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    In Iraq-Nam What Goes Around Comes Around

    I'm really getting fed up with these fvcking brain-dead Monkeys and their "support the troops" bullsh!t.
    If it were a legal and just war, there may be some substantive rationale for their, otherwise, hollow and brainless sloganeering. But when it comes to The Bush Crime Gang's assault on the Iraqi people, there is none.

    Quite the contrary, the Iraq invasion is an illegal, illegitimate, ruthless war crime launched by the most vile criminal regime in American political history.

    So, when one of these cowardly little weasels claims to "support the troops", all they are saying is that they are criminals themselves and can't be trusted.

    Never turn your back on any one of them. Instead, carry around some enlistment papers so that if you hear some of the usual delusional crap from these ignorant psychopaths, you can get them to sign right up on the spot.

    Let's work on getting these fascist rats sent where they belong doing what they deserve to be doing: Sweeping the roads in Iraq-Nam for IEDs and being targeted by Iraqi insurgents.

    When one of these filthy scumbags get's their fat a s s blown or shot off.... it will be a good thing for America, Iraq and all human beings on the planet.

    Clearly, the best way to support the troops is to allow the good guys who don't want to be there to come home. Then we should send the supporters and enablers of The Flying Monkey over to take their place.

    This would be a good way for the insurgents to show a little good faith by helping us to get rid of some of this foul and useless sub-human garbage.
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    Two dead soldiers, eight more to go, vow avengers of Iraqi girl's rape
    By Akeel Hussein in Mahmoudiyah and Colin Freeman
    (Filed: 09/07/2006)

    The American soldiers accused of raping an Iraqi girl and then murdering her and her family may have provoked an insurgent revenge plot in which two of their comrades were abducted and beheaded last month, it has been claimed.

    Pte Kristian Menchaca, 23, and Pte Thomas Tucker, 25, were snatched from a checkpoint near the town of Yusufiyah on June 16 in what was thought at the time to be random terrorist retaliation for the killing of the al-Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in an American air strike two days earlier.

    Private Kristian Menchaca and Thomas Tucker were beheaded

    Now, however, residents of the neighbouring town of Mahmoudiyah have told The Sunday Telegraph that their kidnap was carried out to avenge the attack on a local girl Abeer Qassim Hamza, 15, and her family. They claim that insurgents have vowed to kidnap and kill another eight American troops to exact a 10-to-one revenge for the rape and murder of the girl.

    Last Monday Steven Green, 21, a former private recently discharged from the US Army, appeared in an American federal court on murder and rape charges relating to her death. At least four other soldiers still based in Iraq are also under investigation.

    Prosecutors alleged that Green and others entered the home of a family of civilians, where he killed the girl's parents and young sister, raped the teenager along with another soldier then shot her in the head. The bodies were found burnt in an apparent cover-up attempt last March. US commanders initially thought the killings were the work of insurgents.

    The case, potentially the most serious by far of the various abuse charges facing American troops in Iraq, was investigated only after another soldier - shaken by the deaths of Menchaca and Tucker - revealed in a counselling session that US troops might have been involved.

    US army officials have already begun a separate inquiry into possible links between the two cases, although they insist at this stage that it is purely "speculation". However, locals in Mahmoudiyah, a Sunni market town in the heart of the "Triangle of Death" south of Baghdad, say relatives of the dead girl's family with contacts to insurgent groups asked them to take a "blood for blood" revenge.

    Because of the sensitivities in Arab society about reporting sexual crimes, they were unwilling to press either the US army or the Iraqi police to deal with the case through the courts.

    Steven Green
    Steven Green was charged with rape and murder

    Saba Shukr, 44, a Sunni sheikh at al-Aziz mosque in Mahmoudiyah, said: "We knew about this crime but the mujahideen brought revenge when they kidnapped two American soldiers in Yusufiyah. They are still waiting to kidnap and kill another eight soldiers, as the price of the death of the girl should be the death of 10 Americans. "I am sure about this. The mujahideen promised us revenge."

