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    Hi-Tech Society: Race to the Bottom?

    Hi-Tech Society: Race to the Bottom?

    Will our hi-tech hand-held gadgets lead us to becoming a less sophisticated society?

    It appears to me that such gadgets seem to dramatically increase the interaction within the adolescent peer group. I suspect that this interaction tends to create a greater group-think than before. It appears to me that adolescence is reached younger and lasts longer than before; I would say that generally this age of adolescence period is from 12 to the mid-twenties.

    Scientists are studying and trying to develop an ability to emulate the actions of animal swarms. The birds and the bees can do it; why cannot humans emulate their behavior to our advantage?

    The collective behavior of animal swarms displays advantageous collective actions without the guidance of organized leadership. Ants, as individuals, are not clever—as a collective ants, bees, birds, caribou, etc. are amazingly clever—there seems to exist something one might label as swarm intelligence—simple creatures following simple rules equal swarm intelligence.

    Computer engineers attempt to emulate swarm intelligence to solve complex human problems.

    Compare animal swarm intelligence with group psychology.

    What is the nature of the ‘group mind’, i.e. the mental changes such individuals undergo as a result of becoming part of a group?

    A bond develops much like cells which constitute a living body—group mind is more of an unconscious than a conscious force—there are motives for action that elude conscious attention—distinctiveness and individuality become group behavior based upon unconscious motives—there develops a sentiment of invincible power, anonymous and irresponsible attitudes--repressions of unconscious forces under normal situations are ignored—conscience which results from social anxiety disappear.

    Contagion sets in—hypnotic order becomes prevalent—individuals sacrifice personal interest for the group interest.

    Suggestibility, of which contagion is a symptom, leads to the lose of conscious personality—the individual follows suggestions for actions totally contradictory to person conscience—hypnotic like fascination sets in—will and discernment vanishes—direction is taken from the leader in an hypnotic like manner—the conscious personality disappears.

    “Moreover, by the mere fact that he forms part of an organized group, a man descends several rungs in the ladder of civilization.” Isolated, he may be a cultivated individual; in a crowd, he is a barbarian—a creature acting by instinct. “He possesses the spontaneity, the violence, the ferocity, and also the enthusiasm and heroism of primitive beings.”

    There is a lowering of intellectual ability “pointing to its similarity with the mental life of primitive people and of children…A group is credulous and easily influenced”—the improbable seldom exists—they think in images—feelings are very simple and exaggerated—the group knows neither doubt nor uncertainty—extremes are prevalent, antipathy becomes hate and suspicion becomes certainty.

    Force is king—force is respected and obeyed without question—kindness is weakness—tradition is triumphant—words have a magical power—supernatural powers are easily accepted—groups never thirst for truth, they demand illusions—the unreal receives precedence over the real—the group is an obedient herd—prestige is a source for domination, however it “is also dependent upon success, and is lost in the event of failure”.


    Perhaps human groups cannot develop in a similar manner as does swarm intelligence but the existence of such successful ways of handling complex problems indicates that some critical thinking regarding human group behavior is certainly in order.

    Questions for discussion:

    Do you think it is possible for humans to significantly improve performance within a group?

    Do you think that we can find a way to make group behavior more sophisticated?

    Sources for ideas and quotes in this OP come from Swarm Theory--an article in the July 2007 edition of “National Geographic” and from Group Psychology and the Analysis of the Ego by Freud.

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    The “art of reasoning consists in…getting hold of the big ideas and hanging on to them like grim death”--William James

    I think that the ‘big idea’ is the ‘big question’ that we must answer if we desire to comprehend “why do we do the things we do?”

    Wo/man worships and fears power; we enthusiastically give our loyalty to our leader. Sapiens are at heart slavish. Therein lay the rub, as Shakespeare might say.

    Freud was the first to focus upon the phenomenon of a patient’s inclination to transfer the feelings s/he had toward her parents as a child to the physician. The patient distorts the perception of the physician; s/he enlarges the figure up far out of reason and becomes dependent upon him. In this transference of feeling, which the patient had for his parents, to the physician the grown person displays all the characteristics of the child at heart, a child who distorts reality in order to relieve his helplessness and fears.

    Freud saw these transference phenomena as the form of human suggestibility that makes the control over another, as displayed by hypnosis, as being possible. Hypnosis seems mysterious and mystifying to us only because we hide our slavish need for authority from our self. We live the big lie, which lay within this need to submit our self slavishly to another, because we want to think of our self as self-determined and independent in judgment and choice.

    The predisposition to hypnosis is identical to that which gives rise to transference and it is characteristic of all sapiens. We could not function as adults if we retained this submissive attitude to our parents, however, this attitude of submissiveness, as noted by Ferenczi, is “The need to be subject to someone remains; only the part of the father is transferred to teachers, superiors, impressive personalities; the submissive loyalty to rulers that is so widespread is also a transference of this sort.”

