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    TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 07, 2006 3:40 PM


    Woman jailed in battle to have slogan T-shirt removed from fair
    She viewed design as promoting racism


    BY YVONNE M. WENGER
    The Post and Courier


    Deanna Bernstein of Summerville wanted to spend a night at the Coastal Carolina Fair eating the food and enjoying the rides and playing the games. Instead, she ended up in jail.

    When Bernstein passed a vendor selling a T-shirt Wednesday with Confederate flags and the words "Confederately Correct Civil Rights for Southern Whites," her stomach turned.

    Bernstein said the T-shirt promotes racism. In fighting to have it removed, she was charged with trespassing.

    "If people don't like it, then complain, use your voice," said Bernstein, 38, a California native who is white.

    She asked the vendor to remove the shirt and complained to fair management. When the T-shirt wasn't put away, a friend bought one for Bernstein and she stood outside the fair gates with the T-shirt in hand to ask people coming in what they thought about it.

    In the 10 minutes Bernstein said she stood there, she said most people were complacent about it but some who passed her said they liked the shirt.

    "What I see is the adults are perpetuating all of this," Bernstein said. "These children are going by and they see the T-shirt and they think hatred is OK. How could anything change?"

    Charleston County sheriff's deputies asked Bernstein to leave. When she didn't, she was arrested on a trespassing charge and fined $440, and she said she spent about eight hours in the county detention center.

    Bernstein said she was confused by the arrest because she had paid admission and was not disruptive.

    Chip Boling, president of the Coastal Carolina Fair, said Bernstein was well-mannered, but he said she was asked six times to leave for violating the fair's policy against expressing political views on the private property.

    "The reason she was arrested was because she refused to leave the grounds," Boling said. "She was advised she was trespassing. It was an unfortunate thing, but it was her choice."

    Likewise, Boling said fair security asked people distributing campaign literature to leave the grounds throughout the 10-day fair that ended Saturday. He said in his 20 years with the fair, he knows of no other similar arrests. Boling said the fair respects individuals' rights to personal beliefs and would not take a position on the T-shirt.

    The Charleston County Sheriff's Office could not provide a copy of the arrest report. A spokesman declined to comment until a report was available for him to review.

    The American Civil Liberties Union of South Carolina supports the free speech rights of Bernstein and the vendor, spokeswoman Barbara Joslin said. But private property owners have a right to decide exactly what takes place on their land, she said.

    Dot Scott, president of the Charleston branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said she would not take a position on whether the T-shirt was in good taste. However, Scott said if she had seen the T-shirt she probably would not have objected in the same way. "I probably have thick skin, because I am so used to seeing it," she said.

    Scott said her concern is that the fair's policy is written and equally applied to all attendees and whether a written policy addresses what merchandise is prohibited.

    Boling said the policy against political expression is not written but is a long-standing practice that is equally applied. In regard to what vendors can sell, Boling said the fair's unwritten practice is to prohibit merchandise with profanity or pornography. "Obviously, we may be looking at it further to see if it is something we need to do," Boling said of any potential vendor limitations.

    Bernstein said she did not believe the vendor had the right to sell the shirts, because she said it was offensive and inappropriate for children to see. "The more people generalize, the more people hate, the more divided the cultures are going to be," said Bernstein, who moved from Los Angeles nine weeks ago. "It is so ugly here in the South."

    Bernstein said she does not have a record of protesting but felt it was her duty to speak up about the T-shirt for her 15-month-old son. "I am raising a child and what kind of mother would I be if I didn't fight to change something as gross as this?" Bernstein said.

    After seeing what she perceives as racism in the area, Bernstein said she plans to move as soon as she can afford it. She wants the fair's management to apologize and drop the charge. She also wants the managers to provide fair staff with diversity training and have a booth at next year's fair that promotes multiculturalism. She said she contacted all the fair's sponsors to ask them to consider the situation when giving future support.

    Boling said he does not know why the fair should apologize. "We tried not to send her to jail," he said.

    The fair's objective is to retain a family-friendly atmosphere that improves the community by providing donations to organizations throughout the Lowcountry for program costs, Boling said

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    one women sure = plural of liberals, they didn't mention her party affiliation retard...she could be a christian conservative that doesn't believe in racism...but again you try to twist the truth...

