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    Concepts We Live By

    Concepts We Live By

    Most of us know “metaphor” only as an aspect of language that allows us to comprehend one concept in terms of another concept that is known to us. We think of metaphor as a matter of words only; not as a matter of thought and action.

    SGCS (Second Generation Cognitive Science) has found that “metaphor is pervasive in everyday life, not just in language but in thought and action. Our ordinary conceptual system, in terms of which we both think and act, is fundamentally metaphorical in nature.”

    This theory developed by SGCS represents a revolution in our comprehension of why humans do the things that we do.


    Our conceptual system is generally not something about which we often think; we are inclined to just think and act without any comprehension of the underlying reasons for this thought and action. We have been generally taught by our educational system to view only appearances as being worthy of our critically notice. We have been taught to view reality much like an iceberg, we see (metaphorically KNOW IS SEE) only the ten percentages that appears to the eye as being worth of critical comprehension.

    If we examine various scientific groups, both natural science and human science, we might find the often used metaphors KNOW IS ANALYZE or perhaps KNOW IS TEST. Our general culture uses KNOW IS SEE and SEEING IS BELIEVING. If we examine these metaphors we can see or perhaps analyze the fact that the culture and the metaphors we use within the group highlight the very nature of the intellectual nature of that group.

    Categorization, the first level of abstraction from “Reality” is our first level of conceptualization and thus of knowing. Seeing is a process that includes categorization, we see something as an interaction between the seer and what is seen. “Seeing typically involves categorization.”

    Our categories are what we consider to be real in the world: tree, rock, animal…Our concepts are what we use to structure our reasoning about these categories. Concepts are neural structures that are the fundamental means by which we reason about categories.

    Human categories, the stuff of experience, are reasoned about in many different ways. These differing ways of reasoning, these different conceptualizations, are called prototypes and represent the second level of conceptualization.


    Typical-case prototype conceptualization modes are “used in drawing inferences about category members in the absence of any special contextual information. Ideal-case prototypes allow us to evaluate category members relative to some conceptual standard…Social stereotypes are used to make snap judgments…Salient exemplars (well-known examples) are used for making probability judgments…Reasoning with prototypes is, indeed, so common that it is inconceivable that we could function for long without them.”

    When we conceptualize categories in this fashion we often envision them using spatial metaphors. Spatial relation metaphors form the heart of our ability to perceive, conceive, and to move about in space. We unconsciously form spatial relation contexts for entities: ‘in’, ‘on’, ‘about’, ‘across from’ some other entity are common relationships that make it possible for us to function in our normal manner.

    When we perceive a black cat and do not wish to cross its path our imagination conceives container shapes such that we do not penetrate the container space occupied by the cat at some time in its journey. We function in space and the container schema is a normal means we have for reasoning about action in space. Such imaginings are not conscious but most of our perception and conception is an automatic unconscious force for functioning in the world.

    Our manner of using language to explain experience provides us with an insight into our cognitive structuring process. Perceptual cues are mapped onto cognitive spaces wherein a representation of the experience is structured onto our spatial-relation contour. There is no direct connection between perception and language.

    The claim of SGCS (Second Generation Cognitive Science) is “that the very properties of concepts are created as a result of the way the brain and the body are structured and the way they function in interpersonal relations and in the physical world.”

    "To change the very concept of a category is to change not only our concept of the mind, but also our understanding of the world."

    Quotes from Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things: What Categories Reveal about the Mind George Lakoff and from Metaphors We Live By George Lakoff




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    I have a question for you. Is there some reason that you make all these cut and paste articles or what ever they are and then disappear?

    You never once post one original thought, or opinion. You never once answer a question, dialogue with anyone or make your own comments. It's just banal cut and paste from you on aarbitrary subjects. It's all you have ever done on this forum. Is there a point to this? It's annoying as hell.

    You used to fill up the entire chat section with this stuff at the rate of dozens and dozens of this stuff per day and the entire forum was filled for pages with this crap. Please don't do this again. You are pushing all the decent threads into oblivion. It is rude and inconsiderate. If this continues like it used to, I will just start bumping the other threads back up to the top as I have just done.