    One of the family's neighbours, Abu Hazem, 51, said: "We went to visit the cousin of the family who lived about half a mile away to tell them the news. He said, 'Please keep it secret and we will take revenge on the Americans the quiet way'."

    Military officials initially thought the abduction of the soldiers in Yusufiyah, about five miles from Mahmoudiyah, was an opportunist strike carried out when the troops became separated from their unit during an insurgents' ambush. Their bodies were found dumped three days later, showing signs of torture. However, the complexity of the ambush - and the level of preparedness required to have manpower to take them away alive - suggests that the kidnap was planned.

    Residents of Mahmoudiyah claim that they had long been alarmed by the way some US troops took an interest in their womenfolk. They said that Abeer, who lived in an isolated farmhouse less than a mile from a US checkpoint, had caught the attention of the troops as she did daily chores in the garden.

    "She had been told by her parents not to go to school any more because of poor security," said her neighbour Mr Hazem. "She spent most of her time at home cleaning and in the garden so the American forces saw her many times. She was a beautiful girl, and my wife told me that the Americans kept watching her. When I told her father, though, he said it was no problem and that she was just a small girl."

    Capt Ehsan Abdul Rahman, a police officer, said: "I told Abeer's cousin that there should be a proper investigation but he did not want media attention."

    Iraq factfile

    Nouri al-Maliki, Iraq's prime minister, has promised "a transparent investigation", anxious that the case should not be exploited for propaganda. In Mahmoudiyah, however, that battle seems already lost. Relatives of Abeer have denounced the Americans on Arabic satellite channels, including several known to be sympathetic to the insurgents' cause.

    Izzat Humadi, 29, a local taxi driver, said: "They started to bother us by winking at our women and we thought that something bad would happen. Now it has. The mujahideen will get more revenge for us and this small girl. We await the capture of another eight American soldiers."

    • A US military report on the massacre of 24 Iraqi civilians in Haditha last year has concluded that American Marine officers failed to respond properly to allegations that US troops were involved.
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    Quite the contrary, the Iraq invasion is an illegal, illegitimate, ruthless war crime launched by the most vile criminal regime in American political history
    How was this war illegal?

    George Bush was authorized by both houses of congress ,and the UN ,to use force to disarm Saddam

    It was corroborated by Russian ,British and French intel that he was a serious threat to the world

    Saddam Hussein was in violation of 17 UN Resolution

    Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction and much stronger ties to Al-Queda as was previously thought as is being proven out by the translation of captured pre war Iraqi documents


    In short if we hadn't invaded Iraq, Russia , China and France would've worked the UN to get the sanctions lifted which would have enabled Saddam's nuclear weapons program to develope at a much faster pace , put billions in the pockets of these countries (who were making money off the oil for food scam anyway ) and we would be faced with not only having to deal with Iran as a nuclear power but Iraq as well , which means Al-Queda wouldve had them also

    We got there just in time
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    Its too bad we didnt' invade sooner , because this gave Sadmo ample time to ship all his WMD's to Syria, but that really doesn't matter, one way or another , he was disarmed
    Originally posted by Americanadian
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    Quote Originally Posted by franKg
    Its too bad we didnt' invade sooner , because this gave Sadmo ample time to ship all his WMD's to Syria, but that really doesn't matter, one way or another , he was disarmed
    Frankg,
    Do you know how to read??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phinnly Slash Buster
    Frankg,
    Do you know how to read??
    That's doubtful. You don't pick up those kind of fairytales from reading anything even remotely authoritative on the topic...or even having any native common sense of your own. That's strictly the type of recycled, decomposing garbage that you hear parroted by those who get their "information" from electromagnetic landfill like Fox "News". Why bother to read when you have as rich a fantasy life as that?

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    Re: In Iraq-Nam What Goes Around Comes Around

    Quote Originally Posted by dchristie

    Never turn your back on any one of them. Instead, carry around some enlistment papers so that if you hear some of the usual delusional crap from these ignorant psychopaths, you can get them to sign right up on the spot.
    After having read the neocon reply to your post, I can see exactly what you mean by delusional crap dchristie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franKg
    How was this war illegal?

