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  1. #49
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    Re: America Struggles With Its Own Evangelical Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by AnarchicOldGit
    I have never been anti-God. I suppose I am anti-Christian, because Christianity is a load of Bollox. Nothing in it adds up.

    Example:

    "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room (or closet.) and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret..." (Matthew 6:5-6)

    Christians continuously pray in public, IE: churches, street corners, schools, courts, etc. yet all the while they never stop to think this is in direct violation to the God they pray to.

    Example:

    “Judge not, that ye be not judged” (Matthew 7:1) and “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged, condemn not and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven” (Luke 6:37)

    You do a lot of Judging Ronald.

    Kill means Kill, and the Bible is full of contradictions, because it was written by men. Men who wanted to control other men.

    Religion is control.

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    For the meaning of judgment, refer to Judgment Day. What happens then? God selects certain people for Heaven, and others who are CONDEMNED. Notice I bolded that word for you above.

    But what does it mean to rebuke? Does it not mean to vocalizing when someone is doing something wrong, to point out their intentions? This is an honest action, and it is done for the greater good.

    Had I judged someone, say dchristie, I would have said: "You're going to burn in Hell. You're no good, and you're beyond the salvation of Christ." That's judgment, not to be confused with a rebuke.

    But dchristie judged me, and said that I would burn in hell, but you don't seem to pay any attention to that.

    There is much that seems like contradiction in the Bible, but if you understand what is being said, you will see they are brilliant paradoxes, searching the intention of the heart, not contradicting at all. They are instead like a double edged sword, working side by side together.

    Those who DELIBERATELY act showy by praying in public, that's what the action condemned. It doesn't condemn those who bow their heads and engage in corporate prayers. It condemns who drop to their knees on street corners to be seen by men, not God.

    If your heart remains stern and hard, if you continue to try and tear down God because for whatever reason or feeling that drives you, you'll miss the wisdom. You'll miss the message.

    But if you can let go of your anger, of your past disappointments, and if you can raise questions without dismissing immediately, then there is hope for you. And I honestly sense some part of you somewhere in there looking for truth, not just this intention to tear down the church.

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    Re: America Struggles With Its Own Evangelical Taliban

    Birth Pangs of a New Christian Zionism

    by MAX BLUMENTHAL

    [posted online on August 8, 2006]

    Washington, DC

    Over the past months, the White House has convened a series of off-the-record meetings about its policies in the Middle East with leaders of Christians United for Israel (CUFI), a newly formed political organization that tells its members that supporting Israel's expansionist policies is "a biblical imperative." CUFI's Washington lobbyist, David Brog, told me that during the meetings, CUFI representatives pressed White House officials to adopt a more confrontational posture toward Iran, refuse aid to the Palestinians and give Israel a free hand as it ramped up its military conflict with Hezbollah.

    The White House instructed Brog not to reveal the names of officials he met with, Brog said.

    CUFI's advice to the Bush Administration reflects the Armageddon-based foreign-policy views of its founder, John Hagee. Hagee is a fire-and-brimstone preacher from San Antonio who commands the nearly 18,000-member Cornerstone Church and hosts a major TV ministry where he explains to millions of viewers how the end times will unfold. He is also the author of numerous bestselling pulp-prophecy books, like his recent Jerusalem Countdown, in which he cites various unnamed Israeli intelligence sources to claim that Iran is producing nuclear "suitcase bombs." The only way to defeat the Iranian evildoers, he says, is a full-scale military assault.

    "The coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty," Hagee wrote this year in the Pentecostal magazine Charisma. "Israel and America must confront Iran's nuclear ability and willingness to destroy Israel with nuclear weapons. For Israel to wait is to risk committing national suicide."

    Despite his penchant for extreme rhetoric, or perhaps because of it, Hagee endeared himself to key members of the Israeli right. With the help of former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who once spoke at a massive pro-Israel fundraiser at Cornerstone Church, Hagee has raised at least $8.5 million for Israeli social work projects. And as a result of Hagee's influence in the Lone Star State, reflected by his enormous wealth--he reportedly rakes in more than $1 million a year from his television ministry--and his close relationship with the previously omnipotent and now disgraced former House majority leader Tom DeLay, Washington's Republican leadership is just a phone call away.

    Hagee recently united America's largest Christian Zionist congregations and some of the movement's most prominent figures--including the Rev. Jerry Falwell, Gary Bauer and Rod Parsley, an Ohio preacher instrumental in launching Republican Ken Blackwell's gubernatorial campaign--under the banner of CUFI, creating the first and only nationwide evangelical political organization dedicated to supporting Israel. Hagee says he would like to see CUFI become "the Christian version of AIPAC," referring to the vaunted pro-Israel group rated second only to the National Rifle Association as the most effective lobby in Washington.