    What you do here, is the same thing as spamming the place, frankly.

    You even answered one of your cut and paste threads with guess what? An original thought? An oroiginal opinion? Oh no, it was yet another damn cut and paste! Knock it off already.

    If anyone wants to look up any of these subjects, we all have Google search. We don't need that from you. This is a place for actual human interaction.

    Look at pages 4,5,6,7,8 and beyond of this forum. It's dozens and dozens of these cut and pastes from you. Enough is enough already.

    Try actual communication for once with the posters on here. If you don't want to do that, then spare us and start a blog where you can cut and paste inane crap and do nothing else 24/7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    Concepts We Live By

    Most of us know “metaphor” only as an aspect of language that allows us to comprehend one concept in terms of another concept that is known to us. We think of metaphor as a matter of words only; not as a matter of thought and action.

    SGCS (Second Generation Cognitive Science) has found that “metaphor is pervasive in everyday life, not just in language but in thought and action. Our ordinary conceptual system, in terms of which we both think and act, is fundamentally metaphorical in nature.”

    This theory developed by SGCS represents a revolution in our comprehension of why humans do the things that we do.


    Our conceptual system is generally not something about which we often think; we are inclined to just think and act without any comprehension of the underlying reasons for this thought and action. We have been generally taught by our educational system to view only appearances as being worthy of our critically notice. We have been taught to view reality much like an iceberg, we see (metaphorically KNOW IS SEE) only the ten percentages that appears to the eye as being worth of critical comprehension.

    If we examine various scientific groups, both natural science and human science, we might find the often used metaphors KNOW IS ANALYZE or perhaps KNOW IS TEST. Our general culture uses KNOW IS SEE and SEEING IS BELIEVING. If we examine these metaphors we can see or perhaps analyze the fact that the culture and the metaphors we use within the group highlight the very nature of the intellectual nature of that group.

    Categorization, the first level of abstraction from “Reality” is our first level of conceptualization and thus of knowing. Seeing is a process that includes categorization, we see something as an interaction between the seer and what is seen. “Seeing typically involves categorization.”

    Our categories are what we consider to be real in the world: tree, rock, animal…Our concepts are what we use to structure our reasoning about these categories. Concepts are neural structures that are the fundamental means by which we reason about categories.

    Human categories, the stuff of experience, are reasoned about in many different ways. These differing ways of reasoning, these different conceptualizations, are called prototypes and represent the second level of conceptualization.


    Typical-case prototype conceptualization modes are “used in drawing inferences about category members in the absence of any special contextual information. Ideal-case prototypes allow us to evaluate category members relative to some conceptual standard…Social stereotypes are used to make snap judgments…Salient exemplars (well-known examples) are used for making probability judgments…Reasoning with prototypes is, indeed, so common that it is inconceivable that we could function for long without them.”

    When we conceptualize categories in this fashion we often envision them using spatial metaphors. Spatial relation metaphors form the heart of our ability to perceive, conceive, and to move about in space. We unconsciously form spatial relation contexts for entities: ‘in’, ‘on’, ‘about’, ‘across from’ some other entity are common relationships that make it possible for us to function in our normal manner.

    When we perceive a black cat and do not wish to cross its path our imagination conceives container shapes such that we do not penetrate the container space occupied by the cat at some time in its journey. We function in space and the container schema is a normal means we have for reasoning about action in space. Such imaginings are not conscious but most of our perception and conception is an automatic unconscious force for functioning in the world.

    Our manner of using language to explain experience provides us with an insight into our cognitive structuring process. Perceptual cues are mapped onto cognitive spaces wherein a representation of the experience is structured onto our spatial-relation contour. There is no direct connection between perception and language.

    The claim of SGCS (Second Generation Cognitive Science) is “that the very properties of concepts are created as a result of the way the brain and the body are structured and the way they function in interpersonal relations and in the physical world.”

    "To change the very concept of a category is to change not only our concept of the mind, but also our understanding of the world."

