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    The Fence Campaign

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    The Fence Campaign

    President Bush signed a bill to authorize a 700-mile border fence last week, thus enshrining into federal law a key part of the Republicans’ midterm election strategy. The party of the Iraq war and family values desperately needs you to forget about dead soldiers and randy congressmen, and to think instead about the bad things immigrants will do to us if we don’t wall them out. Hence the fence, and the ad campaigns around it.

    Across the country, candidates are trying to stir up a voter frenzy using immigrants for bait. They accuse their opponents of being amnesty-loving fence-haters, and offer themselves as jut-jawed defenders of the homeland because they want the fence. But the fence is the product of a can’t-do, won’t-do approach to a serious national problem. And the ads are built on a foundation of lies:

    Lie No. 1: We’re building a 700-mile fence. The bill signed by Mr. Bush includes no money for fence building. Congress has authorized $1.2 billion as a down payment for sealing the border, but that money is also meant for roads, electronic sensors and other security tactics preferred by the Department of Homeland Security, which doesn’t want a 700-mile fence. Indian tribes, members of Congress and local leaders will also have considerable say in where to put the fence, which could cost anywhere from $2 billion to $9 billion, depending on whose estimates you believe.

    “It’s one thing to authorize. It’s another thing to actually appropriate the money and do it,” said Senator John Cornyn, a Texas Republican. “I’m not sure that’s the most practical use of that money.”

    Lie No. 2: A fence will help. A 700-mile fence, if it works, will only drive immigrants to other parts of the 2,000-mile border. In parts of the trackless Southwest, building the fence will require building new roads. Who uses roads? Immigrants and smugglers. And no fence will do anything about the roughly 40 percent of illegal immigrants who enter legally and overstay their visas.

    Lie No. 3: The Senate’s alternative bill was weak, and its supporters favored amnesty. In May, the Senate passed a bill that had a fence. Not only that, it had money for a fence. It also included tough measures for cracking down on illegal hiring. It demanded that illegal immigrants get right with the law by paying fines and taxes, learning English and getting to the back of the citizenship line. It went overboard in some ways, weakening legal protections for immigrants and hindering judicial oversight. But it went far beyond the fence-only approach. Its shortcomings and differences with the House bill might have been worked out in negotiations over the summer. But instead, House Republican leaders held months of hearings to attack the Senate bill. And all we were left with was the fence.

    Will the Republican strategy work? We’ll know next week, but we hold out hope that hard-line candidates are misreading the electorate. Voters all over are concerned about immigration, of course, but many polls have repeatedly shown that they warm to reasonable solutions and not to stridency. They can recognize the difference between the marauding army of fence-jumpers they see in commercials and the immigrants who have become their neighbors, co-workers, customers and friends. Citizen anger cuts both ways, and many voters, Latinos in particular, say they are put off by the Republican hysteria.

    Poll results in some races suggest that xenophobia and voter deception are not necessarily a ticket to victory. In Arizona, Randy Graf, a Republican, is running for Congress as a single-issue candidate focused on border security, Minuteman-style. He has said that if his strident argument won’t fly in his prickly border state, it might not fly anywhere. He is trailing Gabrielle Giffords, a moderate Democrat who supports the comprehensive approach to immigration reform endorsed by the Senate and — once upon a time — by President Bush.

    Whatever happens in November, Congress will eventually have to deal with the 12 million illegal immigrants unaffected by the fence, and the future flow of immigrant workers. That means tackling “amnesty” directly. The sad thing is that Democrats and moderate Republicans — and Mr. Bush — already did this, and settled on an approach that is both tough and smart.

    But now is the time for stirring up voters, and the pliant Mr. Bush has decided to go along, adding his signature to the shortsighted politics of fear.

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    Re: The Fence Campaign

    Thats your opinion. I think border fense is one of very few great things of Bush has done. Probably the only great thing he did.

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    Uh, the border fence bill is not even funded, and it only covers 700 miles of a 2000 mile border. In other words, it only exists to label those who oppose it as "weak on border security" during an election cycle.

    http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_476994.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/30/op...1.html?_r=1&hp

    http://borderfenceproject.com/
    http://borderfenceproject.com/time.php
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5025158.stm

    Basically, it's a complete scam that has enraged people so much that they're taking to building a fence on their own, symbolic as it may be.
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    Lou Dobbs is the greatest patriot this country has, his BrokenBorder special tells it all.

    BTW, they are ILLEGAL ALIENS, not illegal immigrants. Immigrants eludes to paper work in waiting and that is not true. Don't change the meaning of words. Words offer the means to meaning, the enunciation of truth. The truth is they are illegal aliens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeinParadise
    Lou Dobbs is the greatest patriot this country has, his BrokenBorder special tells it all.

    BTW, they are ILLEGAL ALIENS, not illegal immigrants. Immigrants eludes to paper work in waiting and that is not true. Don't change the meaning of words. Words offer the means to meaning, the enunciation of truth. The truth is they are illegal aliens.
    I copied the article EXACTLY as it is written. Illegal is illegal. And both words are suitable, in fact, illegal immigrants is much more accurate. And these are the definitions given at the Federal level.

