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  1. #177
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    Re: Paying Income Tax. The biggest SCAM!

    Quote Originally Posted by The Last Man
    Maybe you missed the fact that definitions of terms like Secretary and United States are shifting within Title 26.
    "shifting"???

    You mean you are concerned that in some places the word "Secretary" is used and in others the phrase "United States" is used? Why would that concern you?

    As for the 16th Amendment, you provided a lengthy and inaccurate reponse to my pointing out that your explicit claim that the 16th Amendment defines "income" was incorrect. I provided the exact language of the 16th Amendment, where does it define income? It doesn't.

    Of course the Constitution can "conflict" with itself. Amendments can amend the Constitution and there is no requirement that Amendments not be in conflict with other provisions. The 16th Amendment certainly did change the Constitution as it overcame the Supreme Court's ruling in Pollack.

    The US Supreme Court did not say in 1916 that the 16th Amendment did not alter the Constitution. You, again, are making things up (just like your claim that the 16th Amendment defines income).

    As for your claim that Doyle v Mitchell, I'm highly amused that your quote failed to include the next sentence:

    ''Income may be defined as the gain derived from capital, from labor, or from both combined.' "

    As usual, you pick and choose, pull sentences out and use them out of context. Your chosen quote, in context, was the Supreme Court stating that Mitchell was wrong in claiming they had no income from their timber cutting. Mitchell's position was that they were allowed to adjust the cost basis of their property as of the date of the enactment of the new tax provision and the government's position was that they were not.

    The Supreme Court said Mitchell was wrong. Really no different than if you had a capital gain and tried to adjust the cost basis because the tax rates had changed during the years you had held the property.

    But thanks for showing, once again, you complete dishonesty. To falsely claim that the Supreme Court defined income in Doyle v Mitchell as "gain or increase arising from corporate activities" when the VERY NEXT SENTENCE in the ruling made it perfectly clear that they DID NOT defined income as you claim they did exposes you as either an idiot who hasn't actually read the ruling or dishonest.

    I suspect you haven't really read any of the rulings you selectively quote from.

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    Re: Paying Income Tax. The biggest SCAM!

    Quote Originally Posted by The Last Man
    After the Supreme Court decision, the office of the Commissioner of Internal Revenue issued Treasury Decision [Order] 2313 (dated March 21, 1916; Vol. 18, January-December, 1916, page 53.) It states in part; "...it is hereby held that income accruing to nonresident aliens in the form of interest from the bonds and dividends on the stock of domestic change corporations[federal] is subject to the income tax imposed by the act of October 3, 1913." 16
    If you or I were nonresident aliens that might be interesting.

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    Re: Paying Income Tax. The biggest SCAM!

    Let's see if we can summarize The Last Man's recent false statements:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Last Man
    The U.S. Supreme Court said in 1916 that the 16th Amendment did not change the U.S. Constitution
    The US Supreme Court has never said that the 16th Amendment did not change the US Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Last Man
    As for the definition of income, the U.S. Supreme Court made the clear and unequivocal statement: "Whatever difficulty there may be about a precise and scientific definition of 'income,' it imports, as used here, something entirely distinct from principal or capital either as a subject of taxation or as a measure of the tax; conveying rather the idea of gain or increase arising from corporate activities. DOYLE v. MITCHELL BROS. CO. , 247 U.S. 179, 185 (1918).
    What The Last Man calls a "clear and unequivocal statement" ignores three words "as used here". Doyle v Mitchell was a case involving corporate income. Further, The Last Man and all the other tax protesters who quote the above verbiage forget to include the very next sentence in that decision which reads:

    Income may be defined as the gain derived from capital, from labor, or from both combined.
    The Last Man cannot point to a single court case supporting his misconception about Doyle v Mitchell because, unlike The Last Man, courts don't take single, selective, sentences out of context.

    The Last Man also made the claim that:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Last Man
    As you will learn later, "income" is defined by the Sixteenth Amendment as "corporate profit".
    Here is what the 16th Amendment says in its entirety:

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
    Anyone see a definition of income in there?

    Instead of moving on to your next batch of false statements that have been roundly rejected by the courts, why don't you (The Last Man) address the three false statements you've made, above?

    Thanks again
    Last edited by thetruthbetold; 08-22-2007 at 07:19 PM.

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    Re: Paying Income Tax. The biggest SCAM!

    Quote Originally Posted by bkamanski
    It is time for a TAX REVOLT in this country! The government is the problem, not the solution! I am for a TITHE system. It works great for the church. I will happily give 10% of my earnings.

    Ok, but I don't usually pay 10% of earnings, so I will happily pay 5%. You pay 10.....I pay 5.......works for me!

    By the way, what exactly is the definition of earnings?

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    Re: Paying Income Tax. The biggest SCAM!

    The income tax is held in place by fraud and deception. This is true. You have to dig very deep, but you can find the truth.

    From the Handbook for Special Agents, page 9781-51, 334.112
    The Individual Master File Section:

    "(1) The Individual Master File is a magnetic tape record of all individual income tax filers in Social Security Number sequence, an dis maintained at the National Computer Center.

    The Individual Master File is designed to accumulate in each taxpayer's account all data pertaining to the income taxes for which the taxpayer is liable. (Gets tricky when you start chasing down the definitions for exactly who is a "taxpayer" and who is "liable" for what)

    The taxpayer information stored in the master computer for each IMF may be understood only by a careful and tedious process of decoding by references to the explanations contained in the IRS 6209 Manual, IMF Operations Manual, Law Enforcement Manual, and several other manuals published by the Service for the instruction and guidance of its personnel."

    This creates a prime facie case against you in court, because the IRS takes these Individual Master Files in against you.

    Prime facie cases must be REBUTTED.

    The IMF files are a "Rebuttable Presumption" in the law of evidence.

    If you do not rebut them, they are said to have "Presumptive Correctness" in any court action against you.

    Why is this important? Because the courts have already ruled on the matter:

    "Government prevails in challenge to individual’s appeals hearing in which master file transcripts were considered at hearing instead of tax returns." - Stanifird v. Wilcox et al. 87 AFTR2d Par. 2001-1058 June 12, 2001.

    Decode your IMF and you will find the truth. Listen to the former chief of the IRS's Freedom of Information Act branch:

    "The overwhelming majority of taxpayers appear to be perfectly willing to face serious adverse action without bothering to make any significant effort to learn what the agency knows about them or how they came to be in that situation. In fact, even subjects of major criminal investigation seldom bother to make such inquiries, apparently being willing to face trial and risk imprisonment without writing a simple letter which could produce information which could literally save their freedom.”


    - Marcus Farbenblum, Chief of the Freedom of Information Branch, IRS National Office, from his book, “The I.R.S. and the Freedom of Information and Privacy Act of 1974,” regarding FOIA requests

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    Re: Paying Income Tax. The biggest SCAM!

    Quote Originally Posted by thetruthbetold View Post
    If you or I were nonresident aliens that might be interesting.
    You only think you know what you're talking about... I think the last man has you pegged. You're either a tax attorney or a shill. Your lies are refuted here:

    http://sedm.org/LibertyU/Taxes.pdf

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    Re: Paying Income Tax. The biggest SCAM!

    The best source of information about the federal income tax-what it really is and who it really applies to-is the book "Cracking the Code - The Fascinating Truth About Taxation In America", by Peter Hendrickson, and his website http://www.losthorizons.com

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