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    we prevail 5 religion,but none as perfect as islam

    still islam is the winner. we talk about the last religion that scripted in AlQuran. islam is to perfecting. we only based on the holy scripture and it's AlQuran. nothing else. we're not prevailing the left-wing perception about islam. we consider it as a provocateur.. and the hatred expression who ever scripted on some books! but look at now! islam become bigger, bigger and more bigger...and we're in the world organization. so we're the world religion! we welcoming for each one who has call to embrace islam. and become muslim. we loved and joy to prevail that we add more one brother. the brother of muslim. ofcourse we're brothers on the muslim sight. but this is special. we recognize that you are our muslim brothers who has protection as a muslim of Muhammed SAW as our apostle. thank you. Assalamualaikum
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    still islam is the winner. we talk about the last religion that scripted in AlQuran. islam is to perfecting. we only based on the holy scripture and it's AlQuran. nothing else. we're not prevailing the left-wing perception about islam. we consider it as a provocateur.. and the hatred expression who ever scripted on some books! but look at now! islam become bigger, bigger and more bigger...and we're in the world organization. so we're the world religion! we welcoming for each one who has call to embrace islam. and become muslim. we loved and joy to prevail that we add more one brother. the brother of muslim. ofcourse we're brothers on the muslim sight. but this is special. we recognize that you are our muslim brothers who has protection as a muslim of Muhammed SAW as our apostle. thank you. Assalamualaikum
    Don't believe there is a competition.

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    still islam is the winner.
    Right........in fact ALL religions win...its the people that lose. As long as they need to depend on something besides themselves for emotional security in life, they never seek it for themselves.
    Most people can't think, most of the remainder won't think, the small fraction who do think mostly can't do it very well. The extremely tiny fraction who think regularly, accurately, creatively, and without self-delusion- in the long run these are the only people who count... Robert Heinlein

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    N O with the big N.O. there is not a competition. don't be till people yell at you back as an extreme atheist. thank you. just listen to the true man.. ghost dog. the piece-maker like me. NO COMPETITION FOR RELIGION AND FAITH IN GOD.

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    yyy13
    N O with the big N.O. there is not a competition. don't be till people yell at you back as an extreme atheist. thank you. just listen to the true man.. ghost dog. the piece-maker like me. NO COMPETITION FOR RELIGION AND FAITH IN GOD.
    Ghost Dog is right... ALL religions win.

    It is the people who lose.


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    yyy13
    N O with the big N.O. there is not a competition. don't be till people yell at you back as an extreme atheist. thank you. just listen to the true man.. ghost dog. the piece-maker like me. NO COMPETITION FOR RELIGION AND FAITH IN GOD.
    The real competition is with the Self...not to take the side of that which cannot be proven to ring true to reality.
    Most people take this religious "side" not knowing that they've taken a stand that only offers only stagnation...and ultimately disintegration into obedience and dependence...expecting more, never learning to deal with the reality we are all subject to. They are taught to thrust their dependence on the "unseen, unknown" god, thus they are never aware enough to really conduct their own lives from within. They suffer the reality of living like a dependent child their entire life, never knowing just how "adult" they can become.

    No, I'm not atheistic....I happen to be agnostic, as I believe in a Creator as a Force, or Forces at work in our reality, past and present...in my entire sixty-three years of studying life on both sides, I haven't found any evidence for a "god" of the Quran, or Bible.
    IMHO, religion is only a structured emotional reaction to an unquestioned existence by biased, emotionally-charged individuals.

    It is only a first "baby" step in becoming a self-reliant being. One must cover all of the steps required for individual personal growth, meaning that the student must test his present "true beliefs" in order to see how they stand up to an unbiased reality. Most people are looking for personal security, not knowing that there is no such thing. They will not leave their "security box," fearing either the "wrath" of their god, or finding that they've been deceiving themselves, and never get past the first step.

    That which is tested and remains true to the seeker, is constantly tested, so as to make it stronger along-side of new information....either of which will fall away, replaced by that which is proven to be more true.
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    so yyy123
    THE CONCLUSION YOU HAVE TO PUT ADVERB TO COMPLETE IT! COMPETE WITH OURSELVES. BUT THE MOST RIGHT WORD IS NOT COMPETE BUT FIGHT WITH, SO FIGHT WITH OURSELVES. THANK YOU!