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    At it again alread huh retard. :cool:

    Where does this say liberal/political party? She moved from L.A. to South Carolina where even black people don't complain much about all the confederate merchandise that is EVERYWHERE. This fair was near Charleston which happens to be very proud of their confederate heritage. I imagine she just had a big culture shock and over-reacted. As far as protesting the shirt, if she really felt the need to do it, then why not? The fair had her arrested because she wouldn't leave and she was violating their rules by preaching politics at the gate so that's their perogative, again why not? I imagine she feels like an idiot now, white, moving to the heart of the south and protesting a conferderate flag shirt when the black people of the area sum up the shirts to just pure ignorance and go about their day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 07, 2006 3:40 PM


    Woman jailed in battle to have slogan T-shirt removed from fair
    She viewed design as promoting racism


    BY YVONNE M. WENGER
    The Post and Courier


    Deanna Bernstein of Summerville wanted to spend a night at the Coastal Carolina Fair eating the food and enjoying the rides and playing the games. Instead, she ended up in jail.

    When Bernstein passed a vendor selling a T-shirt Wednesday with Confederate flags and the words "Confederately Correct Civil Rights for Southern Whites," her stomach turned.

    Bernstein said the T-shirt promotes racism. In fighting to have it removed, she was charged with trespassing.

    "If people don't like it, then complain, use your voice," said Bernstein, 38, a California native who is white.

    She asked the vendor to remove the shirt and complained to fair management. When the T-shirt wasn't put away, a friend bought one for Bernstein and she stood outside the fair gates with the T-shirt in hand to ask people coming in what they thought about it.

    In the 10 minutes Bernstein said she stood there, she said most people were complacent about it but some who passed her said they liked the shirt.

    "What I see is the adults are perpetuating all of this," Bernstein said. "These children are going by and they see the T-shirt and they think hatred is OK. How could anything change?"

    Charleston County sheriff's deputies asked Bernstein to leave. When she didn't, she was arrested on a trespassing charge and fined $440, and she said she spent about eight hours in the county detention center.

    Bernstein said she was confused by the arrest because she had paid admission and was not disruptive.

    Chip Boling, president of the Coastal Carolina Fair, said Bernstein was well-mannered, but he said she was asked six times to leave for violating the fair's policy against expressing political views on the private property.

    "The reason she was arrested was because she refused to leave the grounds," Boling said. "She was advised she was trespassing. It was an unfortunate thing, but it was her choice."

    Likewise, Boling said fair security asked people distributing campaign literature to leave the grounds throughout the 10-day fair that ended Saturday. He said in his 20 years with the fair, he knows of no other similar arrests. Boling said the fair respects individuals' rights to personal beliefs and would not take a position on the T-shirt.

    The Charleston County Sheriff's Office could not provide a copy of the arrest report. A spokesman declined to comment until a report was available for him to review.

    The American Civil Liberties Union of South Carolina supports the free speech rights of Bernstein and the vendor, spokeswoman Barbara Joslin said. But private property owners have a right to decide exactly what takes place on their land, she said.

    Dot Scott, president of the Charleston branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said she would not take a position on whether the T-shirt was in good taste. However, Scott said if she had seen the T-shirt she probably would not have objected in the same way. "I probably have thick skin, because I am so used to seeing it," she said.

    Scott said her concern is that the fair's policy is written and equally applied to all attendees and whether a written policy addresses what merchandise is prohibited.

    Boling said the policy against political expression is not written but is a long-standing practice that is equally applied. In regard to what vendors can sell, Boling said the fair's unwritten practice is to prohibit merchandise with profanity or pornography. "Obviously, we may be looking at it further to see if it is something we need to do," Boling said of any potential vendor limitations.

    Bernstein said she did not believe the vendor had the right to sell the shirts, because she said it was offensive and inappropriate for children to see. "The more people generalize, the more people hate, the more divided the cultures are going to be," said Bernstein, who moved from Los Angeles nine weeks ago. "It is so ugly here in the South."

