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    U.S. Terror Targets

    Just another day in the land of Neoconia. I think I will open a petting zoo so I can get Federal grant money. Grim, are you tame enough to sit in a cage while children gawk at you? A gorilla would be a novel addition.

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    U.S. Terror Targets: Petting Zoo and Flea Market?

    By ERIC LIPTON
    Published: July 12, 2006

    WASHINGTON, July 11 — It reads like a tally of terrorist targets that a child might have written: Old MacDonald’s Petting Zoo, the Amish Country Popcorn factory, the Mule Day Parade, the Sweetwater Flea Market and an unspecified “Beach at End of a Street.”

    But the inspector general of the Department of Homeland Security, in a report released Tuesday, found that the list was not child’s play: all these “unusual or out-of-place” sites “whose criticality is not readily apparent” are inexplicably included in the federal antiterrorism database.

    The National Asset Database, as it is known, is so flawed, the inspector general found, that as of January, Indiana, with 8,591 potential terrorist targets, had 50 percent more listed sites than New York (5,687) and more than twice as many as California (3,212), ranking the state the most target-rich place in the nation.

    The database is used by the Homeland Security Department to help divvy up the hundreds of millions of dollars in antiterrorism grants each year, including the program announced in May that cut money to New York City and Washington by 40 percent, while significantly increasing spending for cities including Louisville, Ky., and Omaha.

    “We don’t find it embarrassing,” said the department’s deputy press secretary, Jarrod Agen. “The list is a valuable tool.”

    But the audit says that lower-level department officials agreed that some older information in the inventory “was of low quality and that they had little faith in it.”

    “The presence of large numbers of out-of-place assets taints the credibility of the data,” the report says.

    In addition to the petting zoo, in Woodville, Ala., and the Mule Day Parade in Columbia, Tenn., the auditors questioned many entries, including “Nix’s Check Cashing,” “Mall at Sears,” “Ice Cream Parlor,” “Tackle Shop,” “Donut Shop,” “Anti-Cruelty Society” and “Bean Fest.”

    Even people connected to some of those businesses or events are baffled at their inclusion as possible terrorist targets.

    “Seems like someone has gone overboard,” said Larry Buss, who helps organize the Apple and Pork Festival in Clinton, Ill. “Their time could be spent better doing other things, like providing security for the country.”

    Angela McNabb, manager of the Sweetwater Flea Market, which is 50 miles from Knoxville, Tenn., said: “I don’t know where they get their information. We are talking about a flea market here.”

    New York City officials, who have questioned the rationale for the reduction in this year’s antiterrorism grants, were similarly blunt.

    “Now we know why the Homeland Security grant formula came out as wacky as it was,” Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, said Tuesday. “This report is the smoking gun that thoroughly indicts the system.”

    The source of the problems, the audit said, appears to be insufficient definitions or standards for inclusion provided to the states, which submit lists of locations for the database.

    New York, for example, lists only 2 percent of the nation’s banking and finance sector assets, which ranks it between North Dakota and Missouri. Washington State lists nearly twice as many national monuments and icons as the District of Columbia.

    Montana, one of the least populous states in the nation, turned up with far more assets than big-population states including Massachusetts, North Carolina and New Jersey.

    The inspector general questions whether many of the sites listed in whole categories — like the 1,305 casinos, 163 water parks, 159 cruise ships, 244 jails, 3,773 malls, 718 mortuaries and 571 nursing homes — should even be included in the tally.

    But the report also notes that the list “may have too few assets in essential areas.” It apparently does not include many major business and finance operations or critical national telecommunications hubs.

    The department does not release the list of 77,069 sites, but the report said that as of January it included 17,327 commercial properties like office buildings, malls and shopping centers, 12,019 government facilities, 8,402 public health buildings, 7,889 power plants and 2,963 sites with chemical or hazardous materials.

    George W. Foresman, the department’s under secretary for preparedness, said the audit misunderstood the purpose of the database, as it was an inventory or catalog of national assets, not a prioritized list of the most critical sites.The database is just one of many sources consulted in deciding antiterrorism grants.