    All these definitions are acceptable:


    Terms used in the United States include:

    illegal alien
    immigrant
    migrant
    criminal alien
    foreign national
    illegal immigrant/ migrant
    undocumented immigrant/ migrant/ alien / worker
    undocumented resident
    paperless immigrant



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    To you is's acceptable but to me it's not. I'll use the illegal alien term. Thanks

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    is's= it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeinParadise
    To you is's acceptable but to me it's not. I'll use the illegal alien term. Thanks
    To each their own. You say potatoes and I say potahtoes, lol. We are on the same page either way.

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    The key word is "illegal", no matter what word follows it.

    Seems "fuzzy math" has morphed into a "fuzzy fence". Its not funded and
    the bill is so full of escape clauses it is sickening. Its all timed to try to
    draw us angry Pubs back into the fold. Well, Im not taken but Im more
    afraid of the Dems than angry enough to not vote! :eek:

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeinParadise
    Lou Dobbs is the greatest patriot this country has, his BrokenBorder special tells it all.

    BTW, they are ILLEGAL ALIENS, not illegal immigrants. Immigrants eludes to paper work in waiting and that is not true. Don't change the meaning of words. Words offer the means to meaning, the enunciation of truth. The truth is they are illegal aliens.
    Youre right about Lou Dobbs. Hes the only one speaking up for the middle
    class. Obviously hes not for sale as are our politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodwitchofthesouth
    Youre right about Lou Dobbs. Hes the only one speaking up for the middle
    class. Obviously hes not for sale as are our politicians.
    so WHILE the DEMS have HEAPED on the MIDDLE class CALL,why dont YOU,personally!?define the same!?FOR undecided VOTERS!?and on another noise!?YOU here WILLINGLY ADMIT TO FEAR under the CURRENT administration!?(while blaming the FUTURE for SAME!?)hehe...just askin.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeinParadise
    To you is's acceptable but to me it's not. I'll use the illegal alien term. Thanks

    HEY!!fruit loops!?paradise is a LIE!?go to IRAQ!?hehe!!......just askin your SORRY A S S !?tradin PLACES was JUST a MOVIE!?hehe!!...just askin....

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    Let's refer to the dictionary:

    immigrant - A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.

    Alien - a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization.

    Well, the term "illegal immigrant" is certainly applicable, but the term "illegal alien" seems to be a more accurate a term for describing the people who have crossed into the U.S. and reside here without the legal right to do so.

    It's all about political correctness and making them seem "not as bad" as they really are. Like these other terms for instance:

    Undocumented vs. Illegal
    Islamic Extremists vs. Islamic Terrorists
    Insurgence vs. Pro Terrorist fighters
    "Suicide" bombers vs. "Homicide" bombers
    Freedom fighters vs. Murderous Civilian Oppressors
    Terminate vs. Abort
    Questioning vs. Convicting
    Oppose vs. Accuse
    "Protesting" opposing viewpoints vs. "Preventing" opposing viewpoints

    That's just to name a few... Notice that I wrote the phrases on the left or the right for a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borisf96
    Thats your opinion. I think border fense is one of very few great things of Bush has done. Probably the only great thing he did.
    like you MISSED the TRANSFER of CHARITY/WELFARE to the CHURCHES from GOV!?(not yet set!?)hehe!!just askin....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17
    Let's refer to the dictionary:

    immigrant - A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.

    Alien - a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization.

    Well, the term "illegal immigrant" is certainly applicable, but the term "illegal alien" seems to be a more accurate a term for describing the people who have crossed into the U.S. and reside here without the legal right to do so.

    It's all about political correctness and making them seem "not as bad" as they really are. Like these other terms for instance:

    Undocumented vs. Illegal
    Islamic Extremists vs. Islamic Terrorists
    Insurgence vs. Pro Terrorist fighters
    "Suicide" bombers vs. "Homicide" bombers
    Freedom fighters vs. Murderous Civilian Oppressors
    Terminate vs. Abort
    Questioning vs. Convicting
    Oppose vs. Accuse
    "Protesting" opposing viewpoints vs. "Preventing" opposing viewpoints

    That's just to name a few... Notice that I wrote the phrases on the left or the right for a reason.

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    "reason" while the true MEANING was ORIGINALY meant to be,COOPERATION!?as by your OWNERSHIP definition BECOME!?.......PUKE or die ,live for me or LIE,go away and ......dream!?in death valley!?all salute the KING of texas!?hehe!!and the rulers of GUNLAND!?hehe!!....just askin......the crocdundee!/or mac the KNIFE!?hehe!!disarmemant is a FOOLS GAME?!.....says fearful YOU!?........i heard the WHITEHOUSE is PAYIN BIG to be SHOT by CHENEY!?(numbers thang!?)that darn lawyer TWIT sure caved in QUICK!?(it was ALL my FAULT!?)....aint no EDWARDS wannabes need apply!?com-on back to DAISY MAE'S house while the DUKES fill ya INN!?hehe!!?right!?hehe!!......the general will be pleased!?......
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    It's not the fence we need as much as enforcing existing laws. The joke here is, it's easier for an illegal to get employment then us native sons and daughters. What's the last time anyone heard of an INS raid on a worksite? Been a while, huh?

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