    Bernstein said she does not have a record of protesting but felt it was her duty to speak up about the T-shirt for her 15-month-old son. "I am raising a child and what kind of mother would I be if I didn't fight to change something as gross as this?" Bernstein said.

    After seeing what she perceives as racism in the area, Bernstein said she plans to move as soon as she can afford it. She wants the fair's management to apologize and drop the charge. She also wants the managers to provide fair staff with diversity training and have a booth at next year's fair that promotes multiculturalism. She said she contacted all the fair's sponsors to ask them to consider the situation when giving future support.

    Boling said he does not know why the fair should apologize. "We tried not to send her to jail," he said.

    The fair's objective is to retain a family-friendly atmosphere that improves the community by providing donations to organizations throughout the Lowcountry for program costs, Boling said

    LOL... It's pathetic how this miscreant manages to exhume all these anecdotal vignettes from the media to justify and promote his consuming hatred of "libruls". He, obviously, spends a great deal of time trawling the news wires, frothing at the mouth until he spots some isolated incident to twist and spin into a tortured rationale for his obsessive pre-occupation with hating anybody who disagrees with his fellow right-wing Christo-Nazi lunatics. And it also takes a lot of time away from his routine sweeps of the closets, bed frames and attic spaces around his house looking for all those "libruls" who are out to get him.
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    to be arrested and spend the night in jail and have charges brought against her is more than a little extreme to say the least, I think a warning would of been sufficient and a banned from the property.
    This amounts to no more than arise of the police state. Wake Up America!!
    We are headed down a very dangerous path. Constitution gone thanks to the patriot act 1 and 2, writ of habeaus corpus gone. Why isnt anyone upset of our lost of liberties and freedom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by researchisthekey
    to be arrested and spend the night in jail and have charges brought against her is more than a little extreme to say the least, I think a warning would of been sufficient and a banned from the property.
    This amounts to no more than arise of the police state. Wake Up America!!
    We are headed down a very dangerous path. Constitution gone thanks to the patriot act 1 and 2, writ of habeaus corpus gone. Why isnt anyone upset of our lost of liberties and freedom?
    Extreme or a warning....she wouldn't leave. Protesters spend the night in jail all the time. While I agree that a police state may eventually be in the works, locking up a white woman for protesting confederated flags outside of a fair was not demonstrating that. This is in the south and if I had to bet (being of the south) the cops didn't appreciate a white woman protesting the confederate flag. It's not kosher in the Charleston area as that is one of their claims to fame, surviving the civil war. It looks like the southern boys taught the L.A. woman a lesson and look it worked. She said she was moving away from the south.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    When Bernstein passed a vendor selling a T-shirt Wednesday with Confederate flags and the words "Confederately Correct Civil Rights for Southern Whites," her stomach turned.

    She asked the vendor to remove the shirt and complained to fair management. When the T-shirt wasn't put away, a friend bought one for Bernstein and she stood outside the fair gates with the T-shirt in hand to ask people coming in what they thought about it.

    Charleston County sheriff's deputies asked Bernstein to leave. When she didn't, she was arrested on a trespassing charge and fined $440, and she said she spent about eight hours in the county detention center.

    Chip Boling, president of the Coastal Carolina Fair, said Bernstein was well-mannered, but he said she was asked six times to leave for violating the fair's policy against expressing political views on the private property.

    "The reason she was arrested was because she refused to leave the grounds," Boling said. "She was advised she was trespassing. It was an unfortunate thing, but it was her choice."

    Likewise, Boling said fair security asked people distributing campaign literature to leave the grounds throughout the 10-day fair that ended Saturday. He said in his 20 years with the fair, he knows of no other similar arrests. Boling said the fair respects individuals' rights to personal beliefs and would not take a position on the T-shirt.

    The American Civil Liberties Union of South Carolina supports the free speech rights of Bernstein and the vendor, spokeswoman Barbara Joslin said. But private property owners have a right to decide exactly what takes place on their land, she said.

    Scott said her concern is that the fair's policy is written and equally applied to all attendees and whether a written policy addresses what merchandise is prohibited.