    The inspector general recommends that the department review the list and determine which of the “extremely insignificant” assets that have been included should remain and provide better guidance to states on what to submit in the future.

    Mr. Agen, the Homeland Security Department spokesman, said that he agreed that his agency should provide better directions for the states and that it would do so in the future.

    One business owner who learned from a reporter that a company named Amish Country Popcorn was on the list was at first puzzled. The businessman, Brian Lehman, said he owned the only operation in the country with that name.

    “I am out in the middle of nowhere,” said Mr. Lehman, whose business in Berne, Ind., has five employees and grows and distributes popcorn. “We are nothing but a bunch of Amish buggies and tractors out here. No one would care.”

    But on second thought, he came up with an explanation: “Maybe because popcorn explodes?”

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    Excellent post

    Can you say "soft targets" ?

    This is precisely why we need terrorist surveillance and wire taps, unlike 9/11 which required years of training and planning these smaller,softer targets are IMO extremely vulnerable and , easy prey for sleeper cells, ...you know, terrorists who have assimilated into this country and have been for many years and just waiting for the "go"

    But hey....Don't Worry Be Happy
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    Quote Originally Posted by franKg
    Ladymod

    Excellent post

    Can you say "soft targets" ?

    This is precisely why we need terrorist surveillance and wire taps, unlike 9/11 which required years of training and planning these smaller,softer targets are IMO extremely vulnerable and , easy prey for sleeper cells, ...you know, terrorists who have assimilated into this country and have been for many years and just waiting for the "go"

    But hey....Don't Worry Be Happy

    You mean MY near future petting zoo could be a potential target for terrorists? It's a "soft target"? Well, I don't live that far from the Red River Army depot, so technically, I should qualify as a terrorist target, especially if I have the rare breed of genuine Neocon Gorilla in my zoo.

    You wouldn't care to volunteer would you Frank? I'm sure my vet could supply you with your drugs.

    Terrorists don't usually care to just make the "Home town news", when they attack, they usually want the entire World to know about it, so they attack something that's going to make a big impact. Like Federal buildings and national Landmarks, airports, train stations, subways.

    Not popcorn factories and petting zoos out in the middle of Bodunk, America.

    Understand now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by franKg
    Ladymod

    Excellent post

    Can you say "soft targets" ?

    This is precisely why we need terrorist surveillance and wire taps, unlike 9/11 which required years of training and planning these smaller,softer targets are IMO extremely vulnerable and , easy prey for sleeper cells, ...you know, terrorists who have assimilated into this country and have been for many years and just waiting for the "go"

    But hey....Don't Worry Be Happy

    Ha..ha..ha.. What are they waiting for? Oh yeah, the next exposure of another one of The Flying Monkey's screw ups to come down the conveyor belt. Then Cheney can give em the "go".

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    How many civilians need to be killed to have a "big" impact

    Any successful al-queda attack on US soil ,no matter how many killed would definetly be big impact on this country, no?
    Originally posted by Americanadian
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    Ha..ha..ha.. What are they waiting for?
    Probably for a liberal to get elected to the White House since they haven't been successfull since 9/11
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    Quote Originally Posted by franKg
    Probably for a liberal to get elected to the White House since they haven't been successfull since 9/11
    Yeah..right. That's pretty much the substance of Cheney's threats in 2004 too.

    Either vote for us, or brace for more attacks. I guess that about covers it.

    Clearly, Cheney has the orders to "stand down" still in effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franKg
    Ladymod

    How many civilians need to be killed to have a "big" impact

    Any successful al-queda attack on US soil ,no matter how many killed would definetly be big impact on this country, no?
    I can read the headlines now.

    U.S Under Attack!
    Al-Queda Suicide Bombers Successfully Take Out Popcorn Factory!
    Death toll reaches 7 and a couple of mules.

    Ya! That puts the "fear of God" in my alright. :rolleyes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    I can read the headlines now.

    U.S Under Attack!
    Al-Queda Suicide Bombers Successfully Take Out Popcorn Factory!
    Death toll reaches 7 and a couple of mules.

