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    "Terrorists" Celebrate Saddam's Conviction

    Hmmm.. This must confuse all of the Neo-Con Napoleans something "terrible".

    Wasn't Saddam the guy who was causing all the big bad "terrists" to make trouble for our Godly American Empire and supporting Al Qaeda Shiites in their Jihad against Freedom(tm)?

    So why are all these Shiites now taking a brief restbit from blowing up and shooting at American Troops to flow out into the streets of Baghdad in a massive celebration of Saddam's impending execution?

    Gee.. Maybe the media should be careful how they break the news. This is enough to make a Monkey's brain convert all that right-wing Kool Aid into right-wing jello. Oh wait....





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    Suicide Terrorism and Democracy: What Weve Learned Since 9/11

    by Robert A. Pape

    Over the past two decades, terrorist organizations have increasingly relied on suicide attacks to achieve political objectives. The specific goal sought in almost all suicide terrorist campaigns in modern history is the same: to compel a democratic state to withdraw combat forces from territory prized by the terrorists. This holds true for al-Qaeda, the terrorist organization of greatest concern to most Americans. Al-Qaeda's efforts to mobilize people to kill Americans are driven principally by a simple strategic goal: to drive the United States and its Western allies from the Arabian Peninsula and other Muslim countries.

    Terrorist groups that employ suicide as a tactic follow a strategic logic to compel democratic governments to change their policies, but the motivations of the individual attackers have evolved over the past few years. In the London bombings of July 7, 2005, and in the failed plot to blow up airliners over the Atlantic uncovered in August 2006, the actual and prospective suicide terrorists were not personally suffering under foreign occupation, but they did sympathize with the plight of a kindred group. Deep anger at the use of foreign combat forces to suppress national self-determination by kindred groups is sufficient to inspire self-sacrifice even when personal motives for revenge are completely absent.

    Understanding that suicide terrorism is mainly a response to foreign occupation rather than a product of Islamic fundamentalism has important implications for how the U.S. government should conduct the war on terrorism. Over the next year, the United States and its allies in Iraq should completely turn over the responsibility for Iraq's security to Iraq's new government and should start systematically withdrawing troops. The Bush administration should similarly revisit the deployment of all U.S. military personnel in the Persian Gulf region. The West managed its interests there during the 1970s and 1980s without stationing any combat soldiers on the ground. This "offshore balancing" approach kept our forces close enough that they could respond in the event of an emergency that posed a direct threat to U.S. vital interests. In order to effectively fight al-Qaeda, the United States should complete the transition toward a similar "offshore balancing" strategy by the end of the Bush presidency.
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    Re: "Terrorists" Celebrate Saddam's Conviction

    U.S. lawyer Says Saddam Faces Victor's Justice
    04 Nov 2006 15:23:04 GMT
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    http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L04122677.htm

    MMAN, Nov 4 (Reuters) -A death sentence on Saddam Hussein for crimes against humanity would deliver "victor's justice" that would fuel violence in Iraq for decades, former U.S. attorney general Ramsey Clark said on Saturday.

    "It's an unfair trial in more ways than you can count. Where have we seen a trial take place in the midst of such uncontrollable violence?" Clark said.

    Saddam will almost certainly receive the death sentence on Sunday when the court is due to deliver its verdict, said Clark who leads a team of international lawyers defending Saddam.

    He described the court as prejudiced and lacking impartiality, and said it had already condemned the ousted Iraqi president for killing 148 Shi'ite villagers after an attempt on his life in 1982.

    "To let there be worse than victors' justice and the revenge of all enemies at a time like this for Iraq is something history and humanity should not have to bear," Clark said before flying to Baghdad.

    "It will create violence maybe for generations to come.

    "The trial will go down in history as politically forced, it was a disaster for justice. It just went on for too long with lawyers killed and judges kicked off," said Clark.

    The government has urged a rapid conviction and hanging for Saddam whose Sunni-dominated administration oppressed the Shi'ite and Kurdish communities, who now dominate political power.

    "When you think of all the things people have said, it's very difficult to see anything happening except a death sentence," Clark said.

    The veteran anti-war campaigner, who first met Saddam before the 1991 Gulf War, was among the last Westerners to see him weeks before the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.

    Clark said Saddam should be tried by an independent U.N.-sponsored court and he was scathing about the Saddam verdict coming only two days before U.S. mid-term elections.

    "We call it the corruption of justice, the abuse of the judicial system for political ends. It's a crime and a very serious crime because it impacts on the integrity of government," he said.

    A death sentence would not only deepen divisions but would prove to Iraqis aggrieved by the U.S. occupation that there was no other way than a fight to the bitter end, Clark said.

