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    Christians are lying about hell...

    Hell isn't burning and won't burn forever..

    Merriam-Webster's Dictionary Etymology of the word hell:
    Middle English, from Old English; akin to Old English helan to conceal, Old High German helan, Latin celare, Greek kalyptein

    Sheol and Hades
    The hebrew word "sheol") is often translated as "grave" or "hell" in the Old Testament. This is simply a place where people bury their dead and mourn (Genesis 37:35). Jonah compared the belly of the whale to a grave, which was translated as "hell" (Jonah 2:1-2 ). The Greek word "hades" was translated the same way (Acts 2:31, 1 Corinthians 15:55, Revelation 1:18).

    The Lake of Fire
    The only relation of fire with "hell" is when the the sea, death, and hades (the graves) bring up the dead to be judged according to what they've done. Death and Hell is then cast into a lake of fire and so is anyone who isn't found in the book of life (Revelation 20:12-15). This fire doesn't not originate from hell, but rather it comes down from heaven to devour the decieved, then the devil is cast into the lake of fire as it was planned (Matthew 25:41, Revelation 20:9-10). This event has not occured yet, but will occur at an appointed time (Romans 2:7) and ultimately the wicked will burned as stubble (Malachi 4:1). Sodom was burned with eternal fire and still isn't burning, so what could this mean of the lake of fire (Jude 1:7)?

    Hinnom Valley (Gehenna)
    Jesus says not to fear them that kill the body, but to fear him who can destroy both body and soul in "hell" which in this case refers to Genenna or Hinnon Valley (Matthew 10:28). This valley was anciently used by idolatrous Israelites who worshipped the pagan gods of Moloch and Baal through the abominable sacrifices of passing their children through fire, basically burning them alive (2Kings 16:3, 23:10; 2Chronicles 28:3, Jeremiah 7:31). The valley was held in such abhorrence that it was made the place to throw all the dead carcasses and filth of the city, and was frequently the place of public executions. To clear the air of the foul smell of rotting flesh, fires were kept continually burning there, thus known as unquenchable fires. When Jesus spoke of this valley, he may have been pointing forward to the lake of fire.

    The Rich Man and Lazarus - Luke 16:19-31
    When reading this parable, we should consider the following:
    -A man cannot literally enter into “the bosom” or chest of Abraham.
    -It is impossible for anyone who is literally burning in fire to carry on a normal conversation.
    -Can those in heaven and hell talk to each other?
    -The rich man was represented as being “bodily” in hell, with eyes, a mouth, a tongue, etc. This is obviously symbolic. If the rich man’s grave was dug up, wouldn’t his body be there? Of course.
    -A real man burning in fire would not ask for a little ***** to cool his tongue.
    -Jesus Christ did not interpret every parable He told. Yet He did interpret the parable of the wheat and the weeds in Matthew 13. In His interpretation of this parable, Jesus said plainly that hell-fire occurs at the end, rather than at death. Read Matthew 13:40.
    -2 Peter 2:9 says that the lost will not be punished until “the day of judgment” which occurs at the end of the 1000 years (see Revelation 20:11-15).
    -The purpose of this parable was to teach the greedy Pharisees that contrary to their present opinions, the rich are not necessarily blessed and the poor cursed (16:14, 22-23), that a man’s destiny is fixed at death (16:26), that speaking against Him with their “tongues” would result in their going into hell-fire (16:4), and that if they would not believe Moses and the prophets, a resurrection would not convince them (16:29, 31).

    This parable simply declares that we must believe Moses and the prophets. Nowhere in the writings of “Moses and the prophets” do people instantly go to heaven or into hell-fire at death. Why did Jesus use the name Lazarus? Because this parable was also a prophecy. At the end of His life Jesus would resurrect a real person named Lazarus, yet this miracle would still not convince the Pharisees that He was the Messiah. John 11:1-53.

    Note: We should interpret parables in the light of the rest of the Bible, rather than the rest of the Bible in the light of one parable.

    Punishment for Sin and “Hell Fire” Is Future - Not Now
    Matthew 13:40 “As the weeds are gathered and burned in the fire, so will it be at the end of this world.”
    Matthew 25:41 Jesus Christ sends the lost into the fire after His Second Coming.
    2 Peter 2:9 God will “reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished.”
    Revelation 20:11-13 The day of judgment occurs at the end of the 1000 years.
    Revelation 20:5, 13-15 The “lake of fire” occurs at the end of the 1000 years.

    The Final Hell Fire Will Be On Planet Earth
    2 Peter 3:7 “The heavens and the earth which are now ... are reserved unto fire.”
    2 Peter 3:10 “The earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.”
    Revelation 20:8-9
    At the end of the 1000 years, “They [the lost] went up on the breadth of the earth ... and fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.”

