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    Students at Calif. College ban Pledge of Allegiance

    Students at Calif. College ban Pledge of Allegiance
    Thu Nov 9, 2006 8:42pm ET


    LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Student leaders at a California college have touched off a furor by banning the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.

    The move by Orange Coast College student trustees, the latest clash over patriotism and religion in American schools, has infuriated some of their classmates -- prompting one young woman to loudly recite the pledge in front of the board on Wednesday night in defiance of the rule.

    "America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them take that away from me," 18-year-old political science major Christine Zoldos told Reuters.

    "The fact that they have enough power to ban one of the most valued traditions in America is just horrible," Zoldos said, adding she would attend every board meeting to salute the flag.

    The move was lead by three recently elected student trustees, who ran for office wearing revolutionary-style berets and said they do not believe in publicly swearing an oath to the American flag and government at their school. One student trustee voted against the measure, which does not apply to other student groups or campus meetings.

    The ban follows a 2002 ruling by a federal appeals court in San Francisco that said forcing school children to recite the pledge was unconstitutional because of the phrase "under God." The U.S. Supreme Court struck down the ruling on procedural grounds but left the door open for another challenge.

    "That ('under God') part is sort of offensive to me," student trustee Jason Bell, who proposed the ban, told Reuters. "I am an atheist and a socialist, and if you know your history, you know that 'under God' was inserted during the McCarthy era and was directly designed to destroy my ideology."

    Bell said the ban largely came about because the trustees didn't want to publicly vow loyalty to the American government before their meetings. "Loyalty ought to be something the government earns through performance, not through reciting a pledge," he said.

    Martha Parham, a spokeswoman for the Coast Community College District, said her office had no standing on the student board and took no position on the flag salute ban.

    "If their personal belief is that they don't want to say the Pledge of Allegiance, the district certainly isn't going to dictate what they do," she said.

    More than 28,000 students attend the community college, located in conservative Orange County, California, south of Los Angeles.

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    Re: Students at Calif. College ban Pledge of Allegiance

    We never bothered with that at my old community college. It was get to class, get the lecture and get to home or work. Nice to know that some people actually have time to do extra-curricular stuff. Lotsa night school.

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    I wonder how America progressed so much before Republican Senator Joseph McCarthy came along. You must have heard about Joe. His methods were widely seen as demagogic and based on reckless, unsubstantiated accusations. Much like the Bush Administration methods of today. BTW... Joe went down in history as one of the most hate-filled Republicans to ever walk the earth. That title is slipping away to contender George W. Bush.

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    Re: Students at Calif. College ban Pledge of Allegiance

    The students are correct.

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    Re: Students at Calif. College ban Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusted
    We never bothered with that at my old community college. It was get to class, get the lecture and get to home or work. Nice to know that some people actually have time to do extra-curricular stuff. Lotsa night school.
    I'm with you there. I don't even remember if we had flags in each classroom. We didn't have bells, just watches and we definately didn't take the time to pledge to the flag. Most of the people at my school were just like me, rushed to get home or work. See us community college people had to work for a living and most of us didn't live at home with our parents. It really surprised me when two of my bosses (I work for lawyers) stated their kids didn't work during school except for the summer. I was like WHAT! He said they didn't have time. That's bull, to busy drinking and having fun to work. Maybe I was jealous. :rolleyes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusted View Post
    We never bothered with that at my old community college. It was get to class, get the lecture and get to home or work. Nice to know that some people actually have time to do extra-curricular stuff. Lotsa night school.
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    Re: Students at Calif. College ban Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by yossarian View Post
    Students at Calif. College ban Pledge of Allegiance
    Thu Nov 9, 2006 8:42pm ET


    LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Student leaders at a California college have touched off a furor by banning the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.

    The move by Orange Coast College student trustees, the latest clash over patriotism and religion in American schools, has infuriated some of their classmates -- prompting one young woman to loudly recite the pledge in front of the board on Wednesday night in defiance of the rule.

    "America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them take that away from me," 18-year-old political science major Christine Zoldos told Reuters.

    "The fact that they have enough power to ban one of the most valued traditions in America is just horrible," Zoldos said, adding she would attend every board meeting to salute the flag.

    The move was lead by three recently elected student trustees, who ran for office wearing revolutionary-style berets and said they do not believe in publicly swearing an oath to the American flag and government at their school. One student trustee voted against the measure, which does not apply to other student groups or campus meetings.

    The ban follows a 2002 ruling by a federal appeals court in San Francisco that said forcing school children to recite the pledge was unconstitutional because of the phrase "under God." The U.S. Supreme Court struck down the ruling on procedural grounds but left the door open for another challenge.

    "That ('under God') part is sort of offensive to me," student trustee Jason Bell, who proposed the ban, told Reuters. "I am an atheist and a socialist, and if you know your history, you know that 'under God' was inserted during the McCarthy era and was directly designed to destroy my ideology."

    Bell said the ban largely came about because the trustees didn't want to publicly vow loyalty to the American government before their meetings. "Loyalty ought to be something the government earns through performance, not through reciting a pledge," he said.

    Martha Parham, a spokeswoman for the Coast Community College District, said her office had no standing on the student board and took no position on the flag salute ban.

    "If their personal belief is that they don't want to say the Pledge of Allegiance, the district certainly isn't going to dictate what they do," she said.

    More than 28,000 students attend the community college, located in conservative Orange County, California, south of Los Angeles.

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