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    AND FOR GHOSTDOG.
    SORRY TO INTERFERING YOUR AGNOSTICISM. AGNOSTICISM IS NEAR TO ATHEISM. SEE THIS
    Agnosticism

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    Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable.[1][2][3] Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions. In some senses, agnosticism is a stance about the difference between belief and knowledge, rather than about any specific claim or belief. In the popular sense, an agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves there is a God, whereas an atheist disbelieves there is a God.[3] In the strict sense, however, agnosticism is the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify knowledge whether God exists or does not. Within agnosticism there are agnostic atheists (who do not believe any deity exists, but do not deny it as a possibility) and agnostic theists (who believe a God exists but do not claim to know that).
    Thomas Henry Huxley, an English biologist, coined the word agnostic in 1869.[4] However, earlier thinkers and written works have promoted agnostic points of view. They include Protagoras, a 5th-century BCE Greek philosopher,[5] and the Nasadiya Sukta creation myth in the Rig Veda, an ancient Sanskrit text.[6] Since Huxley coined the term, many other thinkers have written extensively about agnosticism.
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    [edit] Defining agnosticism

    Demographic research services normally do not differentiate between various types of non-religious respondents so agnostics end up in the same category as atheists and/or other non-religious people.[7] Some sources use agnostic in the sense of noncommittal.[8] Agnosticism often overlaps with other belief systems. Agnostic theists identify themselves both as agnostics and as followers of particular religions, viewing agnosticism as a framework for thinking about the nature of belief and their relation to revealed truths. Some nonreligious people, such as author Philip Pullman, identify as both agnostic and atheist.[9]
    Thomas Henry Huxley defined the term:
    Agnosticism is not a creed but a method, the essence of which lies in the vigorous application of a single principle... Positively the principle may be expressed as in matters of intellect, do not pretend conclusions are certain that are not demonstrated or demonstrable.[10]
    [edit] Etymology

    Agnostic (from Ancient Greek ἀ- (a-), meaning "without", and γνῶσις (gnōsis), meaning "knowledge") was used by Thomas Henry Huxley in a speech at a meeting of the Metaphysical Society in 1876[10] to describe his philosophy which rejects all claims of spiritual or mystical knowledge. Early Christian church leaders used the Greek word gnosis (knowledge) to describe "spiritual knowledge." Agnosticism is not to be confused with religious views opposing the ancient religious movement of Gnosticism in particular; Huxley used the term in a broader, more abstract sense.[11] Huxley identified agnosticism not as a creed but rather as a method of skeptical, evidence-based inquiry.[12]
    In recent years, scientific literature dealing with neuroscience and psychology has used the word to mean "not knowable".[13] In technical and marketing literature, agnostic often has a meaning close to "independent"—for example, "platform agnostic" or "hardware agnostic."
    [edit] Qualifying agnosticism

    Scottish Enlightenment philosopher David Hume contended that meaningful statements about the universe are always qualified by some degree of doubt.[14] He asserted that the fallibility of human beings means that they cannot obtain absolute certainty except in trivial cases where a statement is true by definition (i.e. tautologies such as "all bachelors are unmarried" or "all triangles have three corners"). All rational statements that assert a factual claim about the universe that begin "I believe that ...." are simply shorthand for, "Based on my knowledge, understanding, and interpretation of the prevailing evidence, I tentatively believe that...." For instance, when one says, "I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald shot John F. Kennedy," one is not asserting an absolute truth but a tentative belief based on interpretation of the assembled evidence. Even though one may set an alarm clock prior to the following day, believing that waking up will be possible, that belief is tentative, tempered by a small but finite degree of doubt (the alarm might break, or one might die before the alarm goes off).
    The Catholic Church sees merit in examining what it calls Partial Agnosticism, specifically those systems that "do not aim at constructing a complete philosophy of the Unknowable, but at excluding special kinds of truth, notably religious, from the domain of knowledge."[15] However, the Church is historically opposed to a full denial of the ability of human reason to know God. The Council of the Vatican, relying on biblical scripture, declares that "God, the beginning and end of all, can, by the natural light of human reason, be known with certainty from the works of creation" (Const. De Fide, II, De Rev.)[16]
    [edit] Types of agnosticism

