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    Re: "Power of our own Meditations"

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    i was thinking more like a soul is a blank slate while a spirit is an eternal absolute!? and meditations are the souls mental experiences/interactions with spirit!? :freak3: :cwm2: :spin2: :
    I don't agree with that relationship. We may think we have an eternal soul because that's what we've learned from religion, but is it true? Based on raw data from living and dying, I believe we're like any other species. We just think we're superior.

    I believe meditation is a process of just thinking about issues. We are a problem solving species. We think a lot about solutions to things that are disturbing. Much of our thought process conforms to principles of cognitive dissonance. We find incongruities disturbing and seek solutions to resolve them.

    There are other characteristics of meditation that need to be mentioned. Assuming humans are ego driven, meditation tends to elevate one to a higher plain. Thinking of oneself as an eternal being with powers beyond this world certain qualifies as "the ultimate self-esteem maintenance experience."
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    Re: "Power of our own Meditations"

    Meditations spoken here from Tolstoy was not relating to Meditation as far as what we today think meditation is.

    Meditations are our thoughts.

    Tolstoy was from a different time.

    He understood that as man read the scriptures.
    He (man), during his day (man again) was taught that God speaks to Men through thoughts formed by Him (man), by studying the scriptures and have a revealed truth to him (man) and that this truth as they interpreted it, was a steadfast truth.
    Willing, even to go against (killing & torture) the teachings to prove his (mans) truth being taught to them directly from God himself.

    Big mistake.

    But, man throughout all of history have been a sheeple people.
    We trust in the lowest of men too lead us in Religions and Governments.
    Hence we have Organized religions led by men that are not without sin and thus are Gods own conduit !!!!!!!!!.

    "Like the blind leading the blind"

    A few examples:
    1. Catholic Church has an infalible leader a Human who was in the Nazi Party Youth and manned a Anti-Aircraft Gun.
    2. Priest's rape the youth.
    3. Their really sorry to for 600 million dead by their hands.
    4. Changing Yahuah's Sabbath
    5. Having to give 10% of your income.
    6. Using Pagan names on our calender.
    7. Manifest Destiny (look that up)
    8. America is the New Promised Land.
    9. a Little Girls dream in the 1830's brought about the Rapture theory.
    All non-catholic (most others that claim Christianity) now believe this dreamer.
    Of course the list need's being added to, but that could turn out to be volumes.
    10. You have to be Saved by some and not by others.
    If all who claimed Him would only obey Him.

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    Re: "Power of our own Meditations"

    while meditation may apply to all thought i think the word was coined as a way of leaving thought behind, AKA letting go!? this indicates there is mind without thought, or a different type of thought, so different it is not considered thought!? it is a REST from thought!? a non identifiable happiness!? all other happiness is identifiable and therefore susceptible to thought!? and all thought has a counter thought or adversarial component!?
    and what can we call thought but a FORM of guidance!? against what BACKGROUND/foundation is this guidance formed!? i think people can be differentiated by their ability to REST/wrest their mind from thought OR NOT!? without this ability all thought becomes dangerous!? because man is forced to carry out thought if there is no other KNOWN choice!? if there is no REST from thought!? a knowledge of NOTHING!? a nothing that is invincible/immortal until the first thought, the mortal adventure realized!? we hold the power of realization as our only vehicle of choice!? meditation is the way to the discovery of this power!? : :spin2:
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    Re: "Power of our own Meditations"

    Our own thoughts have led us astray. (meditations).

    Away from the greatest of aliya.
    Which is to ascend to the highest state of man.

    Our original destiny would have us developing through fellowship with God to being a Son of God such as Enoch was made into one. "Human transference to Outer worldly form".

    That's way beyond my knowledge thoguh pretty cool.

    His name became, and get this Mega Tron.

    Our way of thinking was off, we thought not in a "hive" but individually.

    Our Creator was either deliberate in giving us separate thought, which then one could either believe or one chose not.
    What the original full no doubt no other way kids of the parents wishes that this parent (God) thought would naturally develop with an all encompassing love.
    To the point of physically coming out of an unseen physical world.
    HE wanted to know why we where they we where.
    As all other Prophets before Him were killed. He knew it in advance, cause he knew what Tolsty had to discover .

    Our "Thoughts" not "meditation" is what is what is gonna kill man, again.

    Our thoughts do us in.

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    Re: "Power of our own Meditations"

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    Our own thoughts have led us astray. (meditations).

    Away from the greatest of aliya.
    Which is to ascend to the highest state of man.

    Our original destiny would have us developing through fellowship with God to being a Son of God such as Enoch was made into one. "Human transference to Outer worldly form".

    That's way beyond my knowledge thoguh pretty cool.

    His name became, and get this Mega Tron.