    Hell Fire Will Totally Destroy All the Wicked, Even Satan!
    Psalms 37:20 “The wicked shall perish ... they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.”
    Psalms 37:38 “Transgressors will be destroyed together.”
    Ezekiel 28:15, 18-19 Satan will become “ashes” on the “earth”
    Malachi 4:1, 3 The “day cometh” when the lost “burn up” and become “ashes.”
    John 3:16 Those who are lost will “perish.”
    Romans 6:23 The wages of sin is “death,” not eternal life in hell fire.
    Matthew 3:12 “Unquenchable fire” will totally “burn up” the wicked.
    Matthew 10:28 “Fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”
    Revelation 21:8; 20:14 “The lake of fire ... is the second death.”

    Even The Lake of Fire Will “Pass Away”
    Revelation 20:7-9 At the end of the 1000 years, the lost are “the earth.”
    Revelation 20:9 God’s fire falls on them, and they are “devoured.”
    Revelation 20:14-15 The earth becomes one big “lake of fire” as God purifies it from sin. The lost suffer the “second death” in that lake.
    Revelation 21:1 Then there is a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and first earth (where the lake of fire was) has passed away.
    Revelation 21:4 there will be no more pain, suffering, sorrow, or death

    Note: If the lake of fire burned forever, there would always be pain and sorrow somewhere in the universe and Revelation 21:4 could never come true. But it is true. Sin will be gone forever and pain will cease to exist throughout God’s entire universe!

    Revelation 20:10 - “Tormented ... Forever”?
    Revelation 20:9 says the lost are “devoured” by the fire that “came down from God out of heaven” at the end of the 1000 years. Yet then verse 10 speaks of “torment” forever. Which is it? If you look closely, verse 9 uses no symbolism, yet verse 10 does. Verse 9 is a literal account of what happens to the lost, while verse 10 speaks symbolically of the “beast.” In fact, every time the book of Revelation speaks of the lost burning “forever,” those verses are ALWAYS connected with symbolism (see Revelation 14:11 and 19:3). The word “forever” in the Bible doesn’t always literally mean forever. 57 times the word is used for a period of time that comes to an end. Jonah was in the fish “forever” before he came out (see Jonah 2:6). Samuel’s mother wanted him to serve God in the temple “forever” which really meant “as long as he lives.” 1 Samuel 1:22, 28.

    Jude 1:7 - “Eternal Fire”?
    In Jude 1:7, the city of Sodom is described as being destroyed by “eternal fire.” Is Sodom burning today? No. Therefore the “eternal fire” has gone out. The phrase, “eternal fire,” means it was a fire from God with eternal consequences. It was “unquenchable” by man (see Matthew 3:12; Jeremiah 17:27; Isaiah 66:24). The destruction of Sodom was also an “example” of what will happen to the wicked at the end. According to the Bible, God’s eternal fire turned Sodom into “ashes” (2 Peter 2:6) “in a moment.” Lamentations 4:6. This is similar to what will happen to all the lost at the end of the 1000 years when they are cast into the lake of fire, “which is the second death.” Revelation 20:14.

    Matthew 25:46 - “Everlasting Punishment”?
    Jesus warned that He will someday declare to lost sinners, “Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels” Matthew 25:41. Is this fire the same type of fire mentioned in Jude 1:7, which is one that destroys completely? We know it is because five verses later Jesus clarified “everlasting punishment” would come upon the lost, not “everlasting punishing.” This is the same as “everlasting destruction” 2 Thessalonians 1:9. Matthew 25:46 contrasts everlasting punishment with “eternal life” which is given only to those who believe in Jesus. John 3:16; 1 John 5:12. The wicked will not live forever, but will finally die the “second death.” Revelation 20:14. See also Ezekiel 18:4. Hence we can see that the lost experience “everlasting punishment,” not punishing, just like the Sodomites.

    “Behold, the day is coming, that will burn as an oven.
    And all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, shall be stubble,
    and the day that is coming shall burn them up, says the Lord of hosts, That it shall leave them neither root nor branch. Malachi 4:1

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    Re: Christians are lying about hell...

    You've done some studying. Very Good!

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    Re: Christians are lying about hell...

    Quote Originally Posted by iamwil View Post
    Ya think or some cuttin and pastin...

    Hell is a place in your mind...a perception which you manifest in your life...

    ...or not.
    The whole argument is valid only if you happen to accept the bible itself and the historical context it was written as authoritative.

    For those who don't, hell is a waste of discussion. For those who do, hell is a necessary discussion regarding implications of biblical teachings.

