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    Why Is It That You Never Hear Moderate Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Muslims?

    if the islamic religion is so good like liberals say it is why is it i never hear the (so called ) good muslims speak out against the bad ones?
    i have heard of arabs who WERE muslims but are not now and say the qu'ran tells all muslims to go into the countries,cities,and homes of the infidel and #1 either convert them #2 enslave them or#3 kill them.
    now i'm sure that some of these"good muslims" have to know that what mohammed has taught these extremists is un-Godly.
    the qu'ran is an evil book.
    but why do they not speak out?
    so here comes the anti-God left wing screwballs and says that the bible is bad or that christianity is bad,but its their choice.
    they most likely haven't read the bible or the qu'ran but that doesn't stop them from giving an oppinion.thats the problem with those who are afraid of christianity.

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    Re: Why Is It That You Never Hear Moderate Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by pawnstar
    if the islamic religion is so good like liberals say it is why is it i never hear the (so called ) good muslims speak out against the bad ones?
    i have heard of arabs who WERE muslims but are not now and say the qu'ran tells all muslims to go into the countries,cities,and homes of the infidel and #1 either convert them #2 enslave them or#3 kill them.
    now i'm sure that some of these"good muslims" have to know that what mohammed has taught these extremists is un-Godly.
    the qu'ran is an evil book.
    but why do they not speak out?
    so here comes the anti-God left wing screwballs and says that the bible is bad or that christianity is bad,but its their choice.
    they most likely haven't read the bible or the qu'ran but that doesn't stop them from giving an oppinion.thats the problem with those who are afraid of christianity.
    They do respond, a lot. You just don't look for it.

    Here

    I'll repost it here for the sake of thread continuity:

    From Informed Comment



    By Juan Cole



    Friedman Wrong About Muslims Again
    And the Amman Statement on Ecumenism


    Tom Friedman is a Middle East expert who knows a lot about Islam. Why, then, does he keep saying misleading things? He wrote in his latest column, "To this day - to this day - no major Muslim cleric or religious body has ever issued a fatwa condemning Osama bin Laden."

    A "fatwa" is simply a considered opinion of a Muslim jurisconsult. Such opinions are numerous. First of all, almost all the major Shiite Grand Ayatollahs have condemned Bin Laden and al-Qaeda. You could say that is easy, since Shiites don't generally like Wahhabis. But they are the leaders of 120 million Muslims (some ten percent of the 1.2 billion). So that is one. Tracking these things down is time-consuming, but this should do:
    Ayatollah Muhammad Husain Fadlallah of Lebanon condemns Osama Bin Laden.

    So then what about the Sunni world? The leading moral authority for Sunnis is the rector or Grand Imam of the al-Azhar Seminary/ University in Cairo, Egypt. Al-Azhar is perhaps the world's oldest continuous university and has been since the time of Saladin a major center of Sunni religious authority. The current incumbent is Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi. So what about Tantawi and Bin Laden?

    Grand Imam of Al-Azhar seminary, Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, condemns Osamah Bin Laden. And:

    The Grand Imam of al-Azhar Seminary, Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, condemns Osamah Bin Laden.

    What about Pakistan? Admittedly, it has some clerics who are fans of Bin Laden, or at least who would avoid condemning him. But the allegation Friedman is making is that no major cleric has condemned him. Try this: Prominent Pakistani Cleric Tahir ul Qadri condemns Bin Laden.

    I don't personally care for Yusuf al-Qaradawi. He is an old-time Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood preacher who fled to Qatar and now has a perch at al-Jazeera. But he does have some virtues. He is enormously popular among Muslim fundamentalists. And, he absolutely despises Bin Laden and al-Qaeda. Al-Qaradawi has repeatedly condemned the latter. He even gave a fatwa that it was a duty of Muslims to fight alongside the US in Afghanistan against al-Qaeda! See also:
    Yusuf al-Qaradawi condemns al-Qaeda.

    There are also substantial Muslim communities in Europe with leaderships that have explicitly condemned Bin Laden. E.g.:

    Spanish Muslim Clerical authorities Issue Fatwa against Osamah Bin Laden. There are on the order of 250,000 Muslims in Spain.

    High Mufti of Russian Muslims calls for Extradition of Bin Laden. The Russian Muslim community is about 20 million strong, or 15 percent of Russia's 143 million population, and is growing rapidly, so that in a century Russia may be 50 percent Muslim. So this is not a pro forma thing here.

    A good round-up on this sort of issue has been put up by al-Muhajabah.

    See also Charles Kurzman's page.

    Friedman also does refer to a major conference of Muslim clerics, thinkers and notables wound up just Wednesday that made a powerful statement about religious tolerance and condemned everything Osama Bin Laden stands for. But he seems oddly unaware of the significance of having Grand Ayatollah Sistani, Grand Imam of al-Azhar Seminary Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, and many other great Muslim authorities sign off on this epochal statement of Muslim ecumenism.

