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    Freedom Finanical Group- FFC

    Hi All,

    I somehow came across this website and am trying to dig up some information on them. If anyone has used this service successfully, I would sure love to hear from you.

    www.debtfreeffg.com

    Any comments welcome.

    Onlinediva

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    Re: Freedom Finanical Group- FFC

    Wow, 56 views and no responses? I can't believe there is not one person that has dug up some dirt. I went on the conference call last night and I am amazed.
    10 bucks to be a consultant, they, I turned in my form and will be out of debt before I am 36! Not to many people can say that.
    Becky

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    Re: Freedom Finanical Group- FFC

    Anyone heard of K2 Unlimited, Inc. in Mass? Just checking on their ability to lend using a Financial Guarantee Bond (FGB) to fund large real estate projects. Thank you for your help.
    dontscam

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    Re: Freedom Finanical Group- FFC

    Freedom financial group is a scam they are link to csiglobal.net many of there sponsors are pushing this they were part of Redwoodtrust who was part of this whole scam ring


    goto mortgages on scam.com and look for csi barnette and associates

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    Re: Freedom Finanical Group- FFC

    Regarding CSI and Freedom Financial Group FFG.. anyone have REAL DOCUMENTATION showing they are LINKED ?? I need to know positively if FFG is a scam or real. I don't want anyone's hear say. Hear say is just that. PROOF is what people need. They claim the mother company FFInternatioal has been in business for 20 yrs with over 50,000 happy clients. FFG is only the marketing component for FFInternational. FFG aquired a person's financial situation information. The paperwork is turned over to FFI who reviews and gives the debtor their Free Financial Plan of action and discusses the debtors options of their choice and shows them what they can do. No Cost to client.

    Even upon a client choosing an option the costs are placed within the plan. Websites does state cost of $500 to get started on 2 of the 8 options however this won't be the case very soon as even this is being placed into the plan itself. Thus they are wishing no cost to their clients to get started.

    This is the site that was sent to me. http://www.goodbyedebt.debtfreeffg.com/

    Now, I have searched this forum The Financial Freedom Group FFG Thread and the CSI Thread. In the CSI section I read all 6 pages and found no linking of the 2. IF sponsors are promoting both this does NOT mean they are linked. I promote many programs out there and none of them are LINKED !

    Over on the Financial Freedom Group Thread only 1 person tells us to look at the CSI Thread but in my doing this I only found comments regarding Mike B. AND people going back and forth regarding this subject. I have found no proof yet, documentation that they are LINKED. anyone? have documentation? or feedback that's backed up with Real Proof? REAL DOCUMENTATION?

    20 YRS and over 50,000 happy clients.. the site says they are NOT debt negotiators, NOT debt consolidators, NOT credit consellors, NOT financial planners. They ASSIST people in totally get out of debt. How? the "How it Works" video shows what they do.

    AGAIN I want DOCUMENTED PROOF ONLY that they are a SCAM? or LINKED? to csi. I don't want hear say.

    Anyone?? and Thanking you Advance

    dustygirl

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    Re: Freedom Finanical Group- FFC

    I can not prove that they are linked, but after reading from debtfreeffg.com pages I am starting to smell something fishy.

    1)Registered "Domain by Proxy"-they do not want to be found.
    2)No phone or street address on webpage-what real financial org has only email contact?
    3)
    Q. How much does this service cost?
    A. A better question is "how much will it cost me to NOT do this program."
    I do not like this answer at all.
    4)
    Q. How do you achieve such amazing results?
    A. Our system takes the same money you're already spending and does a comprehensive audit of your current debts and payment schedules then recalculates those payments to your advantage rather than the lenders.
    If you look hard enough you will find free calculators on the web that will do the same job.

    5)They do not do debt consolidation and do not do negotiations with lenders - In conjunction with my point #4 why then would you pay them?

    Conclusion) May not be 100% scam, although I suspect it is, but it is totally useless.

    If you even have smallest suspicion that debt-reducing "program" can do you wrong, do not get involved. It can ruin your credit just like that.

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    Re: Freedom Finanical Group- FFC

    Their website claims they are "Insured by the FDIC". A search of the FDIC licensing database returns a "we can find no FDIC insured institution in our database" as of 12/7/06

    They are contravening law if they claim to be Federally Insured and they are not.

    If you want to do your own search click here
    Last edited by ilshu1; 12-14-2006 at 03:30 AM.