    Agnosticism can be subdivided into several categories. Recently suggested variations include:
    Agnostic atheism
    Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not have belief in the existence of any deity, and agnostic because they do not claim to know that a deity does not exist.[17]
    Agnostic theism
    The view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence.[17]
    Apathetic or pragmatic agnosticism
    The view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic.[18]
    Ignosticism
    The view that a coherent definition of a deity must be put forward before the question of the existence of a deity can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition is not coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of a deity is meaningless or empirically untestable.[19] A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "a deity exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against.
    Strong agnosticism (also called "hard," "closed," "strict," or "permanent agnosticism")
    The view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of a deity or deities, and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether a deity exists or not, and neither can you."
    Weak agnosticism (also called "soft," "open," "empirical," or "temporal agnosticism")
    The view that the existence or nonexistence of any deities is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable; therefore, one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deities exist or not, but maybe one day, when there is evidence, we can find something out."
    [edit] History

    Since Huxley first used the term, several writers have defended agnosticism as a philosophical viewpoint. A number of earlier thinkers and writings have explored agnostic thought.
    [edit] In Hindu philosophy

    The Rig Veda takes an agnostic view on the fundamental question of how the universe and God was created. Nasadiya Sukta (Creation Hymn) in the tenth chapter of the Rig Veda says:
    Who really knows?
    Who will here proclaim it?
    Whence was it produced? Whence is this creation?
    The gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe.
    Who then knows whence it has arisen?
    Throughout the history of Hinduism there has been a strong tradition of philosophic speculation and skepticism.[20][21]
    [edit] In Greek philosophy

    Agnostic thought, in the form of skepticism, emerged as a formal philosophical position in ancient Greece. Its proponents included Protagoras, Pyrrho, and Carneades.[22] Such thinkers rejected the idea that certainty was possible.
    [edit] Hume, Kant, and Kierkegaard

    Many philosophers (following the examples of Aristotle, Anselm, Aquinas, and Descartes) presented arguments attempting to rationally prove the existence of God. The skeptical empiricism of David Hume, the antinomies of Immanuel Kant, and the existential philosophy of Søren Kierkegaard convinced many later philosophers to abandon these attempts, regarding it impossible to construct any unassailable proof for the existence or non-existence of God.[23] In his 1844 book, Philosophical Fragments, Kierkegaard writes:
    Let us call this unknown something: God. It is nothing more than a name we assign to it. The idea of demonstrating that this unknown something (God) exists, could scarcely suggest itself to Reason. For if God does not exist it would of course be impossible to prove it; and if he does exist it would be folly to attempt it. For at the very outset, in beginning my proof, I would have presupposed it, not as doubtful but as certain (a presupposition is never doubtful, for the very reason that it is a presupposition), since otherwise I would not begin, readily understanding that the whole would be impossible if he did not exist. But if when I speak of proving God's existence I mean that I propose to prove that the Unknown, which exists, is God, then I express myself unfortunately. For in that case I do not prove anything, least of all an existence, but merely develop the content of a conception.[24]
    [edit] Thomas Henry Huxley

