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    mlm-thetruth.com is the biggest scam

    mlm-thetruth.com and its mlm scam "test" which is being pushed on this website as an unbiased mlm scam detector is the biggest scam of all. It is actually an anti-mlm website that pretends to offer a "test" to help the uninformed determine if their mlm is legit but in reality determines that all mlms are scams. The joke of a "test" was designed with the author's predetermined end in mind that all mlms are scams and not to offer any truth or insight in to different mlm programs. Furthermore, the "test" does not accurately define what a true illegal pyramid is according to the authorities.

    So what does it say about a website and author that holds its self out as unbiased but in truth has a hidden agenda. LIER-SCAM-LIER-SCAM-LIER-SCAM-LIER-SCAM

    Would a person of integrity not simply come right out and state their opinion and provide supporting facts to back it up? Of course they would. The so-called scam detector is actually the biggest scam of all.

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    Re: mlm-thetruth.com is the biggest scam

    You should be out there recruiting like mad since your competition is growing at an exponential rate. Not wasting time on this forum.


    www.mlm-thetruth.com is a site funded by the consumer awareness institute and includes information and research performed on hundreds of mlm based businesses worldwide. The core function of the site is to give information to people considering joining an mlm based business. pros and cons.

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    Re: mlm-thetruth.com is the biggest scam

    You know what I find really sad about that site? There are probably people who have found a really great MLM company, but looked at that site and decided not to get involved because that site said it was a scam.... even though that site says EVERY MLM company is a scam. That website may have just prevented those people from having one of the best experiences of their lives, as well as possibly preventing them from making a lot of money.

    Even if you don't make money in MLM, which I didn't with my first company, it's the learning experience and the people you meet that can make it a great time in a person's life. If I had went to that site and listened to it... I probably wouldn't know a lot of the great people I know now. I also wouldn't have known enough about network marketing to be able to find the perfect company for me... which means I wouldn't be staying home with my daughter right now. Actually I wouldn't even have a daughter right now, because I met her father through network marketing!

    It's just absolutely crazy. I think people should run from that site, and stick to the advice that they get from some of the knowledgable UNBIASED people on here.
    I do not believe that MLM/Network Marketing is a bad business model. I believe it's the shady people in MLM that make it LOOK bad. As long as you work hard, run your business ethically, and work with ethical people, then MLM can help you reach your financial goals... whether it's just to make extra money on the side or a full-time income.

    "Never argue with an idiot. They just drag you down to their level and beat you with years of experience."

    Pink Zebra Sprinkles

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    Re: mlm-thetruth.com is the biggest scam

    For anyone tuning in, Ignited is recruiting for the company Ignite Stream and April47 is recruiting for Vibe Eniva.
    If you are considering joining either of these, I highly recommend April as she is much nicer and I hear Vibe tastes good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by April47
    really great MLM company, but looked at that site and decided not to get involved because that site said it was a scam....
    really great MLM company? Rofl you mlm pushers are funny.
    JESUS JUICE - Newest And Bestest Christ-Centered MLM Business Opportunity. If you really really really love Jesus and money PM me for info.

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    Re: mlm-thetruth.com is the biggest scam

    Quote Originally Posted by James tyler
    For anyone tuning in, Ignited is recruiting for the company Ignite Stream and April47 is recruiting for Vibe Eniva.
    If you are considering joining either of these, I highly recommend April as she is much nicer and I hear Vibe tastes good.
    Vibe has many attributes but tasting good is not one of them

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    I think MLM-Truth is a great website for consumers to understand and look at these things from a diffrent angle then those selling it.

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    Then why don't they come straight out and give their agenda and the facts they feel support their position? Their biased "test" is nothing more than a trick to come to the author's predetermined opinion. It's nothing more than a front. At least have the balls to state your opinion without hiding being this joke of a "test".

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    Re: mlm-thetruth.com is the biggest scam

    Quote Originally Posted by James tyler
    For anyone tuning in, Ignited is recruiting for the company Ignite Stream and April47 is recruiting for Vibe Eniva.
    If you are considering joining either of these, I highly recommend April as she is much nicer and I hear Vibe tastes good.
    Thank you James :) I appreciate that!
    I do not believe that MLM/Network Marketing is a bad business model. I believe it's the shady people in MLM that make it LOOK bad. As long as you work hard, run your business ethically, and work with ethical people, then MLM can help you reach your financial goals... whether it's just to make extra money on the side or a full-time income.

    "Never argue with an idiot. They just drag you down to their level and beat you with years of experience."

