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    Re: Why won't God heal amputee's?

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    I thought this would happen. I can't recall you ever quoting from the Bible. You claimed you've read it. I question that claim. Once, you said you totally rejected everything about it. I believe you touched the Bible, then suffered a belly ache. Unfortunately, you forgot to check to see if that was from the Bible or from something you ate.
    How would I quote the entire bible?

    Every story of God interacting shows how He isn't perfect. Any interaction at all shows he did not plan creation correctly.

    Every story of God's interaction shows his evil nature.
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    I'll take on one argument you made. The Bible identifies evil because in the real world it exists. I don't live in Disneyland. Do you? Look around, exam the consequences of lethal weapons, etc. and then tell me evil doesn't exist.

    Tell all those people who work in the criminal justice system there's no evil.
    Exactly my point. There is now evil most everywhere.

    Now where did evil exist before the moment of creation?

    What is the root cause of the creation of all this evil?

    How does a "pure and perfect" entity knowingly cause evil? How can a perfect creature plan to create such evil and then follow through with those plans?

    How can a pure creature, even if it accidentally created evil allow it to exist?

    The deity described in the bible can only be evil to create such evil.
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    I believe there will be a nuclear war in October of this year.
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    Re: Why won't God heal amputee's?

    God won't heal em cuz it's a "running joke" , ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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    Re: Why won't God heal amputee's?

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    How would I quote the entire bible?

    Every story of God interacting shows how He isn't perfect. Any interaction at all shows he did not plan creation correctly.

    Every story of God's interaction shows his evil nature.

    Exactly my point. There is now evil most everywhere.

    Now where did evil exist before the moment of creation?

    What is the root cause of the creation of all this evil?

    How does a "pure and perfect" entity knowingly cause evil? How can a perfect creature plan to create such evil and then follow through with those plans?

    How can a pure creature, even if it accidentally created evil allow it to exist?

    The deity described in the bible can only be evil to create such evil.
    Why would you care?

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    Re: Why won't God heal amputee's?

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    God won't heal em cuz it's a "running joke" , ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    LOL that's funny.
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    Re: Why won't God heal amputee's?

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    LOL that's funny.
    At least you have a sense of humor,lol.
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    Re: Why won't God heal amputee's?

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    Why would you care?
    I don't understand the question. Why do I care about what?

    Cnance asked me questions. I answered them.
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    Re: Why won't God heal amputee's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_jag View Post
    How would I quote the entire bible?

    Every story of God interacting shows how He isn't perfect. Any interaction at all shows he did not plan creation correctly.

    Every story of God's interaction shows his evil nature.

    Exactly my point. There is now evil most everywhere.

    Now where did evil exist before the moment of creation?

    What is the root cause of the creation of all this evil?

    How does a "pure and perfect" entity knowingly cause evil? How can a perfect creature plan to create such evil and then follow through with those plans?

    How can a pure creature, even if it accidentally created evil allow it to exist?

    The deity described in the bible can only be evil to create such evil.
    You don't have to quote the entire Bible, just quote the idea your discussing. Otherwise, its a general discussion with no substance. I can't recall you ever quoting the Bible. You loose legitimacy by not knowing what your talking about.

    Explain how every story of God's interaction shows his evil nature. You can't score any debate points by frivolous statements like that.

    As for your comments about God is responsible for evil because He created everything. That's a poor argument because it fails to address the nature of God. If you had read the Bible you would know the answer. If you had read what the prophets wrote, you would know that God have given His creatures free will. I recall having this discussion with you before. Then, as now, it went no where. You prefer to demonize God rather than understand Him.

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    Re: Why won't God heal amputee's?

    Lord Jag, the master of double speak. It's what ilk like him do.
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    Re: Why won't God heal amputee's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_jag View Post
    I don't understand the question. Why do I care about what?

    Cnance asked me questions. I answered them.
    The question is very straight-forward...
    You stated "The deity described in the bible can only be evil to create such evil."

    My question is, "Why would you care?"

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    Re: Why won't God heal amputee's?

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    You don't have to quote the entire Bible, just quote the idea your discussing. Otherwise, its a general discussion with no substance. I can't recall you ever quoting the Bible. You loose legitimacy by not knowing what your talking about.

    Explain how every story of God's interaction shows his evil nature. You can't score any debate points by frivolous statements like that.