    George Bush was authorized by both houses of congress ,and the UN ,to use force to disarm Saddam

    It was corroborated by Russian ,British and French intel that he was a serious threat to the world

    Saddam Hussein was in violation of 17 UN Resolution

    Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction and much stronger ties to Al-Queda as was previously thought as is being proven out by the translation of captured pre war Iraqi documents


    In short if we hadn't invaded Iraq, Russia , China and France would've worked the UN to get the sanctions lifted which would have enabled Saddam's nuclear weapons program to develope at a much faster pace , put billions in the pockets of these countries (who were making money off the oil for food scam anyway ) and we would be faced with not only having to deal with Iran as a nuclear power but Iraq as well , which means Al-Queda wouldve had them also

    We got there just in time
    Ooooohhhh, they violated 1 resolution??? In the meantime, Israel violates about a hundred, and nothing is done about them. Go figure right? Oh yeah, we don't have to worry about them because we give them all their weapons. Oops! we also armed Saddam and put him in power. What now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawb
    Ooooohhhh, they violated 1 resolution??? In the meantime, Israel violates about a hundred, and nothing is done about them. Go figure right? Oh yeah, we don't have to worry about them because we give them all their weapons. Oops! we also armed Saddam and put him in power. What now?
    See the list posted citing the multitude of UN Resolutions wantonly violated by Israel. And those are just those that were so audacious, egregious and degenerate that their great protector, the US, had to let go through or else lose what little credibility we hadn't already flushed down the toilet by our inexplicably biased and insane support of the terrorist state. The US has commonly vetoed most resolutions condemning the Zio-Nazi's incalculably numerous human rights violations, war crimes and grotesque atrocities against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dchristie
    See the list posted citing the multitude of UN Resolutions wantonly violated by Israel. And those are just those that were so audacious, egregious and degenerate that their great protector, the US, had to let go through or else lose what little credibility we hadn't already flushed down the toilet by our inexplicably biased and insane support of the terrorist state. The US has commonly vetoed most resolutions condemning the Zio-Nazi's incalculably numerous human rights violations, war crimes and grotesque atrocities against humanity.
    Gotta make sure Haliburton and co. continue to make their money sending weapons over there right? Surely that outweighs any human rights. War crimes are welcomed by the US. It lets them know that Israel is using their weapons at least. Business as usual

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    Saddam Hussein's Defiance of United Nations Resolutions
    Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated seventeen United Nations Security Council Resolutions (UNSCRs) designed to ensure that Iraq does not pose a threat to international peace and security. In addition to these repeated violations, he has tried, over the past decade, to circumvent UN economic sanctions against Iraq, which are reflected in a number of other resolutions. As noted in the resolutions, Saddam Hussein was required to fulfill many obligations beyond the withdrawal of Iraqi forces from Kuwait. Specifically, Saddam Hussein was required to, among other things: allow international weapons inspectors to oversee the destruction of his weapons of mass destruction; not develop new weapons of mass destruction; destroy all of his ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometers; stop support for terrorism and prevent terrorist organizations from operating within Iraq; help account for missing Kuwaitis and other individuals; return stolen Kuwaiti property and bear financial liability for damage from the Gulf War; and he was required to end his repression of the Iraqi people. Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated each of the following resolutions:

    UNSCR 1441 - November 8, 2002

    Called for the immediate and complete disarmament of Iraq and its prohibited weapons.
    Iraq must provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA full access to Iraqi facilities, individuals, means of transportation, and documents.
    States that the Security Council has repeatedly warned Iraq and that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations.
    UNSCR 1284 - December 17, 1999


    Created the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspections Commission (UNMOVIC) to replace previous weapon inspection team (UNSCOM).


    Iraq must allow UNMOVIC "immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access" to Iraqi officials and facilities.


    Iraq must fulfill its commitment to return Gulf War prisoners.