    Quotes from Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things: What Categories Reveal about the Mind George Lakoff and from Metaphors We Live By George Lakoff



    can you give an example of a change of concept or is that strictly a personal 'event'!? also this is saying we create an imaginary life and act it out based on concepts!?never inquiring, what's in the container!? what's the container about!?
    but as to the above criticism, i take it this material had an effect on you and you believe it may/should have the same effect on others!? :freak3: yb: :spidey:
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    Quote Originally Posted by put it out there baby View Post
    I have a question for you. Is there some reason that you make all these cut and paste articles or what ever they are and then disappear?

    You never once post one original thought, or opinion. You never once answer a question, dialogue with anyone or make your own comments. It's just banal cut and paste from you on aarbitrary subjects. It's all you have ever done on this forum. Is there a point to this? It's annoying as hell.

    You used to fill up the entire chat section with this stuff at the rate of dozens and dozens of this stuff per day and the entire forum was filled for pages with this crap. Please don't do this again. You are pushing all the decent threads into oblivion. It is rude and inconsiderate. If this continues like it used to, I will just start bumping the other threads back up to the top as I have just done.

    What you do here, is the same thing as spamming the place, frankly.

    You even answered one of your cut and paste threads with guess what? An original thought? An oroiginal opinion? Oh no, it was yet another damn cut and paste! Knock it off already.

    If anyone wants to look up any of these subjects, we all have Google search. We don't need that from you. This is a place for actual human interaction.

    Look at pages 4,5,6,7,8 and beyond of this forum. It's dozens and dozens of these cut and pastes from you. Enough is enough already.

    Try actual communication for once with the posters on here. If you don't want to do that, then spare us and start a blog where you can cut and paste inane crap and do nothing else 24/7.
    Get a life--get an intellectual life.

    My efforts are all directed at encouraging the reader to become a self-actualizing self-learner when their school daze are over.

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    If you conceptualize argument as combat you will respond differently than if you conceptualize argument as reasoned persuasion.

    Metaphors can kill and metaphors can heal. Metaphor can be a neural structure that provides a conscious means for comprehending an unknown and metaphor can be a neural structure that is unconsciously mapped (to be located) from one mental space onto another mental space. There is empirical evidence to justify the hypothesis that the brain will, in many circumstances, copy the neural structure from one mental space onto another mental space.

    Linguistic metaphors are learning aids. We constantly communicate our meaning by using linguistic metaphors; we use something already known to communicate the meaning of something unknown. Many metaphors, labeled as primary metaphors by cognitive science, are widespread throughout many languages. These widespread metaphors are not innate; they are learned. “There appear to be at least several hundred such widespread, and perhaps universal, metaphors.”

    Primary metaphors have this widespread characteristic because they are products of our common biology. Primary metaphors are embodied; they result from human experience, they “are part of the cognitive unconscious.”

    Metaphor is a standard means we have of understanding an unknown by association with a known. When we analyze the metaphor ‘bad is stinky’ we will find that we are making a subjective judgment wherein the olfactory sensation becomes the source of the judgment. ‘This movie stinks’ is a subjective judgment and it is made in this manner because a sensorimotor experience is the structure for making this judgment.

    CS is claiming that the neural structure of sensorimotor experience is mapped onto the mental space for another experience that is not sensorimotor but subjective and that this neural mapping becomes part of the subjective concept. The sensorimotor experience serves the role of an axiom for the subjective experience.

    Physical experiences of all kinds lead to conceptual metaphors from which perhaps hundreds of ‘primary metaphors’, which are neural structures resulting from sensorimotor experiences, are created. These primary metaphors provide the ‘seed bed’ for the judgments and subjective experiences in life. “Conceptual metaphor is pervasive in both thought and language. It is hard to think of a common subjective experience that is not conventionally conceptualized in terms of metaphor.”

    The neural network created by the sensorimotor function when an infant is embraced becomes a segment of the neural network when that infant creates the subjective experience of affection. Thus—affection is warmth.

    An infant is born and when embraced for the first time by its mother the infant experiences the sensation of warmth. In succeeding experiences the warmth is felt along with other sensations.