    As for your comments about God is responsible for evil because He created everything. That's a poor argument because it fails to address the nature of God. If you had read the Bible you would know the answer. If you had read what the prophets wrote, you would know that God have given His creatures free will. I recall having this discussion with you before. Then, as now, it went no where. You prefer to demonize God rather than understand Him.
    Every story shows God is evil. I would need to quote the entire bible to discuss the idea. Otherwise I am only discussing a few cases.

    So, you pick the case. You pick the story, any story, and I'll show you how that shows God is evil.

    So God created free will and gave the creatures will to do evil. God created evil. Simpler yet, God did evil.
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    Re: Why won't God heal amputee's?

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    The question is very straight-forward...
    You stated "The deity described in the bible can only be evil to create such evil."

    My question is, "Why would you care?"
    I care because people who want to be this mythical fairies faithful followers are in positions to influence those who make laws defining how I can or cannot live my life.
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    Re: Why won't God heal amputee's?

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    Lord Jag, the master of double speak. It's what ilk like him do.
    I'm a master of double speak because I noticed you have as much hate and will for destruction as a Muslim terrorist?

    Oh well. If that's the case, so be it.

    You can just call me Master from now on if you like.
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    I believe there will be a nuclear war in October of this year.
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    Re: Why won't God heal amputee's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_jag View Post
    I care because people who want to be this mythical fairies faithful followers are in positions to influence those who make laws defining how I can or cannot live my life.
    such as...

    (asking which laws)

    The last time I looked the way one lives their life was their business.

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    Re: Why won't God heal amputee's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_jag View Post
    Every story shows God is evil. I would need to quote the entire bible to discuss the idea. Otherwise I am only discussing a few cases.

    So, you pick the case. You pick the story, any story, and I'll show you how that shows God is evil.

    So God created free will and gave the creatures will to do evil. God created evil. Simpler yet, God did evil.
    No, you show me. Why does every story of the Bible show that God is evil? That is an absurd statement. Your hate for God is obvious. You position is illogical. I suspect it's because you want absolute freedom. That's my guess. Is that true? If so, it's not possible. Only God has absolute freedom.

    No, you don't understand. Free will means you can make choices. It also means you must accept responsibility for consequences. If I chose to jump off a bridge, I must accept the consequences of dying. God's creatures do not have absolution from consequences.

    If you read the Bible it's very clear, the Lord gave Israel choices. If they made wrong choices, bad consequences would follow. The Bible is all about consequences. If you blame God, then accept the consequences for that choice. You made the choice, not God.

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    Re: Why won't God heal amputee's?

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulM View Post
    such as...

    (asking which laws)

    The last time I looked the way one lives their life was their business.
    I guess you don't live in North America or that would be painfully obvious.

    Here's one to get you started:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/13/business/13lobby.html
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    Re: Why won't God heal amputee's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    No, you show me.
    All of them.
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    Why does every story of the Bible show that God is evil?
    I'm guessing because he IS evil?
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    That is an absurd statement. Your hate for God is obvious.
    Exactly how do you hate a creature that doesn't exist? Do you hate Darth Vader or Lex Luther?
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    You position is illogical. I suspect it's because you want absolute freedom. That's my guess. Is that true? If so, it's not possible. Only God has absolute freedom.
    Absolute freedom? There's no such thing. We will always be bound to universal laws.
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    No, you don't understand. Free will means you can make choices. It also means you must accept responsibility for consequences. If I chose to jump off a bridge, I must accept the consequences of dying. God's creatures do not have absolution from consequences.
    And God knows what choices you will make long before he decides to give you free will.
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    If you read the Bible it's very clear, the Lord gave Israel choices. If they made wrong choices, bad consequences would follow.
    God gave them limited choices and limited information to make those choices. He also knew exactly how each piece of information he gave or withheld would affect those choices. Look up a term called "dealers choice". This is what God presented Israel. Free will is not possible when dealing with the all knowing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    The Bible is all about consequences. If you blame God, then accept the consequences for that choice. You made the choice, not God.
    Of course I made that choice. I am real. God is not. I don't blame a mythical creature for anything. He's mythical. He's not real. And the God portrayed in the bible is pure evil.
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    I believe there will be a nuclear war in October of this year.
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