    "It's now or never for us and posterity ..they will see there is no compromise, no fairness... so it's a struggle to the death," Clark said.

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    Re: "terrorists" Celebrate Saddam's Conviction

    Wasn't Saddam the guy who was causing all the big bad "terrists" to make trouble for our Godly American Empire and supporting Al Qaeda Shiites in their Jihad against Freedom(tm)?

    So why are all these Shiites now taking a brief restbit from blowing up and shooting at American Troops to flow out into the streets of Baghdad in a massive celebration of Saddam's impending execution?
    Because "shiite for brains" , Saddam was a Sunni and he hated the Shiites and how is it in your twisted world that all Shiites are terrorists ?

    oh wait...you don't have answer that I forgot who was replying to ...

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    Re: "terrorists" Celebrate Saddam's Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by franKg
    Because "shiite for brains" , Saddam was a Sunni and he hated the Shiites and how is it in your twisted world that all Shiites are terrorists ?

    oh wait...you don't have answer that I forgot who was replying to ...

    shmuck
    They weren't before Bush recruited them to Al Qaeda by invading their country and removing the secularist state lid Saddam kept on them for 30 years "Franikie Sh!t For Brains", you pathetic ignorant fvck. It's a recipe from the Bin Laden cook book, just like that brown Monkey jello between your ears.

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    Re: "terrorists" Celebrate Saddam's Conviction

    Read and learn

    Captured Iraqi intel confirms pre-war links between Saddam's regime and terrorists
    By Sam Wells
    web posted March 13, 2006

    The DNC's mantra that President Bush "misled the nation into war" is losing whatever clout it once had as more and more people become better informed. The massive post-invasion evidence mounts confirming that it was the mainstream media and leading Democrats -- not the Bush Administration -- who lied to the American people on the issue of pre-war ties between Saddam Hussein's regime and al-Qaida terrorists. We now know that during the years before 9/11/01 and the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, over 8,000 terrorists were trained inside Iraq by the Iraqi military.

    But don't hold your breath waiting for an apology from the New York Times, the TV networks, and the rest of the partisan establishment media. Having a cynical contempt for the intelligence and attention spans of the American people, the mainstream media hopes that the repeated lie that "Bush lied" will still be taken seriously by enough people for it to stick. After all, their motto is: perception is reality! And, although their influence is gradually waning, the establishment liberal-left media news twisters still have a great deal of influence on public opinion, especially on those who watch TV news, and they know it.

    Will they get away with it? Not if enough informed individuals continue to point out the truth. The mainstream media can no longer ignore or cover up the growing body of evidence which confirms the terrorist links to Saddam.

    Marine Corps counter-terrorism specialist W. Thomas Smith, Jr. points out that "those with connections to the U.S. special operations community have long known that the pre-war link between Saddam and the al-Qaida terrorist network is not only a fact, but one that had to be addressed as part of the global war on terror."

    He recalls that the mainstream media ignored or glossed over the parts of the 9/11 Commission Report which admitted evidence for those links. As just one example, the report states that "[Osama] bin Laden himself met with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in late 1994 or early 1995." Bin Laden asked the Iraqi official for weapons procurement assistance and permission to establish terrorist training facilities in Iraq. While the Commission's report claimed that it was not known what response was given bin Laden's requests, it leaves the issue somewhat hanging with the statement that "The ensuing years saw additional efforts to establish connections [between al-Qaida and Saddam's regime]." Elsewhere the 9/11 Report admits there was some evidence to indicate possible collaboration with al-Qaida-affiliated terrorists. Smith, who did read the report, writes:

    "[T]here was Ansar al Islam, an al-Qaida-affiliated terrorist group with training camps in Northern Iraq prior to 2003. This group was hoping to establish an Islamist state in Iraq. But the again, rarely read 9/11 Commission Report clearly states, 'There are indications that [by 2001] the Iraqi regime tolerated and may even have helped Ansar al Islam against the common Kurdish enemy.'"

    Since the invasion, materials captured, translated, and analyzed have only added further evidence. Smith reports, "Intelligence gathered since the U.S. invasion indicates that as early as the late 1990s, Iraq's Unit 999 (a special branch of the old regimes army) was directly involved in the training of foreign terrorists inside Iraq. Intelligence about U.S. and other Western forces was shared between operatives of the Iraqi intelligence services and al-Qaida. And foreign terrorists operating in the region (outside of Iraq) who needed medical attention or other support received it once inside Iraqi borders."