    The statement forbids one Muslim to declare another "not a Muslim" if the believer adheres to any of the mainstream legal rites of Sunnism and Shiism. The whole basis of al-Qaeda is to call the Muslim leaders of countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, as well as Shiites, "not Muslims." The statement also demands that engineers should please stop pretending to issue fatwas, which should be left to trained clerical jurisconsults. This para. is also a slam at Bin Laden.

    PS As for Friedman's main point, that Muslims haven't done a good job of fighting jihadi ideology and terrorism, it is bizarre. The Algerian government fought a virtual civil war to put down political Islam, in which over 100,000 persons died. The Egyptians jailed 20,000 or 30,000 radicals for thought crimes and killed 1500 in running street battles in the 1990s and early zeroes. Al-Qaeda can't easily strike in the Middle East precisely because Syria, Egypt, Algeria, etc. have their number and have undertaken massive actions against them. What does Friedman want? And, besides, he is wrong that this is only a Muslim problem. In the global age all problems are everybody's. That's part of flat world, too, Tom.
    You're just a plain bigot.
    Last edited by ianmatthews; 11-22-2006 at 04:29 AM.

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    Re: Why Is It That You Never Hear Moderate Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Muslims?

    you are just a plain liberal.
    when i see this on the left wing news media,or any other news media then maybe i will believe this crap. i hear a lot of your side( the liberal idiots) saying we are too hard on islam.
    get those morons on board.
    with me you are preaching to the choir.
    i already condemn these muslim thugs,your side wants to negotiate with them.
    as reagan said"you can't negotiate with terrorists"
    so try and stop these democrat screwballs in congress to quit undermining the president that is ANTI-AMERICAN but i expect that from democrats




    Quote Originally Posted by ianmatthews
    They do respond, a lot. You just don't look for it.

    Here

    I'll repost it here for the sake of thread continuity:



    You're just a plain bigot.

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    Re: Why Is It That You Never Hear Moderate Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by pawnstar
    you are just a plain liberal.
    when i see this on the left wing news media,or any other news media then maybe i will believe this crap. i hear a lot of your side( the liberal idiots) saying we are too hard on islam.
    get those morons on board.
    with me you are preaching to the choir.
    i already condemn these muslim thugs,your side wants to negotiate with them.
    as reagan said"you can't negotiate with terrorists"
    so try and stop these democrat screwballs in congress to quit undermining the president that is ANTI-AMERICAN but i expect that from democrats
    Why don't you look at a single link I posted before assuming that they're all from radical, liberal blogs. I don't recall Newsmax being on the neocon ignore list.

    Did Reagan say that before or after dealing with the Iranians? I think Bush said that too, but guess what? We're going to be dealing with BOTH the Iranians and Syria in order to get this Iraq mess over with.

    Sorry.
    Last edited by ianmatthews; 11-22-2006 at 03:52 PM.

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    Thought I'd show you another forum/blog for moderate muslims who decry the use of terrorism and radical fundamentalism in general:

    http://eteraz.org/

    That's eleven different sites I've named.

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    Re: Why Is It That You Never Hear Moderate Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by pawnstar
    as reagan said"you can't negotiate with terrorists"
    WRONG!!
    Sorry attempt to rewrite history
    For starters Reagan was a babbling moron who could not find his way to the can without the aid of his teleprompter. Also let’s not forget he relied on Nancy’s astrological charts to plan a course of action.
    "you can't negotiate with terrorists"??????????
    BULLSH!T!
    Read some history, the US Military, The CIA and the State Dept. not only negotiates with terrorist we hire them. Osama Bin Laden, Iran Contra, Vietnam[ Mung Tribesman/ drug lords]…………

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    Re: Why Is It That You Never Hear Moderate Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by ianmatthews
    Thought I'd show you another forum/blog for moderate muslims who decry the use of terrorism and radical fundamentalism in general:

    http://eteraz.org/

    That's eleven different sites I've named.

    You must be out of your mind to think he would actually check out facts. I mean come one, it's obvious by all his posts that he is a bigot and is always right :rolleyes:

    He's got a preconceived notion not backed up by fact but by stereotypes and he'll make up some ill conceived insult to back up his opinion when slapped in the face with a fact.

    So here pawnstar, show us you're not a pawn and actually check out the link. Who knows, you might learn something.

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    Re: Why Is It That You Never Hear Moderate Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phinnly Slash Buster
    WRONG!!
    Sorry attempt to rewrite history
    For starters Reagan was a babbling moron who could not find his way to the can without the aid of his teleprompter. Also let’s not forget he relied on Nancy’s astrological charts to plan a course of action.
    "you can't negotiate with terrorists"??????????
    BULLSH!T!
    Read some history, the US Military, The CIA and the State Dept. not only negotiates with terrorist we hire them. Osama Bin Laden, Iran Contra, Vietnam[ Mung Tribesman/ drug lords]…………
    For those interested, this site catalogues hundreds of resources on the subject:

    Politics - USA
    Support of DICTATORS & Terrorists
    http://www.betterworldlinks.org/book73e.htm

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    Re: Why Is It That You Never Hear Moderate Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Muslims?