    Calls on Iraq to distribute humanitarian goods and medical supplies to its people and address the needs of vulnerable Iraqis without discrimination.
    UNSCR 1205 - November 5, 1998


    "Condemns the decision by Iraq of 31 October 1998 to cease cooperation" with UN inspectors as "a flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687 and other resolutions.


    Iraq must provide "immediate, complete and unconditional cooperation" with UN and IAEA inspectors.
    UNSCR 1194 - September 9, 1998


    "Condemns the decision by Iraq of 5 August 1998 to suspend cooperation with" UN and IAEA inspectors, which constitutes "a totally unacceptable contravention" of its obligations under UNSCR 687, 707, 715, 1060, 1115, and 1154.


    Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA weapons inspectors, and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
    UNSCR 1154 - March 2, 1998


    Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access, and notes that any violation would have the "severest consequences for Iraq."
    UNSCR 1137 - November 12, 1997


    "Condemns the continued violations by Iraq" of previous UN resolutions, including its "implicit threat to the safety of" aircraft operated by UN inspectors and its tampering with UN inspector monitoring equipment.


    Reaffirms Iraq's responsibility to ensure the safety of UN inspectors.


    Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
    UNSCR 1134 - October 23, 1997


    "Condemns repeated refusal of Iraqi authorities to allow access" to UN inspectors, which constitutes a "flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687, 707, 715, and 1060.


    Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.


    Iraq must give immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to Iraqi officials whom UN inspectors want to interview.
    UNSCR 1115 - June 21, 1997


    "Condemns repeated refusal of Iraqi authorities to allow access" to UN inspectors, which constitutes a "clear and flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687, 707, 715, and 1060.


    Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.


    Iraq must give immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to Iraqi officials whom UN inspectors want to interview.
    UNSCR 1060 - June 12, 1996


    "Deplores" Iraq's refusal to allow access to UN inspectors and Iraq's "clear violations" of previous UN resolutions.


    Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
    UNSCR 1051 - March 27, 1996


    Iraq must report shipments of dual-use items related to weapons of mass destruction to the UN and IAEA.


    Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
    UNSCR 949 - October 15, 1994


    "Condemns" Iraq's recent military deployments toward Kuwait.


    Iraq must not utilize its military or other forces in a hostile manner to threaten its neighbors or UN operations in Iraq.


    Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors.


    Iraq must not enhance its military capability in southern Iraq.
    UNSCR 715 - October 11, 1991


    Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA inspectors.
    UNSCR 707 - August 15, 1991


    "Condemns" Iraq's "serious violation" of UNSCR 687.


    "Further condemns" Iraq's noncompliance with IAEA and its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.


    Iraq must halt nuclear activities of all kinds until the Security Council deems Iraq in full compliance.


    Iraq must make a full, final and complete disclosure of all aspects of its weapons of mass destruction and missile programs.


    Iraq must allow UN and IAEA inspectors immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.


    Iraq must cease attempts to conceal or move weapons of mass destruction, and related materials and facilities.


    Iraq must allow UN and IAEA inspectors to conduct inspection flights throughout Iraq.


    Iraq must provide transportation, medical and logistical support for UN and IAEA inspectors.
    UNSCR 688 - April 5, 1991


    "Condemns" repression of Iraqi civilian population, "the consequences of which threaten international peace and security."


    Iraq must immediately end repression of its civilian population.


    Iraq must allow immediate access to international humanitarian organizations to those in need of assistance.
    UNSCR 687 - April 3, 1991


    Iraq must "unconditionally accept" the destruction, removal or rendering harmless "under international supervision" of all "chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities."


    Iraq must "unconditionally agree not to acquire or develop nuclear weapons or nuclear-weapons-usable material" or any research, development or manufacturing facilities.


    Iraq must "unconditionally accept" the destruction, removal or rendering harmless "under international supervision" of all "ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 KM and related major parts and repair and production facilities."


    Iraq must not "use, develop, construct or acquire" any weapons of mass destruction.


    Iraq must reaffirm its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.


    Creates the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) to verify the elimination of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons programs and mandated that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) verify elimination of Iraq's nuclear weapons program.


