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    Re: Liberals confused by success

    Quote Originally Posted by rubyslippers
    Wait just a minute as a loyal moderate Democrat when did Liberal become a bad thing? It was my party that promoted the Civil Rights Movement after all and promoted equality plus valuable social programs including Social Security and Medicare. You want BIG SPENDING look at Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. our national debt SHOT UP to close to $10 trillion dollars under their watches. Clinton actually balanced the budget and left with a budget surplus.

    Small governemtn what about the huge Department of Homeland Security that could not even handle Hurricane Katrina.

    Lets not get started ion the massively expensive and unjustifiable INVASION of Iraq its costing us billions and many American lives when they were no significant threat. Face it we would have been better off leaving Saddam in power at least he kept the lid on the radical elements now out of control.

    And don't get me started on Medicare Part D clearly written by the Drug Lobby and not they might have to negotiate with Medicare for drug prices- heaven forbide!!!

    Tax cuts? We have a massive national debt we can't afford tax cuts when we need to pay that off. The minimum wage it wasn't raised in TEN YEARS and states like Florida have an increased minimum wage its not killing business.

    And I dare Bush to veto all the time when 08 comes around the Democrats will point to him and say we tried to have these programs YOU wanted us to impliment and to leave Iraq and HE stopped us. You want to kill any hope of a Repulican president that will do it.

    One last point Bush is also stripping fundamental rights under OUR Constitution for his unwinnable War on Terrorism and violating every agreement on prisoner treatment we have ever made. Even a foriegn national under OUR laws have rights to due process and a fast fair trial represented by a lawyer and if they want a jury. He spied on people without following the law with illegal espionage inside the United States. And he is driving other nations to developed nukes because they are afraid we will invade them- they have a right to be afraid.
    Clinton balanced the budget because of a Republican Congress. Budgets went up under Republicans as we understood we were at war and we did what is necessary to defeat our enemies. Reagan ended the cold war. Fact!

    Clinton had the luxury of cutting spending that protected this country. He gutted intelligence and the military which we have paid the price for. He did not realize we were at war. This is not "Bush's war". He did not start it. Liberals must be living in another reality where 911 never occurred and Osama is our best friend. Iraq is a central battle in the War on Terror. Osama believes this now if Liberals only got it t through their thick skulls. Liberals will be the death of us yet

    Our so called massive national debt is not a bad thing. We are addressing it. Tax cuts have helped this economy create more tax payers so the debt is actually falling. We can afford tax cuts. We can not afford Democrats. I pity your ignorance but I would suggest you take some economics and learn how prosperity is generated.

    Medicare Part D is a mistake. It is an example of Republicans trying to be like Democrats. This is one reason for the Republican loss. Liberals want to stop drug company profit, thus stopping the creation of new drugs. Life saving drugs is not cheap and no one is entitled to them. It is right for Drug companies to want to recover the massive investment they put into creating a drug. Over time individual drug costs fall. Liberals think these drugs fall off of trees. You take the profit motive out of innovation and you have no innovation. It will be liberals that rape this nation dry of its wealth and put a stop to American innovation leaving us a 3rd world country.

    You are delusional. Bush has not stripped any rights, except that of terrorists. Quit your "fear mongering". Republicans believe strongly in individual rights, just not of those who wish to kill us. On the other hand, liberals believe in theft of private property and taking of our rights. Look at smoking bans that hurt individual businesses. Look at banning of Trans fats in NY. Look at trying to take away peoples gun rights. You have no idea of what are rights, what are privileges and what is needed to truly protect this country.

    To believe Bush is driving other nations to build nukes out of fear we will invade them is ignorance again. They were trying to build nukes long before Bush was president. I suggest again you read history. According to liberals every bad think in the world started when Bush became president. Liberals ignorance and hate keeps showing their ugly heads. Anyone who is afraid of the U.S. clearly does not know the history of the greatest nation on this earth. We are a nation that has helped so many become so wealthy and free that the world owes us much gratitude. Many of course understand this as they keep coming here, legal and not legal.