    Empirical data verifies that there often happens a conflation of this sensation experience together with the development of a subjective (abstract) concept we can call affection. With each similar experience the infant fortifies both the sensation experience and the affection experience and a little later this conflation aspect ends and the child has these two concepts in different mental spaces.

    This conflation leads us to readily recognize the metaphor ‘affection is warmth’.

    Cognitive science hypothesizes that conceptual metaphors resulting from conflation emerges in two stages: during the conflation stage two distinct but coactive domains are established that remain separate for only a short while at which time they lose their coactive characteristic and become differentiated into metaphorical source and target.

    I find that this ‘conceptual metaphor’ paradigm is a great means for comprehending the human condition. But, like me, you will have to study the matter for a long time before you will be able to make a judgment as to its value. This book “Philosophy in the Flesh” by Lakoff and Johnson, from which I derived these ideas and quotes, is filled with ideas that are new to the reader and thus studying it will require a good bit of perseverance.

    Have you ever, before reading this post, thought that the brain unconsciously copies the neural structure from one mental space onto another mental space? Those who find this idea compelling will discover, in this new cognitive science paradigm, a completely new way of thinking about philosophy and human nature.

    This new cognitive science paradigm is the best thing to happen to philosophy since Thales! How about them apples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    lexx

    If you conceptualize argument as combat you will respond differently than if you conceptualize argument as reasoned persuasion.

    Metaphors can kill and metaphors can heal. Metaphor can be a neural structure that provides a conscious means for comprehending an unknown and metaphor can be a neural structure that is unconsciously mapped (to be located) from one mental space onto another mental space. There is empirical evidence to justify the hypothesis that the brain will, in many circumstances, copy the neural structure from one mental space onto another mental space.

    Linguistic metaphors are learning aids. We constantly communicate our meaning by using linguistic metaphors; we use something already known to communicate the meaning of something unknown. Many metaphors, labeled as primary metaphors by cognitive science, are widespread throughout many languages. These widespread metaphors are not innate; they are learned. “There appear to be at least several hundred such widespread, and perhaps universal, metaphors.”

    Primary metaphors have this widespread characteristic because they are products of our common biology. Primary metaphors are embodied; they result from human experience, they “are part of the cognitive unconscious.”

    Metaphor is a standard means we have of understanding an unknown by association with a known. When we analyze the metaphor ‘bad is stinky’ we will find that we are making a subjective judgment wherein the olfactory sensation becomes the source of the judgment. ‘This movie stinks’ is a subjective judgment and it is made in this manner because a sensorimotor experience is the structure for making this judgment.

    CS is claiming that the neural structure of sensorimotor experience is mapped onto the mental space for another experience that is not sensorimotor but subjective and that this neural mapping becomes part of the subjective concept. The sensorimotor experience serves the role of an axiom for the subjective experience.

    Physical experiences of all kinds lead to conceptual metaphors from which perhaps hundreds of ‘primary metaphors’, which are neural structures resulting from sensorimotor experiences, are created. These primary metaphors provide the ‘seed bed’ for the judgments and subjective experiences in life. “Conceptual metaphor is pervasive in both thought and language. It is hard to think of a common subjective experience that is not conventionally conceptualized in terms of metaphor.”

    The neural network created by the sensorimotor function when an infant is embraced becomes a segment of the neural network when that infant creates the subjective experience of affection. Thus—affection is warmth.

    An infant is born and when embraced for the first time by its mother the infant experiences the sensation of warmth. In succeeding experiences the warmth is felt along with other sensations.

    Empirical data verifies that there often happens a conflation of this sensation experience together with the development of a subjective (abstract) concept we can call affection. With each similar experience the infant fortifies both the sensation experience and the affection experience and a little later this conflation aspect ends and the child has these two concepts in different mental spaces.

    This conflation leads us to readily recognize the metaphor ‘affection is warmth’.

    Cognitive science hypothesizes that conceptual metaphors resulting from conflation emerges in two stages: during the conflation stage two distinct but coactive domains are established that remain separate for only a short while at which time they lose their coactive characteristic and become differentiated into metaphorical source and target.

