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    Re: The Christian Right: Liars Traitors, Hate Mongers!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawb
    You're in a good mood there Raider. I guess you took that advice and talked to your doctor about Viagra? Show'em you're a tiger right ?
    LOL.That's what always happens when Raider mixes the Viagra with his daily Prozac and Lithium cocktail.
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    Re: The Christian Right: Liars Traitors, Hate Mongers!!!

    Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism
    By Michelle Goldberg

    As a resurgent Taliban takes over large swatches of Afghanistan, changing that nation's social mores, educational curriculum, and legal system, many Americans would be shocked to discover how massive and powerful the new American Christian Taliban has become. So powerful, in fact, that it could be argued it's taken over large portions of the federal government, several state governments, and thousands of county and municipal governments.

    Indeed, billions of dollars of your and my taxpayer dollars are today being diverted to GOP-affiliated ultra-rightist so-called Christian "charities" across the nation, without even the benefit of enabling legislation in many cases. As Michelle Goldberg writes in "Kingdom Coming":

    "The diversion of billions of taxpayer dollars from secular social service organizations to such sectarian religious outfits has been one of the most underreported stories of the Bush presidency. Bush's faith-based initiatives have become a spoils system for evangelical ministries, which are now involved in everything from prison programs and job training to teenage pregnancy prevention, supplanting the safety net that was supposed to catch all Americans. As a result of faith-based grants, a growing number of government-funded social service jobs explicitly refuse to hire Jews, gay people, and other undesirables; such discrimination is defended by the administration and its surrogates in the name of religious freedom. Bringing the disposed to Jesus Christ has become something very close to a domestic policy goal of the United States government. And all this has happened with far less notice or public debate than attended the removal of Terri Schaivo's feeding tube or the halftime baring of Janet Jackson's breast."

    What Goldberg brilliantly reveals in this wonderfully readable and thoroughly researched book is the extent and reach of the Christian Nationalist movement in the USA -- what is rapidly becoming a theocratic shadow government, intent on nothing less than rolling back the Enlightenment of the late 17th and 18th centuries, and replacing it with something that very resembles the Puritanism of Oliver Cromwell, a pseudo-Christian version of the Islam of Osama Bin Laden.

    I say "pseudo Christian" (although Goldberg does not - she doesn't engage in theological debate in her book) because for most people like myself who were raised as Christians, the Christian Nationalists propound a form of church/state merger, and an essential theology, that is completely at odds with the Jesus of the Sermon on the Mount and Matthew 25 ("feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit those in prison, heal the sick," etc.).

    Instead, their Jesus is a muscular militarist who hates gays, is the first to see and condemn sin in others, and finds salvation not in poverty and charity but in building multi-million-dollar ministries, living high, and preaching that all problems are solved, all sins redeemed, all diseases cured (both physical and political) by simple belief in His name. This Jesus hates science, wants to use the power of the state to finance his ventures and punish his enemies, and wants to use the power of police, prisons, and courts to enforce his rigid view of everything from the role of women in society to the sanctity of the American flag.

    This is not the Jesus that most Christians know, but it's the Jesus in whose name a powerful and unrelenting movement is working to establish a theocracy in America. This Jesus is so far from the Biblical Jesus, in fact, that most in the movement refers to Him in His role -- Christ -- rather than His name - Jesus. The Jesus of the Bible, after all, had long hair, was homeless, hung out with social misfits, and preached poverty, pacifism, and mysticism. Hardly appropriate company for wealthy and powerful men like Falwell, Robertson, and Bush.

    To write "Kingdom Coming," Michelle Goldberg went from coast-to-coast deep inside the Christian Nationalist movement. Ninety percent of the book is storytelling -- fascinating and often chilling -- from these visits to everything from small rural churches to political-strategy conference calls with the most powerful men in America.

    In a thoroughly dispassionate way, Goldberg walks the reader through Christian Nationalism from the level of the grass roots to the Astroturf to the offices of Bill Frist, Rick Santorum, and George W. Bush.

    The final chapters of the book include one of the most lucid calls for a liberal response to Christian Nationalism I've read anywhere, and strategy outline that should be read by every progressive in America.

    This is one of those books you can't put down, in part because of Goldberg's storytelling and reporting skills, but in larger part because it lays bare a truly frightening view of the future these folks have in mind for you, me, and the rest of America. And how shockingly close they already are to realizing their goals.


    http://www.buzzflash.com/hartmann/06/07/har06007.html

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    IRS Should Investigate Texas Church That Gave Donations To GOP, Says Americans United
    Wednesday, July 19, 2006

    Church-State Watchdog Group Files IRS Complaint Against Calvary Temple Church In Kerrville

    A nondenominational church in Texas that has donated $1,500 to the local Republican Party should be investigated by the Internal Revenue Service, says Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

    In a July 19 letter to IRS officials, Americans United asked the federal tax agency to examine the activities of Calvary Temple Church in Kerrville. Records held by the Texas Ethics Commission show that the congregation donated $1,000 to the Kerr County Republican Party on May 12, 2005, and $250 in 2003 and 2004.

    Federal tax law bars houses of worship and other 501(c)(3) nonprofit organizations from intervening in partisan politics.

    “This appears to be a blatant violation of federal law,” said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. “I urge the IRS to act.

    “When church-goers place their hard-earned money in the collection plate, they do not expect it to wind up in the hands of politicians,” Lynn added. “That’s an abuse of the people’s trust and a flouting of the law.”

