelations."
    They may "simple" point that out, but the know better.

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    Re: Creationism Vs. The Dog ate my homework

    Quote Originally Posted by iamwil View Post
    the faithful might....but the knowledgeable would never refer to the book as 'revelations'

    it is one of many indicators that you are repeating pablum and don't really have a handle on what is contained in the books or the titles...

    Again, I think this line of thinking is in the minority...as most christians tend to look ahead to the end, hoping and yearning for it, arguing about pre vs post tribulation rapture, who the whore is, what nation the horns (esp the little horn) are, what exactly the great winged scorpion beasts are, etc...
    Last edited by bibleman; 10-25-2012 at 06:28 PM. Reason: ....no longer lost on the word 'pablum' hahhah

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