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    Roulette Professional v2.0

    Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone knows where I can download this program, I've been trying to find it in Emule (VeryCD), NewNova, IsoHunt, Bearshare, torrentspy, meganova, bitenova, in several forums (Google), and recently I have to search in Giganews.com, and NewsBin Pro (NewsGroups) etc....Does some one knows where I can find it, or a Demo Version. I want to know if some one has experienced before, Is it GOOD? Or it sucks? This is the web page where you can find it, you need to buy it --------->
    http://www.winthebet.com.

    What I like of this software is that it tells you where do you have to bet, for example $1 on RED or $1 on BLACK, this is for online casinos, look what ir says-----> Roulette Professionals proprietary interface remains open and active while you play with any online casino. As Roulette Professional begins to recognize unique mathematical patterns, the software will begin to track, recognize, and predict upcoming spins so that you are always in the know!. Predicts upcoming spins with superior accuracy. Its sounds great, I think you have to record like 2000 spins or something like that, I mean you record everyspin you are playing and then the softwares starts to do predictions. Just imagine how much you can make, even if is not a full accuracy all the time but almost all the time. you can beat the casino. For example lets say you have put 3000 or 4000 spins and then it tell you where to bet (RED or BLACK). Example-----RED (was right), RED (was right), BLACK (it was wrong), Black (was right), RED (was right), Black (was right), RED (it was wrong), Black (was right) Black (was right), Red (was right), see what I mean you win more than you lose, I hope this software can do this, and I think it can :). Plz if some one have this software or have try it before and can tell me if it works or not, because if it works , I will earn some money to buy it, but if not I dont want to waste $99.95 its a lot of money you know, that the price for the software $99.95. You can see some pictures of the software in their webpage ------> http://www.winthebet.com. I think this software is the real deal so any kind of information it would be aprecciated :) Tanks to all :p Note: sorry for the gramatical mistakes, I am not from USA (but I went, lol , Buffalo one time)

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    Re: Roulette Professional v2.0

    There is not mathematical patterns in roulette. It is random. Roulette is no-skill game where probability to lose is much higher than probability to win as with other no-skill games.

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    Re: Roulette Professional v2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by borisf96
    There is not mathematical patterns in roulette. It is random. Roulette is no-skill game where probability to lose is much higher than probability to win as with other no-skill games.


    Look, maybe in some online casinos it can be random but in others is not Why? Because they use RNG (Random Number Generator), so the numbers that are produced by the roulette come from the RNG, and I know this is true, because there are pages on internet where they let you use a system that predicts always right. For example if next number is red, the system tell you is RED if is black the system tell you is Black and with no mistakes at all, no losings ALL WININGS, And I've use the system for FUN MONEY PLAY and REAL MONEY, and neve have mistakes------>something like this predicts RED (was right), predicts BLACK (was right) Predicts BLACK (was right) predicts BLACK (was right) and so on and ALWAYS is RIGHT ALWAYSSSSSSS.
    How do they do that? Maybe because they have the SEED for the RNG of the casino, and all that stuff. Now you are asking yourself, then why this guy dont use that system. Simple, because they tell you you have to share $5000 for using the system, so you can make a lot of money BUT you have to shre to them some of that money. Thats why I dont use the system, because I am not going to share $5000 of my winings if I know that this system it could be on the internet for free or that are systems not thataccurate 100% all the time , but at least close enough. Thats why this software Roulette Professional v2.0 sounds very cool to me. And again I know that for the online casino make random numbers on roulette table its uses a system, and a system always is going to follow rules created by programmers, and if it follows rules to create "random numbers" , if you know those rules you can be doing a lot of money, thats for shure. But maybe there are casinos that have %100 random numbers How? I dont have idea, because if it is a program that is creating those numbers it has to follow instructions or rules, it could be very complicated algorithms and stuff but still are rules and instructions created by a programmer (a human). And that system that predicts 100% I used and it was amazing, you need to enter the last 9 or 10 numbers then the sytem predicts the colors (RED, BLACK) ALWAYS RIGHT. ALWAYSSSSSSS :)

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    Re: Roulette Professional v2.0

    But maybe there are casinos that have %100 random numbers How?
    Example of uncrackable hardware random generator. When computer processor gets request from program random function, it takes time stamp. Then it takes fifth number after the dot. If number is greater than 5 then show red. If number is less than 5 show black. There are plenty of other almost unbreakable hardware random generator options.