    Lynn noted that the Internal Revenue Code is plain. Houses of worship are free to speak out on public issues, but they may not use church funds or other resources to support partisan work. He pointed out that IRS Commissioner Mark W. Everson has recently promised that the agency will crack down on non-profits that violate the no-electioneering rule.
    http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr...s_iv_ctrl=1241

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    Re: The Christian Right: Liars Traitors, Hate Mongers!!!

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    IRS Should Investigate Texas Church That Gave Donations To GOP, Says Americans United
    Wednesday, July 19, 2006

    Church-State Watchdog Group Files IRS Complaint Against Calvary Temple Church In Kerrville

    A nondenominational church in Texas that has donated $1,500 to the local Republican Party should be investigated by the Internal Revenue Service, says Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

    In a July 19 letter to IRS officials, Americans United asked the federal tax agency to examine the activities of Calvary Temple Church in Kerrville. Records held by the Texas Ethics Commission show that the congregation donated $1,000 to the Kerr County Republican Party on May 12, 2005, and $250 in 2003 and 2004.

    Federal tax law bars houses of worship and other 501(c)(3) nonprofit organizations from intervening in partisan politics.

    “This appears to be a blatant violation of federal law,” said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. “I urge the IRS to act.

    “When church-goers place their hard-earned money in the collection plate, they do not expect it to wind up in the hands of politicians,” Lynn added. “That’s an abuse of the people’s trust and a flouting of the law.”

    Lynn noted that the Internal Revenue Code is plain. Houses of worship are free to speak out on public issues, but they may not use church funds or other resources to support partisan work. He pointed out that IRS Commissioner Mark W. Everson has recently promised that the agency will crack down on non-profits that violate the no-electioneering rule.
    http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr...s_iv_ctrl=1241
    Really. Well, I guess they should also look into all those Black churches that took collections for Slick Willy, Al Gore, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Hillary Clinton, Cynthia McKinney, et al. Can you say "Hypocrisy?"

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    Re: The Christian Right: Liars Traitors, Hate Mongers!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Raider
    i Hate Liars, Thieves, Murderers, Rapist's, Pedophiles And People That Blow Up Women And Children For A Cause Of World Domination By Their Religion......i Am A Hate Monger........hear Me Roar!
    now that's a SPICY MEATABALL if i ever tasted 1!?and of course you did notice that the snake of the lord swallowed the snake of the false preists before pharoh!?didn't blow em up or smash em or chop their heads off or whatever!?hehe!!just askin....

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    I find it funny thst all of these posters who claim that religion is to blame for all of the ills of society cannot look some garing contradictions that they blindly follow.

    Number one Religion is not the cause for murder rape stealing or anything of that matter. people are the cause of it. why is there one christian who is peaceful and one who is a bomber? they are both reading the same book. bwhat is different? the people. is it that hard to understand. whatever. i hear so many negetive comments on here about religion and all i hear is hate. noone looks at christianity or islam or any other religion with an objective eye. They see radicals and their acts. well do they ever see the good that these relgions do for society. no, that is an uncomfortable fact for them because it proves once and for all that the acts in name of religion is on the hands of the perptrators not the source. These people are not christian or anything else. they are confused. simple. wouldnt you agree?


    like i have said before the presence of Evil of actually proof that God does exist.

    Without God there can be no objective moral principle

    There is Evil and Good in the world

    Therefore there is objective moral principle

    Therefore God exist.


    God allows Evil in the world so there can be an objective good. and the reason why there is so much evil is because man is evil and we are not robots. we have free will. we are different from the animal kingdom because you dont see animals do what we do to each other. what makes us different?
    We have a consiousness of ourselves, we have a concept of God or a higher power, we have free will, we have design...etc.


    anyone who says that religion is the cause of everything is half right. religion is man made and fouled in certain places. God is not fouled. Lets all begin to recognize the difference between the two.

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    Re: The Christian Right: Liars Traitors, Hate Mongers!!!

    The problem with Phinnly's argument is that it argues Christianity, but not Christ. By that same rationale, I could argue the ideals of liberalism by merely quoting a few liberals, but not the ideals themselves.

    If you bothered to quote Jesus, rather than a bunch of old, confused white men who very poorly follow through on Jesus' teachings that even athiests unknowingly are more Christ-like, then you would have a very difficult time disputing him. You may argue with Old Testament, and you may argue with the Apostles in New Testament, but I have found that Jesus Christ lays the foundations of morality better than any other person in all human history.

    And so to say that all politicians must be Christian is a God send. The problem is the people who are quoted saying it don't mean it. The true Christian has a burning desire to take care of the needy, which the world is full of. The people you have quoted do not desire this, but merely desire power and to force their puritan views on others and institute it into the law, which Jesus did nothing of the sort.

    The day you see an entire Christian government is the day you will see poverty disappear from not only the country it governs, but in other countries. Where dire poverty exists, Christians have failed.
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    Re: The Christian Right: Liars Traitors, Hate Mongers!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne
    Really. Well, I guess they should also look into all those Black churches that took collections for Slick Willy, Al Gore, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Hillary Clinton, Cynthia McKinney, et al. Can you say "Hypocrisy?"
    Amen.
    :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodwitchofthesouth
    Amen.
    :D

    Uh huh.. Tell us: Which "black" churches were those?

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