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    Thomas Henry Huxley


    Agnostic views are as old as philosophical skepticism, but the terms agnostic and agnosticism were created by Huxley to sum up his thoughts on contemporary developments of metaphysics about the "unconditioned" (Hamilton) and the "unknowable" (Herbert Spencer). It is important, therefore, to discover Huxley's own views on the matter. Though Huxley began to use the term "agnostic" in 1869, his opinions had taken shape some time before that date. In a letter of September 23, 1860, to Charles Kingsley, Huxley discussed his views extensively:
    I neither affirm nor deny the immortality of man. I see no reason for believing it, but, on the other hand, I have no means of disproving it. I have no a priori objections to the doctrine. No man who has to deal daily and hourly with nature can trouble himself about a priori difficulties. Give me such evidence as would justify me in believing in anything else, and I will believe that. Why should I not? It is not half so wonderful as the conservation of force or the indestructibility of matter... It is no use to talk to me of analogies and probabilities. I know what I mean when I say I believe in the law of the inverse squares, and I will not rest my life and my hopes upon weaker convictions...
    That my personality is the surest thing I know may be true. But the attempt to conceive what it is leads me into mere verbal subtleties. I have champed up all that chaff about the ego and the non-ego, noumena and phenomena, and all the rest of it, too often not to know that in attempting even to think of these questions, the human intellect flounders at once out of its depth.
    And again, to the same correspondent, May 6, 1863:
    I have never had the least sympathy with the a priori reasons against orthodoxy, and I have by nature and disposition the greatest possible antipathy to all the atheistic and infidel school. Nevertheless I know that I am, in spite of myself, exactly what the Christian would call, and, so far as I can see, is justified in calling, atheist and infidel. I cannot see one shadow or tittle of evidence that the great unknown underlying the phenomenon of the universe stands to us in the relation of a Father [who] loves us and cares for us as Christianity asserts. So with regard to the other great Christian dogmas, immortality of soul and future state of rewards and punishments, what possible objection can I—who am compelled perforce to believe in the immortality of what we call Matter and Force, and in a very unmistakable present state of rewards and punishments for our deeds—have to these doctrines? Give me a scintilla of evidence, and I am ready to jump at them.
    Of the origin of the name agnostic to describe this attitude, Huxley gave the following account:[25]
    When I reached intellectual maturity and began to ask myself whether I was an atheist, a theist, or a pantheist; a materialist or an idealist; Christian or a freethinker; I found that the more I learned and reflected, the less ready was the answer; until, at last, I came to the conclusion that I had neither art nor part with any of these denominations, except the last. The one thing in which most of these good people were agreed was the one thing in which I differed from them. They were quite sure they had attained a certain "gnosis,"–had, more or less successfully, solved the problem of existence; while I was quite sure I had not, and had a pretty strong conviction that the problem was insoluble. So I took thought, and invented what I conceived to be the appropriate title of "agnostic." It came into my head as suggestively antithetic to the "gnostic" of Church history, who professed to know so much about the very things of which I was ignorant. To my great satisfaction the term took.
    Huxley's agnosticism is believed to be a natural consequence of the intellectual and philosophical conditions of the 1860s, when clerical intolerance was trying to suppress scientific discoveries which appeared to clash with a literal reading of the Book of Genesis and other established Jewish and Christian doctrines. Agnosticism should not, however, be confused with natural theology, deism, pantheism, or other forms of theism.
    By way of clarification, Huxley states, "In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable" (Huxley, Agnosticism, 1889). Although A. W. Momerie has noted that this is nothing but a definition of honesty, Huxley's usual definition goes beyond mere honesty to insist that these metaphysical issues are fundamentally unknowable.
    [edit] Robert G. Ingersoll

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    Robert G. Ingersoll


    Robert G. Ingersoll, an Illinois lawyer and politician who *****ed into a well-known and sought-after orator in 19th century America, has been referred to as the "Great Agnostic."[26]
    In an 1896 lecture titled Why I Am An Agnostic, Ingersoll related why he was an agnostic:
    Is there a supernatural power—an arbitrary mind—an enthroned God—a supreme will that sways the tides and currents of the world—to which all causes bow? I do not deny. I do not know—but I do not believe. I believe that the natural is supreme—that from the infinite chain no link can be lost or broken—that there is no supernatural power that can answer prayer—no power that worship can persuade or change—no power that cares for man. I believe that with infinite arms Nature embraces the all—that there is no interference—no chance—that behind every event are the necessary and countless causes, and that beyond every event will be and must be the necessary and countless effects.
    Is there a God? I do not know. Is man immortal? I do not know. One thing I do know, and that is, that neither hope, nor fear, belief, nor denial, can change the fact. It is as it is, and it will be as it must be.
    In the conclusion of the speech he simply sums up the agnostic position as:
    We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know.
    [edit] Bertrand Russell

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    Bertrand Russell


    Bertrand Russell's pamphlet, Why I Am Not a Christian, based on a speech delivered in 1927 and later included in a book of the same title, is considered a classic statement of agnosticism. The essay briefly lays out Russell’s objections to some of the arguments for the existence of God before discussing his moral objections to Christian teachings. He then calls upon his readers to "stand on their own two feet and look fair and square at the world," with a "fearless attitude and a free intelligence."
    In 1939, Russell gave a lecture on The existence and nature of God, in which he characterized himself as an atheist. He said:
    The existence and nature of God is a subject of which I can discuss only half. If one arrives at a negative conclusion concerning the first part of the question, the second part of the question does not arise; and my position, as you may have gathered, is a negative one on this matter.[27]
    However, later in the same lecture, discussing modern non-anthropomorphic concepts of God, Russell states:
    That sort of God is, I think, not one that can actually be disproved, as I think the omnipotent and benevolent creator can.[28]
    In Russell's 1947 pamphlet, Am I An Atheist Or An Agnostic? (subtitled A Plea For Tolerance In The Face Of New Dogmas), he ruminates on the problem of what to call himself:
    As a philosopher, if I were speaking to a purely philosophic audience I should say that I ought to describe myself as an Agnostic, because I do not think that there is a conclusive argument by which one can prove that there is not a God. On the other hand, if I am to convey the right impression to the ordinary man in the street I think I ought to say that I am an Atheist, because when I say that I cannot prove that there is not a God, I ought to add equally that I cannot prove that there are not the Homeric gods.
    In his 1953 essay, What Is An Agnostic? Russell states:
    An agnostic thinks it impossible to know the truth in matters such as God and the future life with which Christianity and other religions are concerned. Or, if not impossible, at least impossible at the present time.
    However, later in the essay, Russell says:
    I think that if I heard a voice from the sky predicting all that was going to happen to me during the next twenty-four hours, including events that would have seemed highly improbable, and if all these events then produced to happen, I might perhaps be convinced at least of the existence of some superhuman intelligence.
    [edit] Leslie Weatherhead