    The problem is, there is no way to be certain in either case, so you're merely choosig a belief which may or may not be true.

    There may not be a God in the first place, and we have no ability to prove otherwise.

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    Re: Christians are lying about hell...

    As usual, the scriptures are twisted out of context, probably by a Mormon or Jehovah's Witness, who are lost souls anyway. Guess they'll find out the hard way if hell is real. Christ spoke a great deal about a place where the worm dieth not, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. and FIRE.

    Hell is inside the earth and is a giant PENAL SYSTEM designed to hold the unsaved until they are dragged up for the White Throne Judgment. This judgment is only for the lost and takes place after the 1,000 year reign of Christ.

    That the Lord will have a Lake of Fire stashed somewhere in His universe in no way negates the fact that the REDEEMED will no longer feel pain or sorrow. They are not in the Lake of Fire but are in glory and will also inherit the earth.

    The long-winded poster up yonder cannot rightly divide the Word of Truth!
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    Re: Christians are lying about hell...

    It's a town in Michigan.

    Hell, Michigan. :spin2:
    Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science. -C. Darwin

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    Re: Christians are lying about hell...

    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle Eye888 View Post
    As usual, the scriptures are twisted out of context, probably by a Mormon or Jehovah's Witness, who are lost souls anyway. Guess they'll find out the hard way if hell is real. Christ spoke a great deal about a place where the worm dieth not, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. and FIRE.

    Hell is inside the earth and is a giant PENAL SYSTEM designed to hold the unsaved until they are dragged up for the White Throne Judgment. This judgment is only for the lost and takes place after the 1,000 year reign of Christ.

    That the Lord will have a Lake of Fire stashed somewhere in His universe in no way negates the fact that the REDEEMED will no longer feel pain or sorrow. They are not in the Lake of Fire but are in glory and will also inherit the earth.

    The long-winded poster up yonder cannot rightly divide the Word of Truth!
    :angel:
    So EagleEye just for the sake of argument.... let's suppose that you are right about everything you just wrote.
    That means that you are a voice of one that is calling out in the wilderness of the internet "WHAT" exactly>???

    Is the fact that you believe with everything that is within you that what you believe as true .....in fact is TRUE??

    That is not really the only explanation for what life on the planet Earth is all about. i.e. to live.... learn about the story of the bible , get the message, get as much knowledge as you can, then what .....??? Pass it on ? Tell someone else something you only guess is true? And they now go and have the same privledge of passing on the same "wishful thinking" to another??

    So I didn't know for sure....but everyone around me seemed to have been so sure....so that made me think that I was reasonably correct to proseletyze everything that kinda of....seemed like....was the acceptable way of living the "christian life".

    But that brings me to another story of the Earth being spoken of as a Flat Land....and watch it !!! or you could fall off the edge if you sail to close to the horizon. Well ?? Didn't people carry this same message for years around the globe ? Was it true ? As far as anyone's best guest it seems plausible.

    But then there were people willing to find out for sure... and they did.

    But all is not as simple in Pie in the Sky fairytales of God and the Jesus Complex, is it?? No there you have to believe regardless of whether anything can be proven. That is the best Con-Job I have seen in all my life, so far. But it doesn't matter that I have these thoughts, life really is quite the adventure with belief in God and just as adventurous with no belief at all.

    Good to see so many with different points of view and still behaving rather civil compared to some other threads on Scam.com
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    Re: Christians are lying about hell...

    Quote Originally Posted by nomaxim View Post
    It's a town in Michigan.

    Hell, Michigan. :spin2:
    yep,,,your right, been to Hell many times myself and only saw one small fire, guy burning leaves.

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    @ Sandman: It is perfectly fine for you to exercise your free will, insofar as to believe or disbelieve the precepts of Christ.

    However, I remain fully persuaded that what He said about the afterlife and everything else He expounded on, is fully factually and absolutely the Gospel truth. His resurrection from the dead was the greatest event in history, sealing His claim to Divinty fully.

    The media likes to shine a light on people who have died and were resuscitated who are not believers. They report the tunnel and white light story repeatedly. The gist of this is a satanic deception aimed at coaxing people to feel 'safe', i.e., that we are all going to the same place after we die.

    However, there have also been reports about people who were brought back from a fiery place of torment! These reports are squelched. I read a report of a man who was screaming as he lay dying, because he could see where he was going...........the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man that Jesus spoke was quite literal.

    Also downplayed are reports of people who have been around volcanic calderas and other geographic areas who have heard the distinct sound of wailing and screaming from under the earth.