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    Re: Liberals confused by success

    Quote Originally Posted by TheWorker
    if you need a gun to end your time here in our "liberal run" country, even though last time i checked democrats won, not liberals, i can provide one for you
    You are correct in that TheWorker. This is going to be one of the big challenges for the Democratic Party. The Democrat leadership is extremely liberal. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed, plus many others who will be chairing committees are very liberal. In order to win Democrats needed conservative Democrats to pick off Republicans. Democrats now have a big challenge with these Conservative Democrats, their ultra left base like Moveone.org who will be demanding payback, and the leadership with their liberal ideology all coming into conflict. It should be fascinating to watch.

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    Re: Liberals confused by success

    Quote Originally Posted by TheWorker
    no one else finds it interesting that 4-8 years ago we didnt have "liberal democrats" or "conservative republicans" like we do now??? dont get me wrong , of course the te.rms were out there, but now they go together and there is no seperation anymore. its pretty interesting.

    o and Pwrone, i guess the country WANTS to be more "liberal" now, dont you think???

    dont really know why i asked what you though, nov 7th proved it to be a fact.
    The country does not want to be more liberal overall. The many conservative initiatives throughout the country that won show that. The fact that Democrats needed conservative Democrats to pick off Republicans shows that. The country just believed the liberal nonsense in the media, were fed up with Republicans acting like Democrats on spending, were upset about Iraq (bowing to pressure from our enemies who realize this is how they defeat America), and the many small Republican missteps. They all added up to a need for change in Washington. People will say it was just Iraq. That is not true. People will say it is corruption. That is not true. As a matter of fact Democrats are plenty corrupt and this is what swept them out of Congress last time. It was many things that built as a wave to punish those who held the most power, which happened to be Republicans.

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    Re: Liberals confused by success

    Quote Originally Posted by bdslight
    By the way... I love blowjobs too... guess that makes me a republiberal
    It is ok to love blowjobs. This is a human thing. Show me a man who does not? :-) It is just not ok to love blowjobs by an intern in the White House (or any business for that matter) and lie about it on the stand. Perhaps sexual harassment training should be taken by all future Democrat Presidents. Especially, since it was their party responsible for promoting it. :D

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    Re: Liberals confused by success

    I had no idea I was confused by success! Thank you, conservatives on an internet message board!

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    Re: Liberals confused by success

    Quote Originally Posted by ianmatthews
    I had no idea I was confused by success! Thank you, conservatives on an internet message board!
    LOL, isn't it a laugh a minute with these guys? ;)


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    Re: Liberals confused by success

    Quote Originally Posted by chocho
    Truth? You haven't looked "truth" square in the eye for years.

    If you can bring yourself to recognize it, then bring it on.

    Anytime you're ready to serve up some actual truth instead of the vitriolic moronic fantasies you constantly pour forth, I've got an extra-large bottle of ibuprophen with your name on it for the occasion.

    But if you think I'm going to waste intelligent discourse on your half-baked paranoid delusions, think again. Battle of wits with an unarmed man, and all that.
    The hypocritical left at it again. Were you looking in the mirror when you wrote this? My weapons are facts and I have provided plenty via raw numbers and history. You choose to ignore them is your prerogative but this further reinforces liberals inability to learn and grow. True progress starts with education and if you refuse to be educated this is your issue.

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    Re: Liberals confused by success

    Quote Originally Posted by Betamanmn
    The hypocritical left at it again. Were you looking in the mirror when you wrote this? My weapons are facts and I have provided plenty via raw numbers and history. You choose to ignore them is your prerogative but this further reinforces liberals inability to learn and grow. True progress starts with education and if you refuse to be educated this is your issue.
    Yes these "facts" you hav brought forth, you have no cited one source, you have not posted on article from a respected publication, jsut conjecture and opinion. But we can relable these to facts i suppose...

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    Re: Liberals confused by success

    Quote Originally Posted by Betamanmn
    You are correct in that TheWorker. This is going to be one of the big challenges for the Democratic Party. The Democrat leadership is extremely liberal. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed, plus many others who will be chairing committees are very liberal. In order to win Democrats needed conservative Democrats to pick off Republicans. Democrats now have a big challenge with these Conservative Democrats, their ultra left base like Moveone.org who will be demanding payback, and the leadership with their liberal ideology all coming into conflict. It should be fascinating to watch.
    i dont agree with that at all. dems won becuase tthe coutnry was sick of what's happening right now.