    In 1965 Christian theologian Leslie Weatherhead published The Christian Agnostic, in which he argues:
    ...many professing agnostics are nearer belief in the true God than are many conventional church-goers who believe in a body that does not exist whom they miscall God.
    Although radical and unpalatable to conventional theologians, Weatherhead's agnosticism falls far short of Huxley's, and short even of weak agnosticism:
    Of course, the human soul will always have the power to reject God, for choice is essential to its nature, but I cannot believe that anyone will finally do this.
    SO FEELING DOUBT OF THE ABSOLUTENESS OF GOD EXISTENCE MAKE YOU ALREADY ATHEIST. SO NO DOUBT OF IT! SORRY.. RELIGION WON'T ALLOW ANYBODY WITH HESITATE FELLING TO ENTER THEIR TEMPLE THAT WORRIED MIGHT INFECTING THE WHOLE OTHER BELIEVERS. A PERSON WHO ENTER AND HAVE ABSOLUTE FAITH WITH HIS GOD CAN ENTER THE TEMPLE AND EMBRACE THEIR RELIGION.
    SO, A PEOPLE LIKE YOU, WE'RE ALL A RELIGIOUS MAN USUALLY CALLS AN ARROGANT MAN. AND THE HUBRIS IS THE BASIC BAD ATTITUDE OF DEVIL POSSESS.. WHEN GOD ASKS THE DEVIL TO PAY OBEISANCE ON ADAM, THE DEVIL SAID.. I NEVER PAY OBEISANCE ON ADAM AS YOUR COMMAND CAUSE HE'S MADE FROM DUST WHO YOU BLEW INTO HUMAN. I AM MADE OF FIRE, I MORE NOBLE THAN HUMAN.. THAN ADAM WHO JUST MADE FROM A DIRTY DUST!.. SO THEN GOD BECOME WRATH.. AND SENT THE DEVIL TO THE HELL! SO......DOUBT IS SIN..IT IS NOT REFLECTING A RELIGIOUS MAN.
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    SORRY TO INTERFERING YOUR AGNOSTICISM. AGNOSTICISM IS NEAR TO ATHEISM.
    You miss my point...entirely. It isn't important whether this is close to that....or whatever. What is important is to know that life is about growth. Religion is only a first baby step in that journey. My point is if one doesn't challenge his ideology as to it's relevancy to our reality, one is resigned to a point of stagnation....which is really a slow disintegration, IMHO. If life was a destination instead of a journey it would be fitting that one would take up residence in a "box" (religion) and effectively stay stuck.
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    still islam is the winner. we talk about the last religion that scripted in AlQuran. islam is to perfecting. we only based on the holy scripture and it's AlQuran. nothing else. we're not prevailing the left-wing perception about islam. we consider it as a provocateur.. and the hatred expression who ever scripted on some books! but look at now! islam become bigger, bigger and more bigger...and we're in the world organization. so we're the world religion! we welcoming for each one who has call to embrace islam. and become muslim. we loved and joy to prevail that we add more one brother. the brother of muslim. ofcourse we're brothers on the muslim sight. but this is special. we recognize that you are our muslim brothers who has protection as a muslim of Muhammed SAW as our apostle. thank you. Assalamualaikum

    Is Islam becoming bigger because it is a peaceful religion, or is it because Jihad is working? Peaceful or hostile, which is it. Explain these versus from Muslim's holy book. How do they promote Islam?

    The following are from the Koran (AlQuran), Islam's most holy book.

