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    20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA

    20 Amazing Facts About Voting In The United States
    By Bob Rowe

    1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies:
    Diebold and ES&S.
    2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of
    the US voting machine industry.
    3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are
    brothers.
    4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer
    and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio
    deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
    5. 35% of ES&S is owned by Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, who became
    Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.
    6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, a long-time friend of the Bush
    family, was caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics
    Committee.
    7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's
    vice-presidential candidates.
    8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the US and counts
    almost 60% of all US votes.
    9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of
    any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming
    out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by
    voters.
    10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines,
    all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.
    11. Diebold is based in Ohio.
    12. Diebold employs 5 convicted felons as developers. These are the
    people who write the voting machine computer code.
    13. Diebold's Senior Vice-President, Jeff Dean, was convicted of 23
    counts of felony theft in the first degree.
    14. Diebold Senior Vice-President Jeff Dean was convicted of planting
    back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication"
    to evade detection over a period of 2 years.
    15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the
    polls in Ohio.
    16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security
    was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be
    hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it!
    17. 30% of all US votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen
    voting machines with no paper trail.
    18. Bush's Help America Vote Act of 2002 has as its goal to replace all
    machines with the new electronic touch screen systems with no paper
    trail.
    19. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and
    reported went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.
    20. Major statistical voting oddities (odds on the order of 250 million
    to 1!) -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically
    demonstrated by experts.
    Such amazing odds, the equivalent of statistical miracles these were.

    Was it God? or was it Diebold...?

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    Hey Phin. Although I am more than willing to believe all of the above... do you have any substantiating or supporting links for each of these? It makes for a much better and believable argument and carries greater conviction when presented before the right wing nuts who poo poo these "coincidences".

    Excellent post by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BatarngForce
    Hey Phin. Although I am more than willing to believe all of the above... do you have any substantiating or supporting links for each of these? It makes for a much better and believable argument and carries greater conviction when presented before the right wing nuts who poo poo these "coincidences".

    Excellent post by the way.
    Here you go Batman:

    1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.
    http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold



    2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.
    http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm

    http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html



    3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.
    http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...e_company.html

    http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html



    4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in632436.shtml

    http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886



    5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.
    http://www.motherjones.com/commentar...03/03_200.html

    http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...4fitrakis.html



    6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.
    http://www.blackboxvoting.com/module...article&sid=26

    http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx

    http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php



    7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.
    http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm

    http://theindependent.com/stories/05...w_hagel27.html



    8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.
    http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html

    http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html



    9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.
    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

    http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041...s/pfindex.html



    10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.
    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

    http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm



    11. Diebold is based in Ohio.
    http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm



    12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.
    http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html

    http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml



    13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of Global Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in most of the United States.
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm
    http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

    http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf



    14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.
    http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

    http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf



    15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.
    http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html

    http://www.enquirer.com/editions/200...oc_elexoh.html



    16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! (See the movie here: http://www.bbvdocs.org/videos/baxterVPR.mov.)
    http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190



    17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in632436.shtml



    18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.
    http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html

    http://www.yuricareport.com/Election...sBushIsOut.htm

    http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html

    http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.ph...rticle&sid=950

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm



    19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.
    http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/talla...al/7628725.htm

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Oct29.html



    20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.
    http://www.yuricareport.com/Election...sBushIsOut.htm

    http://www.computerworld.com/governm...,97614,00.html

    http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...thousands.html

    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

    http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html

    http://uscountvotes.org/


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    Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA

    Hi Phinnly

    How are companies like Diebold & ES&S contracted for the job of presidental voting?

    Who gives them the contracts?

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    Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Connecticut Victim
    Hi Phinnly

    How are companies like Diebold & ES&S contracted for the job of presidental voting?

    Who gives them the contracts?
    That would be an interesting research project. I know Die-bold has had connections in banking and have built an sold ATM's for years.