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    Re: Liberals confused by success

    Quote Originally Posted by Betamanmn
    The country does not want to be more liberal overall. The many conservative initiatives throughout the country that won show that. The fact that Democrats needed conservative Democrats to pick off Republicans shows that. The country just believed the liberal nonsense in the media, were fed up with Republicans acting like Democrats on spending, were upset about Iraq (bowing to pressure from our enemies who realize this is how they defeat America), and the many small Republican missteps. They all added up to a need for change in Washington. People will say it was just Iraq. That is not true. People will say it is corruption. That is not true. As a matter of fact Democrats are plenty corrupt and this is what swept them out of Congress last time. It was many things that built as a wave to punish those who held the most power, which happened to be Republicans.
    i was being sarastic. it is you and your buddies that shove the ter.m "liberal" down everyones throats becuase you thought the people would not like how that sounded...just like "cut and run".

    it didnt work. liberal, democrat, call them whatever you want, but call them a MAJORITY at the very least.

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    Re: Liberals confused by success

    Quote Originally Posted by Betamanmn
    The hypocritical left at it again. Were you looking in the mirror when you wrote this? My weapons are facts and I have provided plenty via raw numbers and history. You choose to ignore them is your prerogative but this further reinforces liberals inability to learn and grow. True progress starts with education and if you refuse to be educated this is your issue.
    POO acknowledged in my last reply to his post that i was finally understandable!?what is your take!?do you think i have made any valid points that you have or may have considered!?i mean it would be fairly easy to pick apart your facts!?what is the basis of your ATTITUDE is what counts!?what is the PET PEEVE that is driving you to be/claim sanity!?....guess what!?it's right under my nose!?the refusal to be educated!?lets consider this point!?take hitler for example!?what happened to those that refused to be educated to his purpose!?now if you think that this does not apply to you then......what makes you SPECIAL i have to ask!?is it a SECRET!?because i dont care what the CAUSE or BELEIF is you hold dear because if it is forced on an unwilling person then it is democratically and constitutionally WRONG!?hehe!!....just askin....OOPS!!i almost forgot....RELIGIOUSLY WRONG!?but of course,if you want to debate the fine points between principle and practice i might be willing to listen!?but i GUESS you have me on ignore!?your loss!?your fear!?hehe!!...just askin....
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    Re: Liberals confused by success

    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    Girls, girls...!! Please!

    Look...I have savored their crying about 'fixed elections' the whining about their 'rights' are being taken away...I have bathed in their tears when their manufactured scandals fail again and again and again...I have drunk deeply their sorrow as they have lost again and again---always tantalizingly close, but not quite winning...what could be better than that? Now...what can they get from me? NOTHING. I STILL live in the greatest nation the world has ever known, the most compassionate, the fairest, the kindest, the strongest...Where anyone with desire and work ethic can be successful.

    It is a beautiful day!!
    the dead and dying of the world at large "SALUTE YOU" as their savior!?hehe!!...do you want an honorary parade or somethin!?i mean if ya asked saddam if he was doin what he did for the people he would answer like you!?he would be proud of his accomplishments!?but hey!?look where he was and what he had to deal with!?hehe!!...just askin...
    Last edited by lexx; 11-17-2006 at 11:12 AM.

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    as to the title of this thread!?it reminds me of the 2000 election!?in the confusion of that win the pubs started a chain reaction of reaction that ended in a dynasty of TOTALITARIANISM like conduct that knew no faults!/a run on the public trust that was NOT fostered by all but by the DESPARATE attitudes of the FIX the WORLD now lunatics of histories dark ages!?the cry of we know what's best!?and it is imperative that it happens overnight!?i have to give the SWARTZ the credit for NOT following this LUNATIC crusade!?he got handily re-elected by NOT swatting/flaming down the opponents and just staying focused on the future!?i'm not saying he's mr. good guy but i am saying he knows that ya dont poison the the whole lawn to kill the weeds!?why make more work than necessary!?be conservative in your approach!?why bomb to bits and then pay to rebuild!?guess it depends on WHO is gonna suffer!?hehe!!.....just askin....
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