    Ya! That puts the "fear of God" in my alright. :rolleyes:

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    Really, you could care less if Al-Queda killed 7 Americans in this country?

    Shame on you Lady Mod

    That "Don't Worry , Be Happy" attitude is precisely what brought about 9/11
    Originally posted by Americanadian
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    Quote Originally Posted by franKg
    Really, you could care less if Al-Queda killed 7 Americans in this country?

    Shame on you Lady Mod

    That "Don't Worry , Be Happy" attitude is precisely what brought about 9/11

    Almost right, but not the whole story..as usual. It was "The don't worry be happy" while the US Government aided, abetted and bank-rolled the Zionist's ethnic cleansing campaign in Palestine that brought about 911.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dchristie
    Almost right, but not the whole story..as usual. It was "The don't worry be happy" while the US Government aided, abetted and bank-rolled the Zionist's ethnic cleansing campaign in Palestine that brought about 911.
    That had nothing to do with it

    9/11 was spawned by the Islamic Jihad , which was written by Usama Bin Ladin, after he was deported from Sudan in 1996, the Sudanese governernment offered to turn Bin Laden over to Saudi Arabia who in turn offered him to turn him over to the US because they didn't want him either, Bill Clinton however, wanted nothing to do with him as well so that is how he came to Afganistan

    So you can thank Bill Clinton for 9/11

    He let Bin Ladin go
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    Quote Originally Posted by dchristie
    Almost right, but not the whole story..as usual. It was "The don't worry be happy" while the US Government aided, abetted and bank-rolled the Zionist's ethnic cleansing campaign in Palestine that brought about 911.
    Shameful is the ignorance that floats around these threads. Zionist's ethnic cleansing is hatemongering. Palestine, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Iran have been thorns in Israel’s sides for decades. Israel goes to the peace table and succumbs to Palestine’s demands over and over. Always Palestine breaks the peace first. Read the history books. I hope Israel squash's both Lebanon and Palestine this time. That is the only way to deal with terrorism.

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    September 11, 2001 to present is the longest U.S. soil has gone without a terrorist attack since the Beruit bombing. You can thank liberals for that, oh, wait, no you CAN'T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franKg
    That had nothing to do with it

    9/11 was spawned by the Islamic Jihad , which was written by Usama Bin Ladin, after he was deported from Sudan in 1996, the Sudanese governernment offered to turn Bin Laden over to Saudi Arabia who in turn offered him to turn him over to the US because they didn't want him either, Bill Clinton however, wanted nothing to do with him as well so that is how he came to Afganistan

    So you can thank Bill Clinton for 9/11

    He let Bin Ladin go
    LOL...You know, it's been said that the reason they hate us so much is because many of us are so dumb and clueless, we don't even know why they hate us.

    And it never fails. The first, last and central refuge of these deluded, clueless Monkeys who don't know what the fvck they're talking about is to, nomatter what, fall back on their favorite whipping boy, Clinton.

    It's a damn good thing for them Clinton lived or these pathetically ignorant Monkeys would be forced to invent him. And, luckily for them, Clinton decided to get a little nookie from the chunky chick in the secretarial office pool, and these slobbering Monkeys have had their heads buried in his zipper ever since.

    But I digress. This Monkey quoted Bin Laden's statement as part of the Islamic Jihad's modus operandi for the 911 attack. So then , in that case, let's take a look at what Bin Laden himself actually says about it:

    "We swore that America wouldn't live in security until we live it truly in Palestine . This showed the reality of America, which puts Israel's interest above its own people's interest. America won't get out of this crisis until it gets out of the Arabian Peninsula , and until it stops its support of Israel." -Osama bin Laden, October 2001

    the reality is that we are striking them because of their evil and injustice in the whole of the Islamic World, especially in Iraq and Palestine and their occupation of the Land of the Two Holy Sanctuaries." -Osama Bin Laden , February 14 , 2003

