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    'Trouble In Paradise'.

    Will make post here, on occasion, as I hear new material which MAY be
    of interest to any and/or all.

    This is Post #1. in the series of "Trouble In Paradise".
    I use this designation in reference to what the U.S. once was before,
    in some cases, irresponsible government became entrenched.
    Decide for yourself.
    ANd as BiR says: "don't shoot me, I am only the Piano Player!

    item # 1. 10/18/'06. A boater in Florida off of the Gulf Coast was
    speared in the chest by a Spotted Stingray, which jumped out of the
    water as the boat passed its' location, traveled over the boat and
    speared a 67 year old man in the chest. The Rays' barb remained in the
    mans chest, where it penetrated just inches from his heart. He was
    taken to surgery and the barb was sucessfully removed. He will survive
    this incident.
    The Surgeon remarked: " I have never experienced anything like this
    before". [source:CNN News, 10/19/'06]

    item # 2. Hezbalah Terrorist are known to have crossed the borders into
    the U.S.A. It is presently unknown how many have sucessfully done so, to
    date. [source: Cnn News 10/19/'06]

    item 3. Post Office Stamp and other item Vending Machines will be
    phased out in a matter of time. This is due to maintenance considerations
    regarding these machines and cost of this activity. [Source: KLTV,
    Shreveport, La. 10.18/'06].

    my opinion, re: the U.S. Postal Service. My experience when entering
    one of their facilities is that there is usually at least six to eight people
    in line in front of a service counter that has at least a six person
    service manning station. Typically, one or two service stations are
    manned. The processing procedure per customers is seemingly painfully
    slow as the attendants progress in handling package/s is very tedious.
    THese attendants are usually observed to be drull, cheerless and
    inpersonal, like they hate anyone that comes into the facility that
    bothers them, by doing so.
    It seems like a form of torture and misery to even have to approach them.
    I think that somewhere, higher up in the echelon, is some sort of sadistic
    individual [executive, as they are usually referred to] that recently got
    into that position. THis individual that has made the decision to phase out
    the vending machines is of a very sadistic nature. 'They' desire to restore
    MORE pain to customers by forcing the customers to deal with these
    "service" counter attendants, instead of being able to deal with and
    efficient and business-like machine. :rolleyes:

    item #4. At least 45 BILLION DOLLARS of U.S. money is going out of the
    country EVERY YEAR to Mexico, Central and South America. This is money
    paid to "undocumented workers" by their employers. There are at least
    TEN STATES that are experiencing this situation. Taxes are not paid on
    this money, either for income or social security or any worker benfits.
    Also, the money, by being removed from these states is being taken
    out of the economic structure and placing a strain on the states.
    Functioning in this capacity to knowingly transfer this money out of
    the U.S. to the designated foreign entities is being performed by many
    U.S. Banks as well as the Federal Reserve System. [source: CNN News,
    10/19/'06]

    my comment: whose at the 'wheel' in Washington; Nero?

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    Re: 'Trouble In Paradise'.

    Quote Originally Posted by coontie
    item # 1. 10/18/'06. A boater in Florida off of the Gulf Coast was
    speared in the chest by a Spotted Stingray, which jumped out of the
    water as the boat passed its' location, traveled over the boat and
    speared a 67 year old man in the chest. The Rays' barb remained in the
    mans chest, where it penetrated just inches from his heart. He was
    taken to surgery and the barb was sucessfully removed. He will survive
    this incident.
    The Surgeon remarked: " I have never experienced anything like this
    before". [source:CNN News, 10/19/'06]
    Perhaps I'm missing something, but how does this relate at all to the rest of the post?

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    Re: 'Trouble In Paradise'.

    Quote Originally Posted by kazza
    Perhaps I'm missing something, but how does this relate at all to the rest of the post?
    you're right, I thought about that, but included it anyway and left it up folks
    to sort out. It was on my mind as a point of interest. The content itself
    obviously indicated that it was seperate and apart from all the other
    material.
    Sorry if that item p****** you off.
    Anyhow, I thought it was and interesting but rather freaky thing.
    Considering Stever Irwin, it was a sort of repeat - I've heard these things
    come in threes, although I must say that this one had a peculiar twist
    to it and the guy lived.
    What saved his life was someone didn't pull the barb out. They allowed
    a surgeon to remove it. Perhaps, if they had left Steve Irwins in he
    would still be with us. But then.... it is written on the wind now, as are
    many things in the course of human events.
    One observtion regarding your response - I find it interesting here on
    this forum how people repeatedly remove specific items out of an entire
    post and refer to that only and not to the complete material and context.
    In other words: raise that as an issue and come across as somehow being
    offended by that particular item?