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    Re: Freedom Finanical Group- FFC

    Quote Originally Posted by ilshu1
    Unmatched Security. Every client transaction under the Debt Elimination plans administered by the TPA are insured by the FDIC. [/URL]
    Only Banks account for up to $100,000 are ensured by FDIC for what I know.
    Last edited by borisf96; 12-14-2006 at 09:20 AM.

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    Re: Freedom Finanical Group- FFC

    I did a few searches for this company using the phrases "Freedom Financial Group" and "FFG" and then again with the term "scam" at the end. I was linked back to here and also to ripoffreport dot com but that was all I could find on the scam end of it. However, I did not find one...not even a single rave or positive post where someone said they had been helped by these folks. I did find a gazillion job ads posted all over the place both in online venues like Monster and in online newspapers. Their website is not professional and really raises a lot of warnings to me. They don't have any sort of email or contact phone number, amongst other things.

    Like the CSI site, it has me running the other way.

    As far as I can tell, they wouldn't be able to be FDIC insured, so that's a big lie right there.

    And on a final note, you can do yourself what these people claim they can do. Placing your finances in the hands of someone else, especially without having very much information on these folks, isn't really the smartest thing to do.

    You really can't make a decision based solely what you read on the website because they can tell you whatever they want. They can tell you 50,000 satisfied customers but, really, how do you know that's true? Try to find some of these customers somewhere other than on their website. I tried "freedom Financial Group Reviews" as a search and couldn't find anything--not a single one. Don't ever trust testimonials unless they are from an outside, non-bias source.

    Just because you can't find anywhere that proves without a doubt they are a scam means nothing. You have to search the other end of things, as well, like proof that they are NOT a scam.
    Last edited by Luvs5rugrats; 12-14-2006 at 04:59 PM.

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    Re: Freedom Finanical Group- FFC

    why don't you ask this group for some documentation. That group is the one trying to sell you something with all their claims not the other way around. You can always sendd them your money and wait.


    Why don't you ask them if this group used to sell : "International Commercial Claim Within the Admiralty Administrative Remedies" to people who previously had, but no longer have, personal property secured loans. The Dorean Group also got involved in this scam. ALL these people just move from one product to another. They know nothing about the products they sell, they just repeat whatever script they are told. Their product is people. YOU.

    The "program" they sold for 2+ years ($2500 up front) was based on the idea that the banks violated all sorts of undescribed rules when making the now-paid-off loan, that the person making the claim is entitled to millions of dollars as a result, and that by failing to respond to the notice the financial institution is "admitting" the allegations. (That description makes it sound much more coherent than it really is.) You can see one of these things online at http://intl-assoc-of-csists.org/notice.htm . They claimed third world countries were buying these judgments. All they did was collect money from people ($2500 up front). Now it appears they are selling this.

    Contact the company behind this deal and ask questions. It's your money





    Quote Originally Posted by dustygirl
    Regarding CSI and Freedom Financial Group FFG.. anyone have REAL DOCUMENTATION showing they are LINKED ?? I need to know positively if FFG is a scam or real. I don't want anyone's hear say. Hear say is just that. PROOF is what people need. They claim the mother company FFInternatioal has been in business for 20 yrs with over 50,000 happy clients. FFG is only the marketing component for FFInternational. FFG aquired a person's financial situation information. The paperwork is turned over to FFI who reviews and gives the debtor their Free Financial Plan of action and discusses the debtors options of their choice and shows them what they can do. No Cost to client.

    Even upon a client choosing an option the costs are placed within the plan. Websites does state cost of $500 to get started on 2 of the 8 options however this won't be the case very soon as even this is being placed into the plan itself. Thus they are wishing no cost to their clients to get started.

    This is the site that was sent to me. http://www.goodbyedebt.debtfreeffg.com/

    Now, I have searched this forum The Financial Freedom Group FFG Thread and the CSI Thread. In the CSI section I read all 6 pages and found no linking of the 2. IF sponsors are promoting both this does NOT mean they are linked. I promote many programs out there and none of them are LINKED !

    Over on the Financial Freedom Group Thread only 1 person tells us to look at the CSI Thread but in my doing this I only found comments regarding Mike B. AND people going back and forth regarding this subject. I have found no proof yet, documentation that they are LINKED. anyone? have documentation? or feedback that's backed up with Real Proof? REAL DOCUMENTATION?

    20 YRS and over 50,000 happy clients.. the site says they are NOT debt negotiators, NOT debt consolidators, NOT credit consellors, NOT financial planners. They ASSIST people in totally get out of debt. How? the "How it Works" video shows what they do.