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    Lady Mod... you freakin rock!... for a Churchie! Thanks for the links. I will put them to use.
    No! We can't all just "Get Along!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BatarngForce
    Lady Mod... you freakin rock!... for a Churchie! Thanks for the links. I will put them to use.
    LOL, a Churchie. I haven't graced a church with my presence for years. The rampant hypocricy makes me nervous and uneasy.

    Too funny.

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    can we say hanging chad's?

    Sounds like they've eliminated that. Makes me wonder why I even bothered voting in the last couple of elections.

    I doubt we'll see the usual "you can't prove Bush lied" crap on this post, although I'd love to argue with them with these "coincidences"

    This makes me hate the bastard even more. :mad:

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    Button, if the right wing nuts one to bring a war into this house we will give them a war!

    Nice links Lady Mod!

    Going to a Church kinda gives me a sketchy fealing that makes me want to go home. haha.... I was wondering did churches around your area try and break "The DAVINCI CODE"????? Every church around here did.. haha

    I bet its a whole different world once you get in one of those guys shoes. You can probably just call someone and tell them your problem and they can fix it. It's funny how many connections people have these days... Scary really...

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    Quote Originally Posted by conspiracytheory

    Going to a Church kinda gives me a sketchy fealing that makes me want to go home. haha.... I was wondering did churches around your area try and break "The DAVINCI CODE"????? Every church around here did.. haha
    I don't know if they did or not, I wasn't paying attention to them. However, some of the things taught in American catholic churches are a whole lot different from catholic churches in Mexico, or catholic churches in South America or Taiwan etc. I have spoken to many missionaries over the years and it amazes me how "insulated" and naive the "christian" population is in America. The catholic church especially is like a chameleon, it adopts a lot of "pagan" practices and makes them a part of the "cult" it teaches in whatever country it's in. That alone should say something about the doctrine they teach. And to think, a lot of parishioners pay their tithes and offerings to promote the very practices they say that they want to abolish in other countries and they don't even have a clue that their offerings are being used that way. That is scary.

    Namaste'

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    I think that most people know deep down inside that most of the stuff in church is a load O' bull. If they don't realize whats right in front of their face then... I'd say good job church make sure you keep them isolated. If not! Someone might get hurt. ;)

    That's scary.

    Religion is the route to all evil. Most wars fought are over religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conspiracytheory
    ..Religion is the route to all evil. Most wars fought are over religion.
    Actually, I think that religion is merely a tool used by many to obtain their evil goals and most wars are fought over greed and the aggressors use religion as a fulcrum to further their evil goals through the acquiescence of the masses. Unfortunate how the simple concepts of “do unto others” and “compassion” has been absent in the minds of nations since the dawn of time. We will never learn unless more people die.

    What will it take to destroy these two companies, Diebold & ES&S or at least to castrate them?


    Businesses want to increase profits. Consumers want more and better services. And Diebold wants to be the company that makes it happen. Take a closer look at today's Diebold: Diebold is a services company providing integrated technology solutions that enable our customers to maximize their self-service capabilities.

    Diebold, Incorporated is a global leader in providing integrated self-service delivery and security systems and services. Diebold employs more than 14,000 associates with representation in nearly 90 countries worldwide and is headquartered in Canton, Ohio, USA. Diebold reported revenue of $2.6 billion in 2005 and is publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol “DBD.”

    Self-Service Products
    Diebold offers an integrated line of self-service banking products and ATMs. Diebold is a leading global supplier of ATMs, and holds the leading market position in many countries around the world.

    Physical Security and Facility Products
    Diebold's Physical Security and Facility Products division designs and manufactures several of the company's financial service solutions offerings, including the RemoteTeller System™ (RTS). The business unit also develops vaults, safe deposit boxes and safes, drive-up banking equipment and a host of other facilities products.

    Voting Solutions
    Diebold, through our wholly owned subsidiaries Diebold Election Systems and Diebold Procomp, is one of largest electronic voting system providers in the world. We've enjoyed years of success in the United States, Canada and Brazil.