    "Your position against Muslims in Palestine is despicable and disgraceful. America has no shame. ... We believe that the worst thieves in the world today and the worst terrorists are the Americans. Nothing could stop you except perhaps retaliation in kind. We do not have to differentiate between military or civilian. As far as we are concerned, they are all targets, and this is what the fatwah says ... . The fatwah is general (comprehensive) and it includes all those who participate in, or help the Jewish occupiers in killing Muslims. " - Osama bin Laden May 1998

    "For over half a century, Muslims in Palestine have been slaughtered and assaulted and robbed of their honor and of their property. Their houses have been blasted, their crops destroyed. And the strange thing is that any act on their part to avenge themselves or to lift the injustice befalling them causes great agitation in the United Nations which hastens to call for an emergency meeting only to convict the victim and to censure the wronged and the tyrannized whose children have been killed and whose crops have been destroyed and whose farms have been pulverized " - Osama bin Laden May 1998

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarhead
    September 11, 2001 to present is the longest U.S. soil has gone without a terrorist attack since the Beruit bombing. You can thank liberals for that, oh, wait, no you CAN'T.

    Did it ever occur to you that the reason for this was because the terrorists finally got our attention?

    That still doesn't mean that the reason it hasn't happened since is because Bush is doing such a damned fine job of keeping people here at home safe and snug in their beds.

    Liberal or conservative, it's not because of Bush that we haven't been attacked on American soil again, unless you want to count taking us into war as the reason. In which case, we pay a damned high price in lives of our men and women who are fighting in this police action just to do what the terrorists wanted us to do all along. It would have been far better to tighten security at home (which isn't exactly proving out to be doing so good) than to look for some country to attack because we can't seem to find the terrorist responsible for killing 3,000 of OUR people using our own airplanes. And darn, even after 5 years that slippery little eel is still eluding capture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dchristie
    LOL...You know, it's been said that the reason they hate us so much is because many of us are so dumb and clueless, we don't even know why they hate us.

    And it never fails. The first, last and central refuge of these deluded, clueless Monkeys who don't know what the fvck they're talking about is to, nomatter what, fall back on their favorite whipping boy, Clinton.

    It's a damn good thing for them Clinton lived or these pathetically ignorant Monkeys would be forced to invent him. And, luckily for them, Clinton decided to get a little nookie from the chunky chick in the secretarial office pool, and these slobbering Monkeys have had their heads buried in his zipper ever since.

    But I digress. This Monkey quoted Bin Laden's statement as part of the Islamic Jihad's modus operandi for the 911 attack. So then , in that case, let's take a look at what Bin Laden himself actually says about it:

    "We swore that America wouldn't live in security until we live it truly in Palestine . This showed the reality of America, which puts Israel's interest above its own people's interest. America won't get out of this crisis until it gets out of the Arabian Peninsula , and until it stops its support of Israel." -Osama bin Laden, October 2001

    the reality is that we are striking them because of their evil and injustice in the whole of the Islamic World, especially in Iraq and Palestine and their occupation of the Land of the Two Holy Sanctuaries." -Osama Bin Laden , February 14 , 2003

    "Your position against Muslims in Palestine is despicable and disgraceful. America has no shame. ... We believe that the worst thieves in the world today and the worst terrorists are the Americans. Nothing could stop you except perhaps retaliation in kind. We do not have to differentiate between military or civilian. As far as we are concerned, they are all targets, and this is what the fatwah says ... . The fatwah is general (comprehensive) and it includes all those who participate in, or help the Jewish occupiers in killing Muslims. " - Osama bin Laden May 1998

    "For over half a century, Muslims in Palestine have been slaughtered and assaulted and robbed of their honor and of their property. Their houses have been blasted, their crops destroyed. And the strange thing is that any act on their part to avenge themselves or to lift the injustice befalling them causes great agitation in the United Nations which hastens to call for an emergency meeting only to convict the victim and to censure the wronged and the tyrannized whose children have been killed and whose crops have been destroyed and whose farms have been pulverized " - Osama bin Laden May 1998

    Death to the infedels!!

    I really hope the FBI has this wack's phone tapped and reading all his email
    Originally posted by Americanadian
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