    The answer to this question is very simple. There are Muslim Clerics who speak out against terrorism all of the time, and all over the world.

    But that dosen't line up with the agenda of the Bush administration, or Israels middle east plans. Between them they control most of the western media. So very little press is given to the majority of moderate muslims world wide.

    All we ever see on TV is the minority of radicals who feed into negative public opinion.
    Last edited by Dawud; 12-25-2006 at 07:00 PM.

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    Re: Why Is It That You Never Hear Moderate Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawud
    The answer to this question is very simple. There are Muslim Clerics who speak out against terrorism all of the time, and all over the world.

    But that dosen't line up with the agenda of the Bush administration, or Israels middle east plans. Between them they control most of the western media. So very little press is given to the majority of moderate muslims world wide.

    All we ever see on TV is the minority of radicals who feed into negative public opinion.
    And many of those radical Muslim Extremists were moderate Muslims before the Bush Crime Gang's illegal invasion of Iraq-Nam and The Zio-Nazi's Blitzkrieg into Southern Lebanon.

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    Re: Why Is It That You Never Hear Moderate Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Muslims?

    You are exactly right. Every day we are driving moderate Iraqies into the hands of the terrorists. I am a Vietnam era vet and the exact same thing happened over there.
    Each time you kill an innocent civilian, you have radicalized his brothers, father, uncles, cousins, and close friends.

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    Re: Why Is It That You Never Hear Moderate Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by pawnstar
    if the islamic religion is so good like liberals say it is why is it i never hear the (so called ) good muslims speak out against the bad ones?
    i have heard of arabs who WERE muslims but are not now and say the qu'ran tells all muslims to go into the countries,cities,and homes of the infidel and #1 either convert them #2 enslave them or#3 kill them.
    now i'm sure that some of these"good muslims" have to know that what mohammed has taught these extremists is un-Godly.
    the qu'ran is an evil book.
    but why do they not speak out?
    so here comes the anti-God left wing screwballs and says that the bible is bad or that christianity is bad,but its their choice.
    they most likely haven't read the bible or the qu'ran but that doesn't stop them from giving an oppinion.thats the problem with those who are afraid of christianity.
    The Bible has its fair share of bloodbaths. And you also have to admit, moderate Christians aren't too quick to speak out against Christian extremists. We've got a few nuts in our camp, too. Plus, I have seen even angry Muslims reject terrorism, but they can't help but add a note of sympathy to the cause. Obviously, many Muslims feel mistreated by either Christianity, Israel, or the west. Just playing devil's advocate.

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    Re: Why Is It That You Never Hear Moderate Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phinnly Slash Buster
    WRONG!!
    Sorry attempt to rewrite history
    For starters Reagan was a babbling moron who could not find his way to the can without the aid of his teleprompter. Also let’s not forget he relied on Nancy’s astrological charts to plan a course of action.
    "you can't negotiate with terrorists"??????????
    BULLSH!T!
    Read some history, the US Military, The CIA and the State Dept. not only negotiates with terrorist we hire them. Osama Bin Laden, Iran Contra, Vietnam[ Mung Tribesman/ drug lords]…………
    Yeah, thats right...rip someone who is dead and cannot defend himself...
    but then his (Reagan) actions speak for themselves. He brought us together
    and pulled the country out of a bleak recession. What have you ever done?
    :mad:
    We need another Reagan or JFK. All the rest are hollow suits...you should
    really relate to them. :mad:

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    Re: Why Is It That You Never Hear Moderate Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by pawnstar
    if the islamic religion is so good like liberals say it is why is it i never hear the (so called ) good muslims speak out against the bad ones?
    i have heard of arabs who WERE muslims but are not now and say the qu'ran tells all muslims to go into the countries,cities,and homes of the infidel and #1 either convert them #2 enslave them or#3 kill them.
    now i'm sure that some of these"good muslims" have to know that what mohammed has taught these extremists is un-Godly.
    the qu'ran is an evil book.
    but why do they not speak out?
    so here comes the anti-God left wing screwballs and says that the bible is bad or that christianity is bad,but its their choice.
    they most likely haven't read the bible or the qu'ran but that doesn't stop them from giving an oppinion.thats the problem with those who are afraid of christianity.
    this is old and in effect irrelevant...all the holy books of judaism, christianity, and islam make claims for killing people for certain acts. the bible tells you to stone to death anyone who speaks out against god, even if it is your own brother...its only the muslims who continue to folllow those verses word for word and refuse to adapt past th 5th century.

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    Re: Why Is It That You Never Hear Moderate Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by pawnstar
    you are just a plain liberal.
    hey pawnster, SHUT THE PHUCK UP!!!

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    Re: Why Is It That You Never Hear Moderate Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Muslims?

    Pawnster, have you ever read the Quran? Be honest now.

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