    Iraq must declare fully its weapons of mass destruction programs.


    Iraq must not commit or support terrorism, or allow terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq.


    Iraq must cooperate in accounting for the missing and dead Kuwaitis and others.


    Iraq must return Kuwaiti property seized during the Gulf War.
    UNSCR 686 - March 2, 1991


    Iraq must release prisoners detained during the Gulf War.


    Iraq must return Kuwaiti property seized during the Gulf War.


    Iraq must accept liability under international law for damages from its illegal invasion of Kuwait.
    UNSCR 678 - November 29, 1990


    Iraq must comply fully with UNSCR 660 (regarding Iraq's illegal invasion of Kuwait) "and all subsequent relevant resolutions."


    Authorizes UN Member States "to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area."
    Complete Index of UN Security Council Resolutions
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    Additional UN Security Council Statements
    In addition to the legally binding UNSCRs, the UN Security Council has also issued at least 30 statements from the President of the UN Security Council regarding Saddam Hussein's continued violations of UNSCRs. The index for UNSC Presidential Statements is on the UN website. The list of statements includes:

    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 28, 1991
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, February 5, 1992
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, February 19, 1992
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, February 28, 1992
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, March 6, 1992
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, March 11, 1992
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, March 12, 1992
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, April 10, 1992
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 17, 1992
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, July 6, 1992
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, September 2, 1992
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, November 23, 1992
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, November 24, 1992
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, January 8, 1993
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, January 11, 1993
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 18, 1993
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 28, 1993
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, November 23, 1993
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, October 8, 1994
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, March 19, 1996
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 14, 1996
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, August 23, 1996
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, December 30, 1996
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 13, 1997
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, October 29, 1997
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, November 13, 1997
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, December 3, 1997
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, December 22, 1997
    UN Security Council Presidential Statement, January 14, 1998
    Originally posted by Americanadian
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    Ooooohhhh, they violated 1 resolution??? In the meantime, Israel violates about a hundred, and nothing is done about them.
    Which 100 UN Security Council Resolutions did they violate?
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    franKg: Now don't go confusing the kook conspiracy therorists with facts. The only facts they recognize are from those loonier than they are. Even when you post the real facts, they still call you names and try to discredit the source. If it doesn't fit their template, then it can't be true. They wanted proof that Joe Wilson was a liar. It was shown 6 times where Joe Wilson lied, and they still denied he was a liar. Besides having the brain a potted geranium, it is also full of mulch. Great posts by the way, but understand you will not change these kooks minds one bit. They are right (now there is an oxymoron), and nothing you can say will change their opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franKg
    Which 100 UN Security Council Resolutions did they violate?
    Obviously you missed the posts a few times in various threads. I guess we will have to dig it back up for you as I doubt you will look for it yourself.

    That list of Iraq's is almost as long as Israel's. The only difference being, Iraq paid the price of not conforming to the resolutions, whereas Israel, is permitted to continue their atrocities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne
    franKg: Now don't go confusing the kook conspiracy therorists with facts. The only facts they recognize are from those loonier than they are. Even when you post the real facts, they still call you names and try to discredit the source. If it doesn't fit their template, then it can't be true. They wanted proof that Joe Wilson was a liar. It was shown 6 times where Joe Wilson lied, and they still denied he was a liar. Besides having the brain a potted geranium, it is also full of mulch. Great posts by the way, but understand you will not change these kooks minds one bit. They are right (now there is an oxymoron), and nothing you can say will change their opinion.
    I don't discount the fact that Iraq violated UN resolutions many times. But obviously you won't admit that Israel does the same, and they are permitted to carry on with their violations with no repercussions whatsoever. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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    franKie
    How about posting the UN Resolution that allowed the immediate use of force in Iraq to show that the invasion of Iraq was authorized by Article 39 of the UN charter? How about posting something to show that this invasion of Iraq was not the "preventive attack" it was which makes it illegal under section 51 of the UN charter? But then you guys only post the "real facts", right?

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