    But while Hagee is the public face of CUFI, he remains tethered to his ministry in the Texas plains, far from the wheeling and dealing of inside-the-Beltway culture. To advance his agenda on the Hill, Hagee has tapped David Brog, a seasoned and articulate lawyer who has been Republican Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter's chief of staff, and who boasts myriad connections in Republican Washington. Besides Brog's political acumen, there was another characteristic Hagee found appealing: He is Jewish.
    http://www.thenation.com/doc/2006081...istian_zionism

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    Re: America Struggles With Its Own Evangelical Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald
    For the meaning of judgment, refer to Judgment Day. What happens then? God selects certain people for Heaven, and others who are CONDEMNED. Notice I bolded that word for you above.

    But what does it mean to rebuke? Does it not mean to vocalizing when someone is doing something wrong, to point out their intentions? This is an honest action, and it is done for the greater good.

    You look at condemn to mean rebuke. When a person is condemned to death. I'm sure he doesn't think "It's only a rebuke". No he has been Judged.

    Had I judged someone, say dchristie, I would have said: "You're going to burn in Hell. You're no good, and you're beyond the salvation of Christ." That's judgment, not to be confused with a rebuke.

    But dchristie judged me, and said that I would burn in hell, but you don't seem to pay any attention to that.

    Dchristie has no time for the Bible. Therefore, whatever is in it means nothing to him.

    There is much that seems like contradiction in the Bible, but if you understand what is being said, you will see they are brilliant paradoxes, searching the intention of the heart, not contradicting at all. They are instead like a double edged sword, working side by side together.

    Those who DELIBERATELY act showy by praying in public, that's what the action condemned. It doesn't condemn those who bow their heads and engage in corporate prayers. It condemns who drop to their knees on street corners to be seen by men, not God.

    Seems to me American religion lives in the middle States (Heartland?) and I have seen their Church Services, or should I say Church Extravaganzas. The Bible says to pray in private. Spreading the word of God does not mean to pray in a church, to show people how pious you are. Spreading the word of God means talking to people you happen to meet as you pass through life.

    If your heart remains stern and hard, if you continue to try and tear down God because for whatever reason or feeling that drives you, you'll miss the wisdom. You'll miss the message.

    I am not tearing down God. I am tearing at the Bible, questioning it, because I think it is a book that ridicules God. Surely I am not questioning God, I see myself as questioning the hypocrasy of man.

    But if you can let go of your anger, of your past disappointments, and if you can raise questions without dismissing immediately, then there is hope for you. And I honestly sense some part of you somewhere in there looking for truth, not just this intention to tear down the church.

    I am looking for truth Ronald, I have been for 50 years. Yes I do want to tear down the Church. Beleif in a God should be personal thing, not something that is foisted on a person to gain control over him or her. If you beleive in God, why do you need a Church?

    I have no anger in me.
    If the Bible is our moral guide, then how can it make pornographic statements such as: “...they may eat their own dung and drink their own piss with you” (2 Kings 18:27)?

    Also consult Numbers 31 where a whole tribe of people, including the elderly and children are slaughtered. The only survivors were the virginal women, who were later raped by the “just and perfect” Moses and his men. Is that what you want your children reading on Sunday?

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    Re: America Struggles With Its Own Evangelical Taliban

    Public Stoning: Not Just for the Taliban Anymore


    By John Sugg, Church and State
    Posted on August 15, 2006, Printed on August 23, 2006
    http://www.alternet.org/story/40318/

    Two really devilish guys materialized in Toccoa, Ga., last month to harangue 600 true believers on the gospel of a thoroughly theocratic America. Along with lesser lights of the religious far right who spoke at American Vision's "Worldview Super Conference 2006," Herb Titus and Gary North called for nothing short of the overthrow of the United States of America.

    Titus and North aren't household names. But Titus, former dean of TV preacher Pat Robertson's Regent University law school, has led the legal battle to plant the Ten Commandants in county courthouses across the nation. North, an apostle of the creed called Christian Reconstructionism, is one of the most influential elders of American fundamentalism.

    "I don't want to capture their (mainstream Americans') system. I want to replace it," fumed North to a cheering audience. North has called for the stoning of gays and nonbelievers (rocks are cheap and plentiful, he has observed). Both friends and foes label him "Scary Gary."
    ………………..
    Like North, Titus sees public education as decidedly satanic. Also, welfare. He contended the Founding Fathers -- and Americans today -- owe their "first duties to God. It's not just worship. It's education... welfare to the poor. Welfare belongs exclusively to God. Why do schools fail? They're trying to do the business of God. Medicaid goes. Education goes. The church gets back to doing what it should do." And what should the church be doing According to these self-appointed arbiters of God's will, running our lives. And stoning those who disagree.
    Cont at link……….
    © 2006 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
    View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/40318/

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    Re: America Struggles With Its Own Evangelical Taliban

    Church Teacher Fired for Being Female
    Pastor Dismisses 81-Year-Old Sunday School Teacher, Quoting Bible
    By DAN HARRIS

    Aug. 21, 2006 — - After 54 years of classes, a New York Sunday school teacher is getting an unexpected lesson in theology: She lost her job because of her sex…………

    ABCNews.com's Nancy Chandross contributed to this report.
    Copyright © 2006 ABC News Internet Ventures

    http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2339673&page=1

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