    "don't shoot me, I am only the piano player!
    Last edited by coontie; 10-20-2006 at 06:02 AM. Reason: add

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    Re: 'Trouble In Paradise'.

    Quote Originally Posted by coontie
    you're right, I thought about that, but included it anyway and left it up folks
    to sort out. It was on my mind as a point of interest. The content itself
    obviously indicated that it was seperate and apart from all the other
    material.
    Sorry if that item p****** you off.
    Anyhow, I thought it was and interesting but rather freaky thing.
    Considering Stever Irwin, it was a sort of repeat - I've heard these things
    come in threes, although I must say that this one had a peculiar twist
    to it and the guy lived.
    What saved his life was someone didn't pull the barb out. They allowed
    a surgeon to remove it. Perhaps, if they had left Steve Irwins in he
    would still be with us. But then.... it is written on the wind now, as are
    many things in the course of human events.
    One observtion regarding your response - I find it interesting here on
    this forum how people repeatedly remove specific items out of an entire
    post and refer to that only and not to the complete material and context.
    In other words: raise that as an issue and come across as somehow being
    offended by that particular item?

    "don't shoot me, I am only the piano player!
    I only post a proper reply if I feel I have something to contribute. Since I know very little about US policy, economics and postal services I don't really have anything to say. I do enjoy reading about it though, and I posted the above because I thought perhaps I wasn't understanding something. :)

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    Re: 'Trouble In Paradise'.

    Too many people at the wheel, in my opinion, and all of them pulling in a different direction. Our federal government is far too big and has taken away the ability of states and local governments to respond, or even initiate a response to big problems that affect them on a local level. We have a bureaucracy for everything, and the main occupation of a bureaucracy is to perpetuate itself. It seems that has also become the main occupation of politicians. Everyone is so afraid of endangering their jobs (or votes) that they can't do anything decisive and immediately effective. We end up going around and around worrying about who will object or be "offended".

    America used to be about ruthlessly doing what was right for the country and it's people, but our elected representatives no longer represent the people. About a hundred years ago, a foreign ideology was introduced into this country that has caused an ever widening rift in the elected as well as the electorate. The intent of a constitutional republic is to elect representatives of the people (basically the same as hiring administrators) who will weigh the desires of the majority against constitutional principle, decide on what is right, and proceed accordingly. For at least seventy years, this has become less and less so. Politicians now try to "sell" the electorate on their ideas and then figure out how to get around the Constitution in order to implement them. Hence the need to manipulate the Supreme Court, as was first done by FDR (and every President since).

    Politicians now serve their ideology rather than the people. The great French economist Frederic Bastiat wrote derisively about his own country 156 years ago "the relationship between persons and the legislator appears to be the same as the relationship between the clay and the potter". Bastiat praised 1850 America for it's respect of "Life, Faculties, and Production", in other words, individuality, liberty and property, while condemning what he saw as our only two flaws, slavery and the protective tariff.

    Well, we got rid of slavery by means of a bloody political split, but government has now invaded every aspect of our individuality, liberty and property. This is not meant to be partisan in any way. In my opinion, all politicians are guilty of straying from their job as it was originally intended. Can we ever return to "Original Intent"? Don't think so. If our only collective goal is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, dissent and strife are unreasonable and would be seen as such. As we continue to divide people into groups and pit them against one another, it's only going to get worse, probably leading to a another real political split. I just hope it won't be too bloody.

    LS

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    Re: 'Trouble In Paradise'.

    Quote Originally Posted by kazza
    I only post a proper reply if I feel I have something to contribute. Since I know very little about US policy, economics and postal services I don't really have anything to say. I do enjoy reading about it though, and I posted the above because I thought perhaps I wasn't understanding something. :)
    I respect you Kazza, I understand your position and thanks for the
    clarification.
    I have often pondered what the reaction and thoughts were, as well as
    being puzzled, by the individuals not of the U.S.A.
    I would imagine the "Political Forum" really gives people not of the U.S.
    a lot to think about.
    Stay tuned and thanks.
    Perhaps you would care to post here as well and tell us what are some
    of the primary issues at the fore of your country's main concerns these
    days?

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    Re: 'Trouble In Paradise'.