    Pink Zebra Sprinkles

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    Quote Originally Posted by jebaroo
    Vibe has many attributes but tasting good is not one of them
    It's all personal preference.

    Personally, I don't like the berry because it tastes like Flintstone vitamins and I took those when I was going through morning sickness so it brings back bad memories.. haha. The apple flavor, however, I absolutely LOVE. I mix it with about 5 oz of water and I love it. It tastes nasty when it's warm, but it's really good cold. I actually look forward to taking it every day.

    My mom loves the berry flavor and hates the apple. So again, it's all personal preference. It can also be an aquired taste for some people, and there are some people who just don't like the taste and never will.

    I think health and nutrition are more important than taste anyways.
    Last edited by April47; 06-27-2006 at 11:49 PM.
    I do not believe that MLM/Network Marketing is a bad business model. I believe it's the shady people in MLM that make it LOOK bad. As long as you work hard, run your business ethically, and work with ethical people, then MLM can help you reach your financial goals... whether it's just to make extra money on the side or a full-time income.

    "Never argue with an idiot. They just drag you down to their level and beat you with years of experience."

    Pink Zebra Sprinkles

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    Re: mlm-thetruth.com is the biggest scam

    Back to the mlm-thetruth.com website with the fixed "test". Here is an example of a real anaysis of an mlm. The author doesn't show any bias and provides an accurate legal basis for his statements. Either be biased or don't but don't pretend that you are unbaised with a fixed "test". Pay close attention to #4 and #6. This illustrates that the author Babener understands mlm law and the fake at mlm-thetruth.com is a lier.

    Is This a Pyramid or a Legitimate MLM?
    By Jeffrey A. Babener
    © 2003
    The Inevitable Question
    OK, you have either been recruited for a network marketing opportunity or you are the one doing the recruiting. Inevitably, this question will come up: Is this a pyramid scheme or a legitimate business opportunity?

    This Tuna's for Selling
    A Checklist

    1. Product and Price

    2. No Investment Required

    3. Purchase and Inventory Requirements

    4. Sales Commissions Sources

    5. Buy-Back Policy

    6. Retail Sales

    7. Active Role for Distributors

    8. Earnings Misrepresentations

    9. Good Training


    Although this is a complex legal area, a simple story draws a clear line in the sand. Party No. 1 sells Party No. 2 a case of cans of tuna fish for $10. Party No. 2 sells the same case to No. 3 for $20 and so on until No. 9 sells the case to No. 10 for $500. No. 10 opens the case and opens one of the cans, which turns out to be rancid. He goes back to No. 9 who refers him to No. 8 and so on until No. 10 goes to No. 1 to complain.

    "I have major problem," he says.

    "So, what's your problem?" says No. 1.

    "Well," says No. 10, "the tuna is rancid, it's inedible."

    "So, what's your problem," No. 1 says again.

    No. 10 says, "Like I said, this tuna is no good."

    "Well," says No. 1, "the way I see it, you don't really have a problem."

    "What do you mean?" says No. 10, "this stuff is worthless."

    "You don't understand," said No. 1, "this tuna is for selling, it's not for eating!"

    And there lies the difference. Distributors in a network marketing program that are merely buying product to buy into the deal as opposed to an intention of really making a market for it, are really working a pyramid scheme, not a legitimate direct selling business. Remember, when you offer this opportunity to your next-door neighbor or your best friend, it's your credibility that's going to be on the line for years to come.

    What to Look for - A Checklist
    So, what do you look for with respect to legitimacy vs. pyramid? Here's a good checklist to consider.

    Product and Price
    Does the company offer a high quality product for which there is a strong demand in the real world marketplace? Is the product fairly priced and priced competitively with similar products? Can the product be demonstrated, and does it stand out when you show it to friends? Is the product proprietary to the company, and available only through its distributors? (Have you ever noticed that you can't buy Avon products in stores or Shaklee vitamins at pharmacies?) Is it backed up with a customer satisfaction guarantee?
    Is post-sales service or customer assistance available? Do the people who participate in the program buy the product enthusiastically based on its own merits, even if they don't participate in the compensation program?

    Second, No Investment Requirement
    Can you participate in the company's program without having to make any investment other than purchasing a sales kit or demonstration materials sold at company cost?

    Third, Look at Purchase and Inventory Requirements
    Can you become a distributor or sales representative without having to fulfill a minimum up-front purchase or inventory requirement? (When you are pitched to put thousands of dollars of inventory at the very beginning, run fast in the opposite direction.) Does the company's compensation plan discourage inventory loading? Garages and backrooms filled with product serve no useful purpose to anyone.