    What you are looking for is software based RNG. Preferably linear one(usually supplied with compiler). I doubt any idiot would use one of those anymore. If they use easy to crack software based RNG, they would not be in business for long. Also you need to use really powerful server to crack more advanced software RNG. Assuming that gambling sites change seeds fairly often, you will not have time to recompute code.
    Last edited by borisf96; 08-03-2006 at 05:22 AM.

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    Re: Roulette Professional v2.0

    it is also posible that the random number generators could be on the server end and actually generate random numbers. It is a common myth that computers can NOT generate random numbers, and 99% of the time they can't. but there are fairly inexpencive expantion cards that allow a computer to actually generate 100% unpredictable random numbers based on quantum decay. if i owned an online casino i would use them. but then again, i dont run an online casino :)

    If it is patern based, the load on the machine is fairly constant, it should be able to predict the numbers in the series. although this will take a large number of tries, and may be imposible because of the design of the software. if the RNG is reseeded periodicly, etc. if the complexity of the randomness is high enough, it approches imposibility. you start to need an infinit number of tries to predict with any certanty.

    it seems like there are enough of these programs that some of them must be written poorly enough to be borken fairly easily. but i bet its illegal. and i wouldnt' spend a ton of money to on 2000 rolls just to find out that this isn't one of those programs.
    good luck
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    Re: Roulette Professional v2.0

    I think software that runs the roulette machine is worse then a live roulette.

    Meaning it takes out the natural laws of physics and adds in a man-made random creator.

    Sort of like if you were throwing dice at a casino and had a way to throw the dice to put the odds in your favor which has been proven to be possible. Just look at the article in cigar aff. from the the fourth issue 05.

    There are people who practise day and night to train themselves to hold and toss the dice precisely to better their odds.

    Throwing dice online in my opinion would be worse as you have no control over the dice. Of course this is different then roulette as you never touch the marble but theres is a difference.

    There is something to be said of intuition. Though not a science or predictable you can sometimes predict or get a feeling.

    I wouldnt go near an online roulette machine unless I had software to help me in some way.

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    Re: Roulette Professional v2.0

    This is more hard then I thought...I was doing I little research on this things of random numbers, and its very hard to understand all the words they use and since I am not a native speaker its even worst :(. Its looks like you have to be scientist to be able to crack the RNG (crack? I dont no what the hell is that lol)
    I was thinking that has something to do with crack passwords and crack programs, for example when you have a crack for, I dont no...windows XP or something like that. Anyway this is what I found and is to hard for me to understand, I wiil need a PH.D in who knows what major to understand this crap :p lol. Maybe if some one has a tutorial of how to crack an online casino RNG and could be post it here it would be great or if some one put a webpage address where they have tutorial or where they actually show you how to crack ONLINE CASINOS RNG, or the tools that you need, which software can I use to crack ONLINE CASINO RNG. Look this is to complicated--------------->


    1) Hardware random number generator:

    In computing, a hardware random number generator is an apparatus that generates random numbers from a physical process. Such devices are typically based on microscopic phenomena such as thermal noise or the photoelectric effect or other quantum phenomena. These processes are, in theory, completely unpredictable, and the theory's assertions of unpredictability are subject to experimental test. A quantum-based hardware random number generator typically contains an amplifier to bring the output of the physical process into the macroscopic realm, and a transducer to convert the output into a digital signal.

    Random numbers generators can also be obtained from macroscopic phenomena, such as cards, dice, and the roulette wheel. This unpredictability can be justified by the theory of unstable dynamical systems and chaos theory. These theories suggest that even though macroscopic phenomena are deterministic in theory under Newtonian mechanics, real-world systems evolve in ways that cannot be predicted in practice because one would need to know the initial conditions to an accuracy that grows exponentially over time.