    Secret terrorist training camps in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak -- all inside Iraq -- were directed by elite Iraqi military units. At Salman Pak, a facility south of Baghdad, a number of videos, computer disks, documents, and other materials, including explicitly Jihadist propaganda. revealed terrorist training footage, where the targets were clearly Americans, and notes and communications (since translated into English) which document the cooperation between the Baathist regime and various terrorist groups.

    Sargat an enormously significant international terrorist training camp in northeastern Iraq near the Iranian border -- was run by Ansar al Islam, and based on information from the U.S. Army special forces operators who led the attack, it is indeed "more than plausible" that al-Qaida members trained there.

    "[A Special Forces sergeant] believed, given the heavy fortifications, ample weaponry, and quality of the fighters, that his team had just invaded the worlds largest existing terrorist training camp since the fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan. This was no way-station, in his view. It was remote yet in the heart of the region, so radicals could wreak havoc all over the Middle East." (Linda Robinson, Masters of Chaos, Public Affairs, 2004)

    According to Robinson, the American Green Berets discovered among the dead in Sargat: foreign ID cards, airline-ticket receipts, visas, and passports from Yemen, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, Tunisia, Morocco, and Iran.

    Others who were in a position to know the truth about the Iraq-terrorist links are now speaking out, hoping not to be ignored as they were in the past. "There were terrorists training in Iraq prior to our invasion of that country," according to retired U.S. Army Lt. Gen. John Bruce Blount, former chief of staff of Allied Forces Southern Europe. "No question about it. There also were many things Saddam was doing money, passports, visas, you name it to further the terrorists ability to operate in other places throughout the world."

    Another expert on Middle Eastern jihadism, Dr. Walid Phares, states: "The Saddam-al-Qaida cooperation was centered around weakening the U.N.-sponsored, U.S.-British-backed sanctions against Iraq. al-Qaida would strike U.S. interests, prompting a U.S. withdrawal from the region. Iraq would in turn provide some facilities and other services to al-Qaidas operatives and local allies without necessarily becoming their main supplier or strategic partner."

    International terrorists like Jordanian-born Abu Musab al Zarqawi were able to access many locations in Iraq long before the 2003 invasion, and this was known prior to the invasion. But those in the intelligence community -- and in the partisan liberal media -- who had insisted that there could never be any cooperation between Islamic jihadists and a secular dictator like Saddam Hussein simply ignored these facts since they did not fit into their template of assumptions -- and continued to challenge the claims by the Bush administration that there had been links to terrorism in Iraq. Unfortunately, many people bought into that line and have accepted it as true. But those journalists and analysts who relied on that flawed ideological template of false assumptions now have embarrassing egg on their faces.

    Smith asks an important question: Why is the White House not jumping all over the fact that terrorists were indeed training in pre-invasion Iraq as defensible proof and one of the reasons why we had no choice but to invade that country? And here is the answer he gives:

    "The answer is simple and unfortunate: Many in the mainstream media have been so successful at debunking any evidence, proof, or substantive facts as they relate to the Saddam-al-Qaida connection, that any new information supporting any facts those of us in-the-know already know will simply be rejected. The new information will be seen as desperate backtracking on old ground. The White House, which is committed to winning the war, will be seen as being in a defensive mode regarding issues that now have no strategic or tactical relevance in the future prosecution of the war. And the general public, which has been fed a steady diet of Iraq-is-the-wrong-theater since 2003, no longer knows what to believe."

    Commander Mark Divine, a U.S. Navy SEAL officer who served in Iraq and who now operates the NavySEALs.com website, explains: "There is tremendous evidence to suggest there were terrorist training camps in Iraq before 9/11. . . . Those who have decided that the Iraq-al-Qaida connection claims (along with WMD) were ginned up by Bush to bolster the rationale for going into Iraq, are so firmly invested in those beliefs that they wouldn't believe any corroborating evidence anyhow."

    In other words, the "anti-war" zealots don't want to be confused by facts, so wedded are they to their claims that "Bush lied" and that there were no links between Saddam and the jihadists. They would now have to admit that Bush was on target all along. Don't hold your breath waiting for their apology
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    Re: "terrorists" Celebrate Saddam's Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by franKg
    Because "shiite for brains" , Saddam was a Sunni and he hated the Shiites and how is it in your twisted world that all Shiites are terrorists ?

    oh wait...you don't have answer that I forgot who was replying to ...

    shmuck

    Saddam was not a Sunni. Saddam was a Ba'athist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RememberMyName
    Saddam was not a Sunni. Saddam was a Ba'athist.
    ha...ha....ha....poor Frankie just isn't "all there"...LOL

    I guess someone should've told him that the long brown thing he just ate wasn't a chocolate covered banana.
    franKg - "Since God was ok with Moses, Joshua and David burning cities to the ground and killing all the civilians I think he would be ok with us splashing a little water on some terrorists."