    Fourth, Look at the Sales Commissions Sources
    Are sales commissions paid only on actual products or services sold through distributors in the network to the end-user or ultimate consumer? (This means that products don't end up in basements and closets. They are used, because they have genuine value.) Does the compensation plan avoid paying commissions or bonuses for the mere act of sponsoring or recruiting? (If it pays headhunting fees, it is illegal.)

    Fifth, Check the Buy-Back Policy
    Will the company buy back inventory and sales kit materials from distributors who cancel their participation in the program, as long as these items are in resalable condition? (This policy is required in states that have adopted multilevel distribution statutes.)

    Sixth and Very Important, Look for Retail Sales
    Is there an emphasis on actual retail sales to end-consumers? Can the company demonstrate efforts to market products to the ultimate consumer? Do the company's distributors have ongoing retailing requirements to qualify for commissions? What is a "retail sale?" The industry and many MLM statutes include both sales to nonparticipants and purchases in reasonable amounts for personal use by distributors. Some regulatory groups, including the FTC, have historically rejected personal use as a legitimate retail sale. Stay tuned as this debate continues. The legislative trend is definitely supportive of the industry position.

    Seventh, Expect an Active and not Passive Role for Distributors
    Are distributors in the company required to actively participate in the development and management of their networks? (Many of the MLM statutes require that distributors perform bona fide, supervisory, distributing, selling, or soliciting functions in moving product to the ultimate consumer.)

    Eighth, Watch Out for Earnings Misrepresentations
    Do the company's literature and training materials scrupulously avoid claims of income potential that is promises of specific income levels other than demonstrations of verifiable income levels within its program? (The Federal Trade Commission, attorneys general, and postal inspectors all have their eyes on the matter of earnings representations. The acceptable approach emerging is that there should be no earnings representations unless they are based on a verifiable track record of the average earnings of distributors. For instance, a company should have statistics to show the percentage of active distributors and the average earnings of active distributors.)

    Finally, Look for Good Training
    Does the company offer its independent distributors solid training opportunities in sales and recruitment? Are different levels of training offered to match the increasing levels of experience and responsibilities of distributors?

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    Re: mlm-thetruth.com is the biggest scam

    Ignited you're missing the whole point. No matter the product or service, the recruitment structure is what the site is talking about. As I've stated before it is well documented that people have a way better chance at making money joining an illegal money pyramid because the money stays within those involved. These product or service companies using recruiting mlm are way worse for making money because only a small amount of money collected makes it back to the recruiters and most of that stays in the top couple percent.
    This is why your company smells fishy, not because they are trying to sell dead fish, but they are trying to sell an opportunity that stinks.

    If you actually looked at the site www.mlm-thetruth.com and read the associated links and the research supporting the evaluation conclusions, then maybe you would be at least on the same topic as the rest of us. Maybe if you take some Vibe you'll start to make some sense, maybe you'll get nicer too.

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    Re: mlm-thetruth.com is the biggest scam

    Ignited,

    I left a question for you over on the Ignite/Stream thread.

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    Re: mlm-thetruth.com is the biggest scam

    The major point that I think any one would agree with is that people need to do some real research on there own before they join anything. Are there legit MLM out there? Absolutely! Is there a ton of scams out there? Absolutely! I know nothing about mlm-thetruth. But I do know another solid resource jpcservicesinc.com that has some interesting articles about these topics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ignited
    mlm-thetruth.com and its mlm scam "test" which is being pushed on this website as an unbiased mlm scam detector is the biggest scam of all. It is actually an anti-mlm website that pretends to offer a "test" to help the uninformed determine if their mlm is legit but in reality determines that all mlms are scams. The joke of a "test" was designed with the author's predetermined end in mind that all mlms are scams and not to offer any truth or insight in to different mlm programs. Furthermore, the "test" does not accurately define what a true illegal pyramid is according to the authorities.

    So what does it say about a website and author that holds its self out as unbiased but in truth has a hidden agenda. LIER-SCAM-LIER-SCAM-LIER-SCAM-LIER-SCAM

    Would a person of integrity not simply come right out and state their opinion and provide supporting facts to back it up? Of course they would. The so-called scam detector is actually the biggest scam of all.
    Could you be upset because your company is rated as the scam MLM that it is? MLM-TheTruth is not the only one that has labeled Ignite for being the MLM scam that it is.

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    Re: mlm-thetruth.com is the biggest scam

    That's like caring that Ted Kennedy calls Bush a right-wing extremist. What would you expect. mlm-the truth calls every mlm a scam so this is not news. How about providing a third party unbiased example? Regardless, Ignite is having another booming summer. The Stream machine rolls on.

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