    AGAIN I want DOCUMENTED PROOF ONLY that they are a SCAM? or LINKED? to csi. I don't want hear say.

    Anyone?? and Thanking you Advance

    dustygirl

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    Re: Freedom Finanical Group- FFC

    Quote Originally Posted by dustygirl
    Regarding CSI and Freedom Financial Group FFG.. anyone have REAL DOCUMENTATION showing they are LINKED ?? I need to know positively if FFG is a scam or real. I don't want anyone's hear say. Hear say is just that. PROOF is what people need. They claim the mother company FFInternatioal has been in business for 20 yrs with over 50,000 happy clients. FFG is only the marketing component for FFInternational. FFG aquired a person's financial situation information. The paperwork is turned over to FFI who reviews and gives the debtor their Free Financial Plan of action and discusses the debtors options of their choice and shows them what they can do. No Cost to client.

    Even upon a client choosing an option the costs are placed within the plan. Websites does state cost of $500 to get started on 2 of the 8 options however this won't be the case very soon as even this is being placed into the plan itself. Thus they are wishing no cost to their clients to get started.

    This is the site that was sent to me. http://www.goodbyedebt.debtfreeffg.com/

    Now, I have searched this forum The Financial Freedom Group FFG Thread and the CSI Thread. In the CSI section I read all 6 pages and found no linking of the 2. IF sponsors are promoting both this does NOT mean they are linked. I promote many programs out there and none of them are LINKED !

    Over on the Financial Freedom Group Thread only 1 person tells us to look at the CSI Thread but in my doing this I only found comments regarding Mike B. AND people going back and forth regarding this subject. I have found no proof yet, documentation that they are LINKED. anyone? have documentation? or feedback that's backed up with Real Proof? REAL DOCUMENTATION?

    20 YRS and over 50,000 happy clients.. the site says they are NOT debt negotiators, NOT debt consolidators, NOT credit consellors, NOT financial planners. They ASSIST people in totally get out of debt. How? the "How it Works" video shows what they do.

    AGAIN I want DOCUMENTED PROOF ONLY that they are a SCAM? or LINKED? to csi. I don't want hear say.

    Anyone?? and Thanking you Advance

    dustygirl
    Here check out this deal. mentions Travelocity Wall Street Journal, voted no. 1 home based opp etc.. sounds pretty good. It is run by Guy Santermo, formerly of the Dorean Group, USA. He operates out of Panama now. Things gota litttle warm in the States for him You can wait for documentation or you can as Guy would much prefer you do, send him money.

    This email is sent/spammed to people by Guy from Panama .


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    Re: Freedom Finanical Group- FFC

    A friend called me this morning about this Freedom Financial Group-ffg.You might go to Securities Exchange Commission site :(I found this through google) : www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/33-8426.htm. From what I can determine,it seems they may have been in some trouble with them. If someone 'reads' differently, please post it.
    But until I learn otherwise......I'm going to stay away from this

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    Re: Freedom Finanical Group- FFC

    now they are promoting Finacial Freedom group thereis a forum on here at scam.com The website is poor quality no contact numbers and they lied about being insured. another scam people dont fall for it

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    Re: Freedom Finanical Group- FFC

    it's a scam. and there is a thread on a company called freedom financial (and it wasn't their clients financial freedom they were talking about either) . That group sold $2500 memberships to eliminate all your debt via admiralty law international judgments they claimed foreign banks were buying . they never did anything save collect membership fees for themselves . The post I put up above about Guy Santermo, formely of indicted Dorean debt elimination group USA, now of the republic of Panama :

    Oh by the way, here is a little info on our company...

    * Awarded 2006 #1 Best Home Based Business Opportunity
    * 5 year old Publicly Traded Company
    * Awarded Top 30 Small Publicly traded company
    * Wall St. Journal's - "Hot Stock To Watch" Pick
    * Best, most lucrative compensation - pays weekly
    * Free Medical, Dental & Life Insurance

    the link they posted now refers you to a page saying that link has been reported as spam, just the way a "Wall Street Journal Top Hot Pick" operates.

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    Re: Freedom Finanical Group- FFC

    Quote Originally Posted by hakeemrahshad
    now they are promoting Finacial Freedom group thereis a forum on here at scam.com The website is poor quality no contact numbers and they lied about being insured. another scam people dont fall for it
    As pointed out by hakeem, no phone number, no address, even the WhoIS info (website registration) is private:
    Registrant:
    Domains by Proxy, Inc.
    DomainsByProxy.com
    15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
    Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
    United States

    Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
    Domain Name: DEBTFREEFFG.COM
    Created on: 20-Apr-06
    Expires on: 20-Apr-07
    Not only is there no way to tell who owns this website, or where they are located,, but it is also only registered for one year.