    Freud saw immediately that when caught up in groups wo/man became dependent children once again. They abandoned their individual egos for that of the leader; they identified with their leader and proceeded to function with him as their ideal. Freud identified man, not as a herd animal but as a horde (teeming crowd) animal that is led by a chief. Wo/man has an insatiable need for authority.

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    so man is a slave to his desires!? and all his desires make him a slave!? is there such a thing as natural an unnatural desires!? and by what knowledge is the distinction made!? that which preserves life is natural and that which destroys it is unnatural!? is that a basic starting point!? can man be somehow convinced that some life is not worth saving and matter of factly should be destroyed!? is this some kind of psychological trick/spell/hypnosis he falls victim too!? is this the big question for man!? how/why is this possible and can it be successfully used to mutual benefit thru group allegiance or is it really an individual accomplishment!? :freak3: :spin2: :
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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    Hi-Tech Society: Race to the Bottom?

    Will our hi-tech hand-held gadgets lead us to becoming a less sophisticated society?

    It appears to me that such gadgets seem to dramatically increase the interaction within the adolescent peer group. I suspect that this interaction tends to create a greater group-think than before. It appears to me that adolescence is reached younger and lasts longer than before; I would say that generally this age of adolescence period is from 12 to the mid-twenties.

    Scientists are studying and trying to develop an ability to emulate the actions of animal swarms. The birds and the bees can do it; why cannot humans emulate their behavior to our advantage?

    The collective behavior of animal swarms displays advantageous collective actions without the guidance of organized leadership. Ants, as individuals, are not clever—as a collective ants, bees, birds, caribou, etc. are amazingly clever—there seems to exist something one might label as swarm intelligence—simple creatures following simple rules equal swarm intelligence.

    Computer engineers attempt to emulate swarm intelligence to solve complex human problems.

    Compare animal swarm intelligence with group psychology.

    What is the nature of the ‘group mind’, i.e. the mental changes such individuals undergo as a result of becoming part of a group?

    A bond develops much like cells which constitute a living body—group mind is more of an unconscious than a conscious force—there are motives for action that elude conscious attention—distinctiveness and individuality become group behavior based upon unconscious motives—there develops a sentiment of invincible power, anonymous and irresponsible attitudes--repressions of unconscious forces under normal situations are ignored—conscience which results from social anxiety disappear.

    Contagion sets in—hypnotic order becomes prevalent—individuals sacrifice personal interest for the group interest.

    Suggestibility, of which contagion is a symptom, leads to the lose of conscious personality—the individual follows suggestions for actions totally contradictory to person conscience—hypnotic like fascination sets in—will and discernment vanishes—direction is taken from the leader in an hypnotic like manner—the conscious personality disappears.

    “Moreover, by the mere fact that he forms part of an organized group, a man descends several rungs in the ladder of civilization.” Isolated, he may be a cultivated individual; in a crowd, he is a barbarian—a creature acting by instinct. “He possesses the spontaneity, the violence, the ferocity, and also the enthusiasm and heroism of primitive beings.”

    There is a lowering of intellectual ability “pointing to its similarity with the mental life of primitive people and of children…A group is credulous and easily influenced”—the improbable seldom exists—they think in images—feelings are very simple and exaggerated—the group knows neither doubt nor uncertainty—extremes are prevalent, antipathy becomes hate and suspicion becomes certainty.

    Force is king—force is respected and obeyed without question—kindness is weakness—tradition is triumphant—words have a magical power—supernatural powers are easily accepted—groups never thirst for truth, they demand illusions—the unreal receives precedence over the real—the group is an obedient herd—prestige is a source for domination, however it “is also dependent upon success, and is lost in the event of failure”.


    Perhaps human groups cannot develop in a similar manner as does swarm intelligence but the existence of such successful ways of handling complex problems indicates that some critical thinking regarding human group behavior is certainly in order.

    Questions for discussion:

    Do you think it is possible for humans to significantly improve performance within a group?

    Do you think that we can find a way to make group behavior more sophisticated?

    Sources for ideas and quotes in this OP come from Swarm Theory--an article in the July 2007 edition of “National Geographic” and from Group Psychology and the Analysis of the Ego by Freud.
    a relevent question, are we going to use our techno gains to destroy ourselves!? is it a case of ignorance that we do so!? what is the motivating factor that allows this!? the idea that man is destined to excell/acheive thru technology alone!?or is simply a 'shiny beads' economics mistake!? can technology allow us the freedom to fulfill all our desires without becoming less than human!? do we ignore the "prime directive" (star trek) at our peril!? the division of man into sophisticated and unsophisticated could be considered as separate races/classes!? although i really dislike the word sophisticated!? i suppose it has always represented a "snob" to me!? and i also would not consider sophistication by itself to be any guarantee of social success!? i would rather inject the term enlightenment as the mediating influence for man!? :freak: :bah: :
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    a relevent question, are we going to use our techno gains to destroy ourselves!? is it a case of ignorance that we do so!? what is the motivating factor that allows this!? the idea that man is destined to excell/acheive thru technology alone!?or is simply a 'shiny beads' economics mistake!? can technology allow us the freedom to fulfill all our desires without becoming less than human!? do we ignore the "prime directive" (star trek) at our peril!? the division of man into sophisticated and unsophisticated could be considered as separate races/classes!? although i really dislike the word sophisticated!? i suppose it has always represented a "snob" to me!? and i also would not consider sophistication by itself to be any guarantee of social success!? i would rather inject the term enlightenment as the mediating influence for man!? :freak: :bah: :
    Our technology combined with our naivety will destroy us.