    "Lone Star': I will not quote your post as it is long, I understand
    necessarily to accuately express some of you your personal feelings
    and positions regarding the state of our nation.
    You sound to me, from your words, like the dedicated and patriotic
    American that I care to know and identify. I take heart in knowing that
    there are those out there that still care about and believe in our country
    and the Constitutional precepts: "government for and by the people".
    In order to truly achieve these precepts, some things will have to change:
    - cease politcal campaign contributions.

    - cease lobbying.

    - cease 'tag-ons' or 'rider' bills to be considered and passed, that are
    attached to important and popular issue bills that the people would like to
    see put into law; the 'tag-ons' or 'riders' are unpopular, undesirable
    issues in the eyes of the people, but desired by the wealthy and the
    big corporations.

    - abolish the political party systems. One person, one vote would suffice
    and would allow for the public to be less predictable by the politicans.

    - abolish the 'electorial college' system. There again, as sytem of prediction
    and manipulation of the peoples' will.

    - do not allow our 'National Guard' to be activated to go beyond our
    national shore to foreign countries to fight wars, as we are presently
    so doing. The 'National Guard' should strictly be just that: a military
    outfitted, exercised and fit to defend out nation in the event of a direct
    attack and invasion.
    Fighting battles on foreign soil should be handled by our regular military
    forces, for which it was orginally intended and prepared and outfitted.

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    Re: 'Trouble In Paradise'.

    Agreed, coontie, on most of that. I don't believe doing away with all campaign contributions is necessary or even desirable. In principle, they are free speech. Also, that would contribute to only the very rich (no matter how they got their money) being able to run for office. However, I believe contributions should be limited to individuals, with a cap low enough for the average citizen to be able to have as much say as the wealthy. There should be full disclosure of every cent received by a candidate and severe penalties perhaps including disqualification for non-disclosure. People should elect representatives, not corporations, labor unions, or 527 groups.

    Here's a suggestion: get the Federal government out of every activity to which it is not Constitutionally assigned. Relegate those services that are truly necessary to the states, counties, cities and local communities so that the welfare of the people is back in their own hands and according to their local needs. In my opinion, huge Federal blanket programs are a massive failure, wasteful and rife with fraud. This is a big country, but it is a country of individuals. The "one size fits all" mentality of Federal bureaucracies simply does not work. That would eliminate every national election revolving around who will get the most of what that belongs to someone else. Politicians would have to run on their ability as administrator of their Constitutional duties only, not on how much plunder they are able to hand out. If everyone has the same thing to gain from government, there would be no need to fight over it.

    Repeal all laws designed to protect us from our own actions. They don't really much protect the stupid or irresponsible anyway, but they punish the majority which is responsible and law abiding. This internet gambling ban is a good example. I'm no fan of gambling, but government has no right to deny responsible people the ability to participate in a legal entertainment activity with their own money. It is a violation of property rights.

    I agree with you about the National Guard. That's why it's called National Guard. I would add that the individual state Guards, while being nationally uniform, should never come under the direct command of the President, except perhaps in the case of national survival. The Governors should have sole command of their Guard to be able to respond to their state's particular situation. If a Governor wished to send his Guard to another state, that would be up to him/her.

    LS

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    Agreed regarding the State Gurads Military organizations. The Governors of
    the states should have supreme authority. This is supposedly protected under
    States Rights.

    As for the so called campaign contributions, I have always thought, felt it
    VERy POSSIBLE that money that is termed: "contributions" when given
    by any source; usually wealthy indiviuduals or corporations, that these
    individuals do not take lightly 'giving' money to anyone. So I say, what are
    they seeking to buy?
    Same is true of Lobbyist. Paying money, wining, dining, other favors,
    [yeah, I know they are not supposed to accept gratutites, but...] what
    are they buying?
    Some answers to such speculative questions might very well be answered
    by looking at who is being awarded contracts for aircraft, vehicles and
    armament and munitons, clothing, etc. in the Military-Industrial COmplex.
    Shoot! these indivduals and concerns make NO money while the
    nations at peace, so guess what? Where can a war be provoked, some
    real action to make some real money!
    It is suggested that some lobbying does the public good, that worthwhile
    and beneficial public laws and programs emerge from such activity.
    Well, I think there is more harm than good done to the public through
    this arrangement. And besides, why shoul politicans be persuaded, cajoled
    into performing duties and focusing concerns on issues that benefit the
    public when, after all, that is what they are sworn into office to
    do in the first place?
    Last edited by coontie; 10-22-2006 at 02:39 AM. Reason: sp.

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