    I find that this ‘conceptual metaphor’ paradigm is a great means for comprehending the human condition. But, like me, you will have to study the matter for a long time before you will be able to make a judgment as to its value. This book “Philosophy in the Flesh” by Lakoff and Johnson, from which I derived these ideas and quotes, is filled with ideas that are new to the reader and thus studying it will require a good bit of perseverance.

    Have you ever, before reading this post, thought that the brain unconsciously copies the neural structure from one mental space onto another mental space? Those who find this idea compelling will discover, in this new cognitive science paradigm, a completely new way of thinking about philosophy and human nature.

    This new cognitive science paradigm is the best thing to happen to philosophy since Thales! How about them apples?
    Nobody here reads this stuff and nobody wants to either let alone respond to it All you are doing is wasting space. Take a hint

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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    Get a life--get an intellectual life.

    My efforts are all directed at encouraging the reader to become a self-actualizing self-learner when their school daze are over.
    What makes you think that posters come here to play student to your crappy assed, lame cut and paste teacher? YOU get a grip. You assume an awful lot boyo.

    So now you are saying people are not intelligent and that after they leave their formal education, they stop learning or studying and that it is your job to enlighten them? What an arrogant jackass you are.

    Funny that when you look on pages 4 and every page after of this forum where you posted this bullshit cut and paste of yours for ever on end, you got no responses 99% of the time. When you did, you maybe got 1 response and it was mostly from Lexx. WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU??? Take a damn hint. No one is interested in cut and paste esoteric crap that YOU find interesting and try to shove onto everyone else on this forum. People are here to have communication and interaction. For you though, it's all a one way street.

    Who appointed you to be be anyone's teacher on here? If people want to learn anything, that is why there is educational tv, classes that can be taken anywhere-even on line and books, which are all far more interesting and entertaining than your vapid cut and paste drivel. Everyone here knows how to search and read about any subject on the internet. You obviously have no interpersonal skills, hence the boring cut and paste and the total lack of particpating on any other threads in this entire forum or dialoguing with anyone, ever.

    You don't participate in any forum on Scam and never make any posts to anyone. You just sit here, apparently on your tiny throne and you have decided to be the cut and paste king of chat and lecture people because you have decided that they need lecturing and to be challenged by YOU. What a pompus obnoxious, egotistical ass you are. Get a life. Look in the mirrior before you start deciding what you think others need or want on here, pal. Again, take a hint from the huge lack of participation by others on all the other zillion of these stupid inane cut and paste posts you have made on this forum. Are you just that needy and desperate for attention and inconsiderate of the other threads? Obvioulsy you are.

    Go start a blog and post this bullshit on there. You can have a blog on this forum. Or, keep being an asshole and I will continue to bump up the other threads, just like I have done yesterday and today, jerk.

    Everyone breathed a sigh of relief when you disappeared for 4 months after spamming the shit out of this forum with this tripe on a daily basis.

    You are akin to herpes. Something you never quite get rid of and you never know when it's going to come back. What a legacy! ROTFL!

    There are plenty of intelligent people on this forum and they are not all self-serving idiots like you. But you wouldn't know that since you have never bothered to dialogue with anyone here or post and communicate on any forum or on any thread on Scam, ever!

    Tell me, how much intelligence does it take exactly to spam a forum with cut and paste drivel? How much intelligence do you have after doing this hundreds of times and getting no feedback or response 99% of the time? lmao There is nothing of value or meaning or intelligence in this behavior. It just goes to show how pathetic, needy and egocentric you are. We already know that btw. You don't have to keep proving it any longer. You are nothing but just another internet attention seeking troll. Piss off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Timer View Post
    Nobody here reads this stuff and nobody wants to either let alone respond to it All you are doing is wasting space. Take a hint
    There are some readers who have the capacity to comprehend the importance of acquiring an intellectual life. They are few but it only takes a few to begin the process of diverting the stampeding herd from going over the abyss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by put it out there baby View Post
    What makes you think that posters come here to play student to your crappy assed, lame cut and paste teacher? YOU get a grip. You assume an awful lot boyo.