    Integrated Security Solutions
    Diebold Integrated Security Solutions provide global sales, service, installation, project management and monitoring of original equipment manufacturer (OEM) electronic security products to financial, retail and commercial customers. These solutions provide Diebold customers a single-source solution to their electronic security needs.

    Software Solutions and Services
    Diebold offers software solutions consisting of multiple applications that process events and transactions. These solutions are delivered on the appropriate platform allowing Diebold to meet customer requirements while adding new functionality in a cost-effective manner.

    Diebold also provides professional services to assist in the implementation of software solutions. These services include communication network review, systems integration, custom software and project management that encompass all facets of a successful implementation.

    Sure, we'll sleep. And have lunch. But we definitely, positively will not rest.

    Not until we've measurably impacted the businesses of our customers and delighted their customers with:

    - ATMs and other self-service solutions
    - Physical and electronic security
    - Electronic voting technologies
    - Essential services and support
    - Card-based systems
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    Two voting companies & two brothers will count 80 percent of U.S. election using both scanners & touchscreens

    By Lynn Landes
    Online Journal Contributing Writer


    April 28, 2004—Voters can run, but they can't hide from these guys. Meet the Urosevich brothers, Bob and Todd. Their respective companies, Diebold and ES&S, will count (using both computerized ballot scanners and touchscreen machines) about 80 percent of all votes cast in the upcoming U.S. presidential election.

    Both ES&S and Diebold have been caught installing uncertified software in their machines. Although there is no known certification process that will protect against vote rigging or technical failure, it is a requirement of most, if not all, states.

    And, according to author Bev Harris in her book, Black Box Voting, " . . . one of the founders of the original ES&S (software) system, Bob Urosevich, also oversaw development of the original software now used by Diebold Election Systems."

    Talk about putting all our eggs in one very bogus, but brotherly basket.

    Even if states or counties hire their own technicians to re-program Diebold or ES&S software (or software from other companies), experts say that permanently installed software, called firmware, still resides inside both electronic scanners and touchscreen machines and is capable of manipulating votes. For those who are unfamiliar with the term “firmware,” here's a definition by BandwidthMarket.com: "Software that is embedded in a hardware device that allows reading and executing the software, but does not allow modification, e.g., writing or deleting data by an end user."

    The ability to rig an election is well within easy reach of voting machine companies. And it does not matter if the machines are scanners or touchscreens, or are networked or hooked up to modems.

    So, for those states and counties who think they're dodging the bullet by not buying (or not using) the highly insecure and error-prone touchscreen voting machines (which will process 28.9 percent of all votes this year), a huge threat still remains—computerized ballot scanners. They will count 57.6 percent of all votes cast, including absentee ballots.

    And don't count on recounts to save the day. In most states, recounts of paper ballots only occur if election results are close. The message to those who want to rig elections is, "rig them by a lot." In some states, like California, spot checks are conducted. But, that will not be an effective way to discover or deter vote fraud or technical failure, particularly in a national election where one vote per machine will probably be enough to swing a race.

    Although touchscreens have been getting the bulk of negative publicity lately, electronic ballot scanners have a long and sordid past, as well. Electronic scanners were first introduced into U.S. elections in 1964, and ever since then a steady stream of reports of technical irregularities have caught the attention of scientists, journalists, and activists, most notably the 1988 report, Accuracy, Integrity, and Security in Computerized Vote-Tallying, by Roy G. Saltman, and the 1992 book, Votescam: The Stealing of America, by Jim and Ken Collier.

    Even though there are several foreign and domestic corporations involved in the U.S. vote counting business, ES&S and Diebold clearly dominate the field. ES&S claims that they have tabulated "56 percent of the U.S. national vote for the past four presidential elections", while a Diebold spokesperson told this writer that the company processed about 35 percent of U.S. electronic vote count in 2002.