    Our technology places great power into the hands of the few. Our citizens have little intellectual sophistication thus we cannot solve our problems before we become toast.

    I suspect that we have already past the tipping point.

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    Does peer group networking, facilitated by hand-held gadgets, enhance the probability for the following kind of group behavior?

    The following quotes come from the Washington Post article:

    Kids Gone Wild, Parents Gone Missing by By Richard Cohen
    Tuesday, April 6,

    “It is either significant or merely interesting that William Golding dedicated his classic, "Lord of the Flies," to his mother and father. It is precisely the absence of parents, or any adult actually, that enables the boys of the island to descend into savagery, and it is the sudden appearance of an adult at the end that restores what we would now call law and order. This tale, way before its time, was a precursor to South Hadley High School in Massachusetts and the suicide of Phoebe Prince. It was the only way she could get off the island.”

    “After a lengthy investigation, District Attorney Elizabeth D. Scheibel had nine students arrested on criminal charges. At the same time, she alleged that while the teenagers had tormented Phoebe to the point where she hanged herself, teachers and administrators were somehow complicit because they knew -- or should have known -- that Phoebe was being bullied by a coterie of aspiring fascists. Phoebe was a newcomer from Ireland and thus, as anyone with the slightest novelist bent would know, the stranger with no champions, no defenders and, in her mind, no way out.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/05/AR2010040503549.html

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    We all do look inward and unfortunately one of the first things we see is that we are mortal. This becomes so anxiety producing that almost everything that we do is a result of this first inward glance. First we created soul, then gods, then God, then religion in our search for life everlasting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    Our technology combined with our naivety will destroy us.

    Our technology places great power into the hands of the few. Our citizens have little intellectual sophistication thus we cannot solve our problems before we become toast.

    I suspect that we have already past the tipping point.
    Our greatly advanced technology still must be under control of each individual's personal responsibility. The disintegration of this factor is what could make our technology so dangerous, in my estimation. A life lived out of integrity may be our final undoing. I strongly feel that it is everyone's responsibility to learn about their INDIVIDUAL SELF, and what motivates one to do what is in the best interest of the human condition, and not necessarily what is always best for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GHOST DOG View Post
    Our greatly advanced technology still must be under control of each individual's personal responsibility. The disintegration of this factor is what could make our technology so dangerous, in my estimation. A life lived out of integrity may be our final undoing. I strongly feel that it is everyone's responsibility to learn about their INDIVIDUAL SELF, and what motivates one to do what is in the best interest of the human condition, and not necessarily what is always best for themselves.
    Socrates gave us two very important statements "the unexamined life is not worth living" and "know thy self".

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    Quote Originally Posted by GHOST DOG View Post
    Our greatly advanced technology still must be under control of each individual's personal responsibility. The disintegration of this factor is what could make our technology so dangerous, in my estimation. A life lived out of integrity may be our final undoing. I strongly feel that it is everyone's responsibility to learn about their INDIVIDUAL SELF, and what motivates one to do what is in the best interest of the human condition, and not necessarily what is always best for themselves.
    please stop using that FONT!? it hurts my eyes!?
    there is no guarantee in place that this will happen on it's own!? no system dedicated to the elimination of fear and demand!? we are raised and educated by the media for all practical purposes!? the idea of now having access to singular content continuously is disturbing to me!? leading to cult behavior and identification!? :freak3: :spin2: :
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    please stop using that FONT!? it hurts my eyes!?
    there is no guarantee in place that this will happen on it's own!? no system dedicated to the elimination of fear and demand!? we are raised and educated by the media for all practical purposes!? the idea of now having access to singular content continuously is disturbing to me!? leading to cult behavior and identification!? :freak3: :spin2: :
    This font is strictly for you, Lexx. I never said anything about guarantees in any of my posts. "Could happen" is not a certainty. We educate ourselves by that which we take in and choose to assimilate. This is where Consciousness comes into play. Responsibility is an INDIVIDUAL THING, in my estimation, don't you feel? There is a system in place to eliminate fear and demand, but most of us aren't real good at using it. That system is the Internal Work of "I wonder why I sometimes respond to this certain stimulus from this source the way I do? When that old feeling comes around again when stimulated, what can I do DIFFERENTLY to defuse the situation instead of my old tape replaying?" There are always different roads for us to take.

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