    I also did a quick Google search for "debifreeffg" (remove quote) and got 700 some returns. Most of the hits just go to ads or links back to
    http://www.debtfreeffg.com/index.php

    Did find some contact info;
    http://ww1.classroomclassifieds.com/js/mi/1908296.html
    Andrea Das
    Freedom Financial Group
    andreadas1 @ yahoo.com (edited, remove spaces)
    www.andreadas.debtfreeffg.com
    818-998-0125
    http://worcester.craigslist.org/sls/274756594.html
    Reply to: debtfreeffg2041 @ yahoo.com (edited by me,remove spaces)
    Date: 2007-02-07, 7:35AM EST
    I checked a couple dozen of the links and all (two exceptions see below) were dating within the last year and used a free yahoo.com e-mail account.

    Exceptions;
    (1.)http://washington-press-release.com/...ith%20debt.php
    If you wish to learn more about FFG\'s client services or would like info on becoming
    an agent, please contact Mathew at info@innovativewealth.com or visit
    http://iwsllc.debtfreeffg.com .
    Web Site = http://iwsllc.debtfreeffg.com
    Contact Details = Mathew Butka
    Agent #1769
    info@innovativewealthllc.com
    WhoIs for innovativewealthllc.com , Note: URL leads back too http://iwsllc.debtfreeffg.com/
    registrant-firstname: Oneandone
    registrant-lastname: Private Registration
    registrant-organization: 1&1 Internet, Inc. - http://1and1.com/contact
    registrant-street1: 701 Lee Road, Suite 300
    registrant-street2: ATTN: innovativewealthllc.com
    registrant-pcode: 19087
    registrant-state: PA
    registrant-city: Chesterbrook
    registrant-ccode: US
    registrant-phone: +1.8772064254
    domain: innovativewealthllc.com
    created: 14-Oct-2006
    last-changed: 14-Oct-2006
    registration-expiration: 14-Oct-2007
    Again, private registration and only registered for one year.

    (2.)http://tapbin.com/ffgnw.htm
    Welcome to
    Freedom Financial Group
    NorthWest
    Let FREEDOM FINANCIAL GROUP Completely Eliminate All Of Your Debt
    1-866-663-2866/360-674-8218
    WhoIs for ffgnw.com;
    Registrant:
    TapBin Diversity
    7668 Oak Park Place NW
    Bremerton, Washington 98311
    United States
    Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
    Domain Name: FFGNW.COM
    Created on: 19-May-06
    Expires on: 19-May-07
    Last Updated on: 19-May-06
    Administrative Contact:
    Peterson, Troy tapbin @ hotmail.com (edited, remove spaces)
    TapBin Diversity
    7668 Oak Park Place NW
    Bremerton, Washington 98311
    United States
    (360) 698-3513 Fax -- (781) 846-7989
    Again, one year registration, free hotmail e-mail account, but using Whitepages.com reverse address look-up this address and phone number can be verified as;
    Peterson, Troy
    7668 Oak Park Pl NW
    Bremerton, WA 98311-9175
    (360) 698-3513
    None of the three websites can be found with the BBB. so I can find no evidence that any of them have been in operation for more then a year. This is also supported by this statement;
    http://washington-press-release.com/...ith%20debt.php
    Released on = November 29, 2006, 6:29 pm
    “We are looking for leaders, self-starters, and entrepreneurs not afraid of
    success,” says Mathew. “Once we have found our leaders, then we will focus on
    client acquisition.”
    NOTE: The reason for editing the e-mail's is that this is a public forum, therefore e-mail harvesters can crawl though the forum and retrieve the address. :)
    Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science. -C. Darwin

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    Re: Freedom Finanical Group- FFC

    I called one of the agents of the ffg, and they conveyed they are only the marketing arm of the program.

    They only have been around for over one year.

    However they represent a financial company who does all the financing who has been in business for 21 years and does have all these good ratings with the bbb etc.

    The law suit filed that many are referring to is not them. It sounds like ffg, but in fact is not ffg.

    I will be in the process of contacting the actual company ffg is promoting. Apparently this bank or financial institution hired ffg to promote them. Possibly because they have a wide range of reach and no overhead costs etc.

    Have I missed anything in this regard? I am not endorsing them, just fact finding, and this far is what I discovered speaking with one of the ffg agents.

    Razor

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