    Sura 9, verse 5, reads: "fight and slay unbelievers wherever ye find them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war. But if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them . . . ."

    Sura 9, verse 29, reads: "fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, even if they are of the 40 people of the book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

    Sura 5, verse 51 reads: "Oh ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends and protectors; they are but friends of protectors of each other. And he amongst you that turns to them for friendship is of them. Verily Allah guideth not the unjust."

    Sura 3, verse 28, introduces the doctrine of taqiyya, which holds that Muslims should not be friends with the infidel except as deception, always with the end goal of converting, subduing, or destroying them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    Is Islam becoming bigger because it is a peaceful religion, or is it because Jihad is working? Peaceful or hostile, which is it. Explain these versus from Muslim's holy book. How do they promote Islam?

    The following are from the Koran (AlQuran), Islam's most holy book.

    Sura 9, verse 5, reads: "fight and slay unbelievers wherever ye find them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war. But if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them . . . ."

    Sura 9, verse 29, reads: "fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, even if they are of the 40 people of the book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

    Sura 5, verse 51 reads: "Oh ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends and protectors; they are but friends of protectors of each other. And he amongst you that turns to them for friendship is of them. Verily Allah guideth not the unjust."

    Sura 3, verse 28, introduces the doctrine of taqiyya, which holds that Muslims should not be friends with the infidel except as deception, always with the end goal of converting, subduing, or destroying them.
    Which verse made you make up bullshit predictions about the end of Israel?
    A real, honest, falsifiable claim made b.y Seer of dreams:(2011)
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    I believe there will be a nuclear war in October of this year.
    Oh Cnance.... Full of shit as always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_jag View Post
    Which verse made you make up bullshit predictions about the end of Israel?
    You're a true idiot.

    You can't read! I said I believe, not predict. However, that makes no difference to you, just like a good propagandist, you spin it any old way.
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    Re: we prevail 5 religion,but none as perfect as i

    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    You're a true idiot.

    You can't read! I said I believe, not predict. However, that makes no difference to you, just like a good propagandist, you spin it any old way.
    Duh... A belief about something that's going to happen in the future is a prediction, bonehead.

    And... You firmly believe some bullshit you just made up and I'm the true idiot? HAHAHA. Watching you fall on your face really makes my day. Oh how I've missed laughing at you.

    Quote Originally Posted by webster
    Definition of PREDICT
    transitive verb
    : to declare or indicate in advance;

    Oh... so you BELIEVE you're full of shit. That's lovely.
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    I believe there will be a nuclear war in October of this year.
    Oh Cnance.... Full of shit as always.

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    Re: we prevail 5 religion,but none as perfect as i

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_jag View Post
    Duh... A belief about something that's going to happen in the future is a prediction, bonehead.

    And... You firmly believe some bullshit you just made up and I'm the true idiot? HAHAHA. Watching you fall on your face really makes my day. Oh how I've missed laughing at you.




    Oh... so you BELIEVE you're full of shit. That's lovely.

    I used to think you were an honest person. :1crysad: I was, of course, sick (dreams) and deluded.

    Now, I see the light and can read. I just looked up the word believe. You posted the meaning for predict. Sorry, that deception won't work. The word was believe.

    Also, you used to be civil. I guess being an atheist for all these years makes you a miserable liar.
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    Re: we prevail 5 religion,but none as perfect as i

    Alisdi5

    What do you think of this verse. Is Allah right, should you kill all infidels?

    Sura 9, verse 5, reads: "fight and slay unbelievers wherever ye find them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war. But if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them . . . ."

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    Re: we prevail 5 religion,but none as perfect as i

    Quote Originally Posted by GHOST DOG View Post
    You miss my point...entirely. It isn't important whether this is close to that....or whatever. What is important is to know that life is about growth. Religion is only a first baby step in that journey. My point is if one doesn't challenge his ideology as to it's relevancy to our reality, one is resigned to a point of stagnation....which is really a slow disintegration, IMHO. If life was a destination instead of a journey it would be fitting that one would take up residence in a "box" (religion) and effectively stay stuck.
    we are as a religous man never thaught to pursuit of material in the mumdane world but most important to collecting our reward as stock later when we're in the world hereafter. Then we must do good things, and that's the role of religion. we do in balance by doing good to Allah SWT ( our God ) and to the fellow human being. Vertical - horizontal acts.

    look at my attachment :

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