    Boling said the policy against political expression is not written but is a long-standing practice that is equally applied. In regard to what vendors can sell, Boling said the fair's unwritten practice is to prohibit merchandise with profanity or pornography. "Obviously, we may be looking at it further to see if it is something we need to do," Boling said of any potential vendor limitations.

    Boling said he does not know why the fair should apologize. "We tried not to send her to jail," he said.

    The fair's objective is to retain a family-friendly atmosphere that improves the community by providing donations to organizations throughout the Lowcountry for program costs, Boling said


    Interesting...
    How is "Confederately Correct Civil Rights" NOT a "political expression"?

    How is the T-shirt message NOT "violating the fair's policy against expressing political views on the private property."?

    They boot Bernstein for expressing her anti-racist views, but allow the vendor to sell T-shirts that (apparently) express the vendor's racist views. How does this fall under "a long-standing practice that is equally applied."?

    Bernstein "stood outside the fair gates" (i.e. outside the private property), yet was she was arrested for "trespassing". (What happened to "the right to peacefully assemble"?)

    Apparently pornography and profanity are not OK, but racism is. And the fair organizers call this farce "a family-friendly atmosphere that improves the community"?

    To which I respond with a rousing "F--- you!" thereby offending their vaunted hypocrisy on both counts.

    BTW: I live in one of the Reddest of the Red states. None of my neighbors would agree with the sentiment expressed on that shirt. Anti-racism is not a "liburl" thing. It's not a "Dem" thing. It's a "thinking mind" thing.

    That you would regard this woman's anti-racist opinion as an example of "Liberals against Free Speech" says much about you.

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    Extreme or a warning....she wouldn't leave. Protesters spend the night in jail all the time. While I agree that a police state may eventually be in the works, locking up a white woman for protesting confederated flags outside of a fair was not demonstrating that. This is in the south and if I had to bet (being of the south) the cops didn't appreciate a white woman protesting the confederate flag. It's not kosher in the Charleston area as that is one of their claims to fame, surviving the civil war. It looks like the southern boys taught the L.A. woman a lesson and look it worked. She said she was moving away from the south.
    true, i am also from the south and saw plenty of racism growing up, anyone that can defend it is just plain ignorant and was probally bought up to hate by the ignorance of their parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by researchisthekey
    true, i am also from the south and saw plenty of racism growing up, anyone that can defend it is just plain ignorant and was probally bought up to hate by the ignorance of their parents.
    I would say about half of today's conferate flag wearing people aren't even racists. They grew up in the south and were around it for so long that they don't think much about it when they wear it other than it was a symbol of their family's history at one time. I've also found that alot of black people in the south don't give it much thought if this is where they grew up. Of course then there are your hard core, flag wearing, hate spilling people. These people have used a flag to represent pure racisim when in reality it was the flag of states that conceded from the U.S. I think this is what somebody from say California thinks of when they see a confederate flag which is understandable. For alot of people in the south, it's a pure symbol of the past and in areas like charleston, their livilihood (tourism) banks on old southern buildings, civil war relics, etc.

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    Interesting...
    How is "Confederately Correct Civil Rights" NOT a "political expression"?

    How is the T-shirt message NOT "violating the fair's policy against expressing political views on the private property."?

    They boot Bernstein for expressing her anti-racist views, but allow the vendor to sell T-shirts that (apparently) express the vendor's racist views. How does this fall under "a long-standing practice that is equally applied."?

    Bernstein "stood outside the fair gates" (i.e. outside the private property), yet was she was arrested for "trespassing". (What happened to "the right to peacefully assemble"?)

    Apparently pornography and profanity are not OK, but racism is. And the fair organizers call this farce "a family-friendly atmosphere that improves the community"?

    To which I respond with a rousing "F--- you!" thereby offending their vaunted hypocrisy on both counts.

    BTW: I live in one of the Reddest of the Red states. None of my neighbors would agree with the sentiment expressed on that shirt. Anti-racism is not a "liburl" thing. It's not a "Dem" thing. It's a "thinking mind" thing.

    That you would regard this woman's anti-racist opinion as an example of "Liberals against Free Speech" says much about you.