    But, is there any real difference between Diebold and ES&S? Perhaps not.

    Bob Urosevich is currently president of Diebold. Todd Urosevich is vice president of ES&S. In 1999, American Information Systems (AIS), purchased Business Records Corporation (BRC) to become ES&S. AIS (1980) was formerly Data Mark (1979). Both AIS and Data Mark were founded by the brothers Urosevich. In 2002, Diebold acquired Global Election Systems. Global was founded in 1991, which itself acquired the AccuVote system the same year. Bob Urosevich is a past president of Global.

    Of course, most interested observers don't believe that the Urosevich brothers are the real brains behind their respective operations. For information on their financial backers, check out Chapter 8 of Bev's book and my webpage.

    Diebold and ES&S have been involved in countless election irregularities over the years, involving both ballot scanners and touchscreens. But, it seems that they've always managed to finesse a happy ending for themselves. Now, it appears that at least Diebold might be in real trouble.

    On April 22, 2004, Jim Wasserman of the Associated Press (AP) reported, "By an 8-0 vote, the state's (California) Voting Systems and Procedures Panel recommended that [Secretary of State] Shelley cease the use of the machines, saying that Texas-based Diebold has performed poorly in California and its machines malfunctioned in the state's March 2 primary election, turning away many voters in San Diego County . . . ..... source http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html


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    I don't really know why I posted all this info about Diebold... I was just curious what they had to say about themselves. Here (YIR & DOUBLE D) is where my tactics can come into play. By purchasing Diebold stock and finding out who their customers are we are then able to take away market share from their customers by withdrawing money from their banks as well as stop using their ATMs. We have the power in mass and can make a difference if done properly. I would even be willing to purchase the shares in the company in order to find out more about their customers.

    Other Ideas:
    • Write and call our congressman & senators and b!tch and friggen moan
    • ... what else.


    I wonder what people like Grim have to say about this kind of disgusting muck conducted by the right wing supporters. Of course it would include some statement about Clinton.
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    ES&S introduces the iVotronic™ Real Time Audit Log: A Voter-Verifiable Paper Audit Trail Solution
    The Real Time Audit Log, ES&S' latest product offering, is a voter-verifiable paper audit trail (V-VPAT) solution for DRE voting systems. The Real Time Audit Log is certified under 2002 federal voting standards.

    ES&S' V-VPAT solution, the Real Time Audit Log, is a secure and effective audit solution for those jurisdictions using the iVotronic touch screen voting system that also require a voter-verifiable audit trail for DRE voting systems. The Real Time Audit Log provides immediate assurance and confidence to a voter that his or her vote is accurately recorded.

    The Real Time Audit Log requires no change to the process a voter follows to cast a ballot. ES&S' V-VPAT solution simply records on paper the voter's selection as those selections are made, allowing the voter to instantly confirm his or her choices by viewing the audit log window.

    The ES&S iVotronic touch screen voting system is now available with a new, state-of-the-art voting booth that accommodates the Real Time Audit Log behind a locked and sealed window.

    ES&S Site
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    I think I prefer paper ballots, at least if they come up missing, it's pretty much proof of rigging. If it's a digital machine, I'm sure they can make an excuse that the electrons ate it or some other ridiculous statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Button
    I think I prefer paper ballots, at least if they come up missing, it's pretty much proof of rigging. If it's a digital machine, I'm sure they can make an excuse that the electrons ate it or some other ridiculous statement.

    Eletronic voting, they can say whatever they want. We can't validate it or prove otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    Eletronic voting, they can say whatever they want. We can't validate it or prove otherwise.

    Lady Mod

    My point.

    So after reading this, who is going to vote in 2008 and who has already quit voting? Just wondering, I've been thinking about giving it up entirely but then I wonder, some of my votes have to count in at least some of the smaller elections, or do they?

    Or is giving up voting worse for us than the scum in power?

    Any thoughts :confused:

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