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    It's not "waterboarding", it's "extraordinary baptism""

    Quote Originally Posted by carlbenator
    As discussed in a previous thread, this IRRATIONAL HATRED for the Jews and their RIGHT to SURVIVE is one of the many PROOFS of a God, AND a Devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Americanadian
    ha...ha....ha....poor Frankie just isn't "all there"...LOL

    I guess someone should've told him that the long brown thing he just ate wasn't a chocolate covered banana.

    LOL... That was Shaun Hannity's last monologue.

    Hey Frankie, When the nice men in the white coats knock on your door, don't resist. You'll just make it harder on yourself. If you're a good boy, they might even let you share a padded cell with Wells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Americanadian
    ha...ha....ha....poor Frankie just isn't "all there"...LOL

    I guess someone should've told him that the long brown thing he just ate wasn't a chocolate covered banana.
    We cant blame Bush puppets. They are like a printer.
    Bush fed the news to them. Their job is just to print it out.
    Their buffer reminds them to get more print-jobs from Bush.

    :(
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    Re: "terrorists" Celebrate Saddam's Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by RememberMyName
    We cant blame Bush puppets. They are like a printer.
    Bush fed the news to them. Their job is just to print it out.
    Their buffer reminds them to get more print-jobs from Bush.

    :(
    Why not? Weren't they given a brain at birth like the rest of us?
    apparently not...this in no way alleviates them from their responsibility as Americans to end the corruption.
    franKg - "Since God was ok with Moses, Joshua and David burning cities to the ground and killing all the civilians I think he would be ok with us splashing a little water on some terrorists."

    Dr poormouth - "Exackly;
    It's not "waterboarding", it's "extraordinary baptism""

    Quote Originally Posted by carlbenator
    As discussed in a previous thread, this IRRATIONAL HATRED for the Jews and their RIGHT to SURVIVE is one of the many PROOFS of a God, AND a Devil.

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    Re: "terrorists" Celebrate Saddam's Conviction

    Baathist? Not a religon, political party. Think of it as somewhat facist.

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    Re: "terrorists" Celebrate Saddam's Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza.
    Hahahaha!

    Actually he was both!!

    Sunni = religious sect

    Ba'athist = political party
    Yeah its alright, if you are one of those who still call your wife honey, dear. Even after she confessed to sleeping around with many mens behind your back. Afterall shes still a "wife".

    Here's a link for the Bush puppets to read: http://www.cfr.org/publication/7678/#13

    Do read up on Sunnis and Shiites. Baathist too. Keypoint to note Baathist is not Sunni political party and neither does it support Sunni's fundamentalist goal.

    Shiite formed dawa political party which was driven by the ideology of enforcing their version of the sharia islamic law like the shiites
    dominance Iran.

    Sunni formed theirs Iraqi Islamic Party that is driven by what we know of in moslem country like saudi arabia with sharia is based upon a panel of .

    Saddam on the other hand form the Baathist which was driven by ideology arab nationalism, kind of like marxism. So the Baath party that govern Iraq doesnt sit well with either the Shiite nor the Sunni. Unless they joined of course.

    That is why many of the Baath party elders are Sunnis.
    Typical of minority who fears tortured and killed which was what happened to Sunnis who refused.

    Anyway with Saddam corrupt govt, guess the Sunnis who became a Baathist know whats best for them in term of their wealth.

    So Saddam was neither a Sunni nor a Shiite. But he was a Baathist.

    But hey didnt the Bush puppets read that this is political forum?

    So if you were to think that a Sunni is someone like Saddam.
    The question will be, do you think of your mom as a wh0re?
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    Re: "terrorists" Celebrate Saddam's Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza.
    My next door neighbour (and also my friend) is an Iraqi. He is also a Shiite from Basra. He and his wife fled the tyranny of Hussein before they were murdered for being Shiite. I know all I need to know about Sunni and the Ba'athist party!! But thanks, anyway.
    .
    Hey what a coincidence!
    My next door neighbour (and also my friend) is an Iraqi too.
    But He is a Sunni from Samarra.

    He and his wife fled the tyranny of Saddam Hussein before they were murdered for being a Sunni.

    I find it very important to know Saddam is Sunni.
    So dont thank me, THANK YOU!!

    :(
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    Re: "terrorists" Celebrate Saddam's Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by dchristie
    Hey Frankie, When the nice men in the white coats knock on your door, don't resist. You'll just make it harder on yourself. If you're a good boy, they might even let you share a padded cell with Wells.
    Speaking from experience, are we? :D

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