    Although dice are mostly used for gambling, the Victorian scientist Francis Galton described a way to use dice to generate random numbers for scientific purposes in 1890. Even though some gamblers believe they can control their throws of dice enough to win at craps (a claim which remains a topic of debate), no one (outside the paranormal community) claims that someone not party to the throwing can predict the outcomes.

    Hardware random number generators are often relatively slow, and they may produce a biased sequence (ie, some values are more common than others). Whether a hardware random number generator is suitable for a particular application depends on the details of both the application and the generator.




    :confused: To confusing dude, common.... and then it comes this other type


    2) Pseudo-random generators:

    Most computer "random number generators" are not hardware devices, but are software routines implementing algorithms. Often they are supplied with such system software as language compilers (e.g., as one or more library routines) or as part of the operating system (e.g., as one or more system calls). These are more properly called pseudo-random number generators, and cannot produce truly random outputs. Algorithmic information theory defines a sequence of bits as non-random if it can be produced by some computer program that is shorter than that sequence (Chaitin-Kolmogorov randomness). Pseudo-random number generators fail that test dramatically. They can usually be programmed in a few thousand bits, but can produce far larger sequences, with periods so long no plausible computer or combination of them could exhaust a single period before the heat death of the Universe.

    There are several informal definitions of randomness, usually based on either a lack of discernible patterns in a sequence, or the unpredictability of the sequence or various aspects of it by, generally, the most puissant possible adversary. Output from well-designed pseudo-random number generators should pass assorted statistical tests probing for non-randomness (see NIST Special Publication 800-22, Knuth, The Art of Computer Programming, vol. 2, and RFC 1750 for details of many such tests).

    The sequences such generators produce always have patterns, in one sense, since the algorithm that generates them has a finite state, and must, eventually, repeat one of those states. Given the original state of the generator, and the implementation of the algorithm, a pseudo-random number generator of this sort is totally predictable. Given even partial knowledge of that state, they are often insecure for many purposes. On the other hand, it has become relatively easy to produce pseudo-random number generators that are guaranteed not to repeat on any conceivable computer within a time-frame that is millions of times longer than the age of the universe. It is an open question whether it is always possible, in some practical way, to distinguish the output of such a pseudo-random number generator from a that of a perfectly random source without knowledge of the generator's internal state. Much of modern cryptography rests on the assumption that ciphers can be constructed whose output is indistinguishable from random noise without knowledge of a secret key used in the algorithm.


    Guys I know that this "Holy Grail" sytems or programs or softwares, whetever you wanna call it exist, I mean common is INTERNET and we are in the year 2006, I am pretty shure that there are tutorials and programs for this things, so if some one has good information about this things plz post here men plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz lol :p plzzzzzzzzzzz Thanks to all

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    Re: Roulette Professional v2.0

    Hi I'm kinda new here also,

    but that dosnt mean I dont know what this site is about... (correct me if I am wrong) But i thought this place was called scam.com and was a forum where people could come to find info on scams so they dont buy into a fake program...

    Now you see what you are asking is exactly that but with a slight twist... You are not just asking weather a certain program is a scam but are asking for us to help you break, creak or scam others...

    Now personally i think there is a line. On one hand you are asking if this program is a scam, on the other hand you are wanting us to provide information that you can use to scam others.

    So my personal opinion on the subject is, before you want to scam others, or Rip off certain sites or should i go as far as to say Steal from online sites i think you should read the rules of conduct of the sites that you are asking such questions.

    And i sincerly hope that you dont find the info that you are after - as much as i disagree with casinos and think they rip people off - i still dont promote and dont think others should stoop so low as to try rip them off instead i would say you are better making a legit income working.

    Just my 2c worth,

    Titus

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    Re: Roulette Professional v2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by borisf96
    Example of uncrackable hardware random generator. When computer processor gets request from program random function, it takes time stamp. Then it takes fifth number after the dot. If number is greater than 5 then show red. If number is less than 5 show black. There are plenty of other almost unbreakable hardware random generator options.