    I'm not trying to be sarcatic but does a flag bother you that much? Maybe it's because I grew up around it, I don't pay it much attention. I see no problem with selling stuff at the fair that has a confederate flag on it but the racial slur was probably a bit much and innapropriate for a fair (primarily for children).

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    Quote Originally Posted by researchisthekey
    to be arrested and spend the night in jail and have charges brought against her is more than a little extreme to say the least, I think a warning would of been sufficient and a banned from the property.
    This amounts to no more than arise of the police state. Wake Up America!!
    We are headed down a very dangerous path. Constitution gone thanks to the patriot act 1 and 2, writ of habeaus corpus gone. Why isnt anyone upset of our lost of liberties and freedom?
    I think Pwrone condones the Patriot Act. It's Liberals he doesn't seem to like.

    This woman deserved a night in jail, she was disrupting the crowd and attempting to incite a riot, damned terrorist. :rolleyes: Which means, boys and girls, that the Patriot Act is alive and well in the south. See how well it worked? :eek:

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    Touchy, touchy, touchy situation, could be.....but in all fairness (and that certainly seems to be the issue with this situation-a lack of fairness> as chocho so rightly put it).

    Seems to me that this lady just tried to start a fire where there was none to begin with and she picked her battle when she was not wearing the right armor. She appeared to be the only one offended enough to protest and that brought it down to an individual matter and not one of the immediate society. To me, SHE was the instigator of trouble. After all, there is no report of it until she happened by.

    I can not help but to think of all the different t-shirts out there that are worn depicting differing views. Some EXTREMELY provocative and crude relating to political, moral, racial, humorous and sexual views, to name a few. Heck, there are a few old codgers around my area that portray bloody fighting roosters on their hats. That is inhumane, but it is their right to support what they choose. Man, I just hope my kids don't open cock fighting pits! And the BIG JOHNSON shirts on the beach. How do you tell your 6 year old kid what a BIG JOHNSON is on a t-shirt with voluptuous and sensuously posed women?

    The point is, there will always be disparaging propaganda and narrow-minded illustrations in a free country, so teach your kids at home. Teach them well, but teach them not to tread on America's freedom because without it, we would be just another pioused dictatorial government.

    However, WHATEVER, I still do not see the correlation of this article to Liberals in a political thread.
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    what the heck is this crap?

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    I'm not trying to be sarcatic but does a flag bother you that much? Maybe it's because I grew up around it, I don't pay it much attention. I see no problem with selling stuff at the fair that has a confederate flag on it but the racial slur was probably a bit much and innapropriate for a fair (primarily for children).
    No offense taken. However, I didn't mention the flag. The point was never the flag. I referred to the slogan on the shirt. Why would I care about a flag that represents a "nation" that doesn't exist?

    But since you brought it up - why would anyone want to brandish a symbol of a time of repression, hatred, bigotry, and inhumanity? That's like a German wanting to display the Nazi flag...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Button
    I would say about half of today's conferate flag wearing people aren't even racists. They grew up in the south and were around it for so long that they don't think much about it when they wear it other than it was a symbol of their family's history at one time. I've also found that alot of black people in the south don't give it much thought if this is where they grew up.
    But you won't ever see a black southerner wearing the confederate flag. I'm just sayin'...food for thought.

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    Well, it is plain shocking that 'nuance' again escapes the finely-honed liberal mind. Oh, wait a minute....

    The point has nothing to do with an offensive t-shirt, and everything to do with the attitude of liberals that they can simply DECIDE what can and can't be said. They do it all the time. I knew this particular example, thorny as it is, would cause all sorts of passionate stupidity.

    Thanks for never letting me down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    Well, it is plain shocking that 'nuance' again escapes the finely-honed liberal mind. Oh, wait a minute....

    The point has nothing to do with an offensive t-shirt, and everything to do with the attitude of liberals that they can simply DECIDE what can and can't be said. They do it all the time. I knew this particular example, thorny as it is, would cause all sorts of passionate stupidity.

    Thanks for never letting me down.
    Tell me again all mighty pwrone, was the name liberal mentioned in this article? What if the lady was a republican? You never know these days and I guess one person protesting wraps everybody up in a box. Sounds like you got problems with a different type of bigotry.

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