    Our way of thinking was off, we thought not in a "hive" but individually.

    Our Creator was either deliberate in giving us separate thought, which then one could either believe or one chose not.
    What the original full no doubt no other way kids of the parents wishes that this parent (God) thought would naturally develop with an all encompassing love.
    To the point of physically coming out of an unseen physical world.
    HE wanted to know why we where they we where.
    As all other Prophets before Him were killed. He knew it in advance, cause he knew what Tolsty had to discover .

    Our "Thoughts" not "meditation" is what is what is gonna kill man, again.

    Our thoughts do us in.
    How can thoughts and meditation be different? Both derive from our minds, both are the consequences of individual choice about what to think and what not to think. If I think about pornography, you may say I am meditating about sex. How is that different than saying I am meditating about the Bible. One is condoned and the other is condemned as sin.

    If you mean meditation leads to communication with God, well, you may have a point. However, that is pure conjecture and taking into consideration the disagreements between "holy people," there is no evidence for such an assertion.

    History is a clear record about abuses of "holy meditation." It is an immense problem for Christian because they claim from Paul and the gospels to "have the holy spirit."

    Almost everyday a new church begins based on someone's meditations. Christians claim communication with God through the Holy Spirit, one-third of the trinity. Because there are so many denominations. According to Doojie, there are 38,000. We can conclude that God has no part of meditation, unless God is not God. He therefore must be whatever one thinks he is according to meditation.
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    Re: "Power of our own Meditations"

    Tolstoy could of just said it in American of the 2000"s, but He said it the way he did.
    How it would be titled in this day would more then likely "THOUGHTS."

    LIKE,
    I thought this was right.
    NOT
    I meditated this was right.


    Same thing, just they talked a Tad Bit differently in mannerisms and speech.

    That was the point to everyone.

    Thoughts on every subject are not the best possible explanations for things by the one for the many.

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    Re: "Power of our own Meditations"

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    Tolstoy could of just said it in American of the 2000"s, but He said it the way he did.
    How it would be titled in this day would more then likely "THOUGHTS."

    LIKE,
    I thought this was right.
    NOT
    I meditated this was right.


    Same thing, just they talked a Tad Bit differently in mannerisms and speech.

    That was the point to everyone.

    Thoughts on every subject are not the best possible explanations for things by the one for the many.
    Sorry, I misinterpreted what you posted. I need to read Tolstoy.

    I am editing. Based on your first posting about what Tolstoy said about the holy spirit, I believe we are in agreement.
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    Re: "Power of our own Meditations"

    Ya know!

    I'm sometimes just a little vague, I like to mention stuff and wait to see what intelligent conversations can be had between objecting view points .

    I only really try to give out views of others, so much more intelligent then I could ever take credit for.

    I feel real intelligence to be most desirable in this Human Body for all else is folly and waste.

    Wisdom first and Correctness second, third your spirit, where it will rest.

    "I think this way, so I must live this way"


    Ancient Knowledge which holds so true.

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    Re: "Power of our own Meditations"

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    Ya know!

    I'm sometimes just a little vague, I like to mention stuff and wait to see what intelligent conversations can be had between objecting view points .

    I only really try to give out views of others, so much more intelligent then I could ever take credit for.

    I feel real intelligence to be most desirable in this Human Body for all else is folly and waste.

    Wisdom first and Correctness second, third your spirit, where it will rest.

    "I think this way, so I must live this way"


    Ancient Knowledge which holds so true.

    I think you have a good soul and I've enjoyed your postings. Yes, I agree, Wisdom is first. All else is folly and waste.

    If only we could partake of God's Holiness, then, all else would be in vain.

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    Re: "Power of our own Meditations"

    Note that a particular religious message that they believe what they feel the Spirit of God for them as have a very true and that the meaning of truth need to speak to him to argue spread to convince the world that God speaks to them and all other terms of ultimately wrong because they are divine light and no other.

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    Re: "Power of our own Meditations"

    You got it.

    Everyone thinks they are right, when in reality we are sin and can never be right.

    To be right is to be LOVE.

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    Re: "Power of our own Meditations"

    as far as meditation and thought being the same thing, i would say that meditation is the holding to a specific thought, or associated thoughts under ordinary uneducated/unaware living/ practice, while the 'idea' of educated meditation is to find freedom from thought!? and i would further say that all thought is actually feeling, being derived from feeling!? so meditation is feeling!? and feeling is being!? and being is either of/with thought or it is not!? to find a state of mind without 'thought' is to 'be' indestructible/immortal/all knowing!? everybody ready!? OHMMMMMMMM.........OHMMMMM......PIZZA!! who's gonna chip in......i want pineapple and NO anchovies!! :freak3: :spin2: :spidey: :
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