    What you are looking for is software based RNG. Preferably linear one(usually supplied with compiler). I doubt any idiot would use one of those anymore. If they use easy to crack software based RNG, they would not be in business for long. Also you need to use really powerful server to crack more advanced software RNG. Assuming that gambling sites change seeds fairly often, you will not have time to recompute code.



    Sorry guys if I double post but I start to read what you say more carefully and I start to see the big picture (finally) OK just a few questions.

    First, OK when you say that the computer processor gets request from program random function. Are your refering to my computer or the computer (server) of the ONLINE CASINO? I mean wich computer?

    Second, I didnt have a clue of what is TIME STAMP, so maybe you can explain me what is that in a few words, and where can I find this TIME STAMP on windows XP. I found this on google but still I have some doubts ------> A timestamp is the current time of an event that is recorded by a computer. Through mechanisms such as the Network Time Protocol (NTP), a computer maintains accurate current time, calibrated to minute fractions of a second. Such precision makes it possible for networked computers and applications to communicate effectively. The timestamp mechanism is used for a wide variety of synchronization purposes, such as assigning a sequence order for a multi-event transaction so that if a failure occurs the transaction can be voided. Another way that a timestamp is used is to record time in relation to a particular starting point. In IP telephony, for example, the Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) assigns sequential timestamps to voice packets so that they can be buffered by the receiver, reassembled, and delivered without error. When writing a program, the programmer is usually provided an application program interface for a timestamp that the operating system can provide during program execution.


    Thirth, where can I find this fifth number after the dot on windows XP?, where can I find this numbers? I know that windows comes with a WATCH option that show you the hour....but I dont get it...what relation has this with the RNG of the ONLINE CASINO ------->

    Ok lets says this are the numbers ------->
    :p lol

    12313.43829 <-------In this case 9 is the fifth number after the dot, so it has to be RED. Is this what are you saying? Or I am not understanding at all?


    632443.64823 <------- In this case 3 is the fifth number after the dot, so it has to be BLACK. I am understanding correctly? Again, where can I find this numbers in my computer (the one that show the TIME STAMP) for example 632443.6482 <-----Where are they?



    Thanks for explain me that thing, At least now I have an better idea of how this guys give me ALWAYS 100% on which color it was going to be the next one. Thanks :)

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    Re: Roulette Professional v2.0

    First, OK when you say that the computer processor gets request from program random function. Are your refering to my computer or the computer (server) of the ONLINE CASINO? I mean wich computer?

    Second, I didnt have a clue of what is TIME STAMP, so maybe you can explain me what is that in a few words, and where can I find this TIME STAMP on windows XP
    On the server of online casino. Time Stamp(CS talk) is basically a time function on online casino server computer. It checks exact time to the nth point. So if comuter processor can do 100000 operations per second, it can get 0.00001 precise random number.
    On the top of this, Casino server can get block of those generated numbers and mix them up with other random functions. Thats why hardware RNGs are so hard to break.

    And again any program you get does not know which RNG is used and what combination of RNGs is implemented. And there are many. So even best cracking program will take a lot of time to run through many possible RNGs. It will need plenty of time and money to get enough of input data to start cracking.

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    Re: Roulette Professional v2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by borisf96
    On the server of online casino. Time Stamp(CS talk) is basically a time function on online casino server computer. It checks exact time to the nth point. So if comuter processor can do 100000 operations per second, it can get 0.00001 precise random number.
    On the top of this, Casino server can get block of those generated numbers and mix them up with other random functions. Thats why hardware RNGs are so hard to break.

    And again any program you get does not know which RNG is used and what combination of RNGs is implemented. And there are many. So even best cracking program will take a lot of time to run through many possible RNGs. It will need plenty of time and money to get enough of input data to start cracking.

    Ohh thanks for the information, very usefull. Well...it looks like no one has use this software before. I will not buy it probably because there is no one who have tested and have seen how it works. Its scam or not? I have no idea, probably it is lol
    :p I will have to wait that some one put in Emule servers or Bitorrent or P2P programs or in some forum

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