    You might want to do a search on 'is hell real' and see where it takes you.:judges:

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    A big P.S. here: The subject of this blog should be changed to "Christ is lying about Hell' since He's the One Who talked about it possibly more than any other subject.
    The obvious reason for this was so that we can avoid going there through faith in His shed blood for our sins at Calvary.

    His express point in coming to Earth as the Godman, the Last Adam, was to destroy the works of the devil, who only comes to steal, kill and destroy. Hell is the consequence of rejecting God's offer of eternal life.

    Jesus said " I have come that they might have life, and have it more abundantly".:angel:

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomaxim View Post
    It's a town in Michigan.

    Hell, Michigan. :spin2:
    hahahahaha!!!! Crazy people....
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    Whatever, dude. The subject of the afterlife is not crazy. That you haven't pondered it shows you are likely dumb and caught up in the here and now, with no thought for God. Rest assured He has His finger on your pulse and will catch up with you in due season.

    Frankly, I think people who ignore the spiritual aspect of existence are total wash-outs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle Eye888 View Post
    Whatever, dude. The subject of the afterlife is not crazy. That you haven't pondered it shows you are likely dumb and caught up in the here and now, with no thought for God. Rest assured He has His finger on your pulse and will catch up with you in due season.

    Frankly, I think people who ignore the spiritual aspect of existence are total wash-outs.
    Iam pretty sure that he was refering to the comment about hell Michigan as being crazy. So is it a assumption on your part that he has not pondered it or do you know this for sure?
    Can you show me anywhere in the Bible where you are appointed judge and can read hearts?

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    Re: Christians are lying about hell...

    In order to suffer hell, you need a soul. Otherwise you suffer the same fate as infra-human species. That's confirmed in Genesis ("from dust we came and to dust we return").

    I believe it's wishful thinking to think otherwise.

    In prophets encounters with angels and God (Lord) , there are no descriptions of humans in heaven.

    I agree that references in Revelation to forever is symbolic for "as long as they live." For those who suffer from torture or horrible death, there's hell on earth.
    Last edited by Cnance; 09-24-2010 at 10:40 AM.

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    Re: Christians are lying about hell...

    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle Eye888 View Post
    [B]As usual, the scriptures are twisted out of context, probably by a Mormon or Jehovah's Witness
    :angel:
    Nope, the doctrine of soul mortality is rather old

    Historical proponents of soul mortality
    William Tyndale (1484–1536), English Bible translator
    "And ye, in putting them [the departed souls] in heaven, hell and purgatory, destroy the arguments wherewith Christ and Paul prove theresurrection...And again, if the souls be in heaven, tell me why they be not in as good a case as the angels be? And then what cause is there of the resurrection?"
    — William Tyndale, An Answer to Sir Thomas More's Dialogue (1530)

    Martin Luther (1493–1546), German reformer and Bible translator
    "Salomon judgeth that the dead are a sleepe, and feele nothing at all. For the dead lye there accompting neyther dayes nor yeares, but when they are awoken, they shall seeme to have slept scarce one minute." — Martin Luther, An Exposition of Salomon's Booke, called Ecclesiastes or the Preacher (translation 1573)

    John Milton (1608–1674), English poet and Latin secretary to Oliver Cromwell
    "Inasmuch then as the whole man is uniformly said to consist of body, and soul (whatever may be the distinct provinces assigned to these divisions), I will show, that in death, first, the whole man, and secondly, each component part, suffers privation of life...The grave is the common guardian of all till the day of judgment."
    — John Milton, De Doctrina Christiana (never published)

    Thomas Hobbes Leviathan ch.38,44,46
    Richard Overton Mans Mortalitie (1644)
    Isaac Newton (1642–1727), English polymath

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle Eye888 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by captain1821 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nomaxim View Post
    It's a town in Michigan.

    Hell, Michigan. :spin2:
    hahahahaha!!!! Crazy people....
    Whatever, dude. The subject of the afterlife is not crazy. That you haven't pondered it shows you are likely dumb and caught up in the here and now, with no thought for God. Rest assured He has His finger on your pulse and will catch up with you in due season.

    Frankly, I think people who ignore the spiritual aspect of existence are total wash-outs.
    LMAO!!!

    Dude! Can you read? Can you click a link?

    Obviously I was referring to the comment about hell Michigan which I quoted just above my message so everyone can see what I was talking about...

    …and everyone got that except you. Maybe this means that you are the dumb here, not me.

    Anyway, since it seems that you have some kind of authority on the "spiritual aspect of existence", tell me this:
    Name calling and judging others hard is acceptable from God?

    :spin2: :spin2: :spin2:

    By the way, God “catching up with me in due season” is MY business! You better look and deal with your own business. :)
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