    So now you are saying people are not intelligent and that after they leave their formal education, they stop learning or studying and that it is your job to enlighten them? What an arrogant jackass you are.

    Funny that when you look on pages 4 and every page after of this forum where you posted this bullshit cut and paste of yours for ever on end, you got no responses 99% of the time. When you did, you maybe got 1 response and it was mostly from Lexx. WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU??? Take a damn hint. No one is interested in cut and paste esoteric crap that YOU find interesting and try to shove onto everyone else on this forum. People are here to have communication and interaction. For you though, it's all a one way street.

    Who appointed you to be be anyone's teacher on here? If people want to learn anything, that is why there is educational tv, classes that can be taken anywhere-even on line and books, which are all far more interesting and entertaining than your vapid cut and paste drivel. Everyone here knows how to search and read about any subject on the internet. You obviously have no interpersonal skills, hence the boring cut and paste and the total lack of particpating on any other threads in this entire forum or dialoguing with anyone, ever.

    You don't participate in any forum on Scam and never make any posts to anyone. You just sit here, apparently on your tiny throne and you have decided to be the cut and paste king of chat and lecture people because you have decided that they need lecturing and to be challenged by YOU. What a pompus obnoxious, egotistical ass you are. Get a life. Look in the mirrior before you start deciding what you think others need or want on here, pal. Again, take a hint from the huge lack of participation by others on all the other zillion of these stupid inane cut and paste posts you have made on this forum. Are you just that needy and desperate for attention and inconsiderate of the other threads? Obvioulsy you are.

    Go start a blog and post this bullshit on there. You can have a blog on this forum. Or, keep being an asshole and I will continue to bump up the other threads, just like I have done yesterday and today, jerk.

    Everyone breathed a sigh of relief when you disappeared for 4 months after spamming the shit out of this forum with this tripe on a daily basis.

    You are akin to herpes. Something you never quite get rid of and you never know when it's going to come back. What a legacy! ROTFL!

    There are plenty of intelligent people on this forum and they are not all self-serving idiots like you. But you wouldn't know that since you have never bothered to dialogue with anyone here or post and communicate on any forum or on any thread on Scam, ever!

    Tell me, how much intelligence does it take exactly to spam a forum with cut and paste drivel? How much intelligence do you have after doing this hundreds of times and getting no feedback or response 99% of the time? lmao There is nothing of value or meaning or intelligence in this behavior. It just goes to show how pathetic, needy and egocentric you are. We already know that btw. You don't have to keep proving it any longer. You are nothing but just another internet attention seeking troll. Piss off.
    We were born smart enough but we weren’t born intellectually sophisticated enough to handle this high tech world we have invented.

    What is the difference between “being smart” and “being sophisticated”? I would say that we can use the handyman and his tool box as a good analogy for comprehending this difference. The number and quality of the instruments in a handyman’s tool box is a measure of his smartness and his experience using those tools is a measure of his sophistication.

    If a handyman has only a hammer then every job is a job that will get hammered on. If that handyman has a great tool box but has experience only with a hammer then that handyman will look for things that can be hammered into place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    We were born smart enough but we weren’t born intellectually sophisticated enough to handle this high tech world we have invented.

    What is the difference between “being smart” and “being sophisticated”? I would say that we can use the handyman and his tool box as a good analogy for comprehending this difference. The number and quality of the instruments in a handyman’s tool box is a measure of his smartness and his experience using those tools is a measure of his sophistication.

    If a handyman has only a hammer then every job is a job that will get hammered on. If that handyman has a great tool box but has experience only with a hammer then that handyman will look for things that can be hammered into place.
    Go yourself. Nobody gives a shit, jackass. You are not Henry Higgins and we are not your Eliza Doolittle, asshole. Man, you are a dense jerk-off. Good luck finding an audiance anywhere on the net for this drivel. You don't have one here, oh High and Mighty Guru of Inane Bullshit and Master Spammer. Move along. I will just keep bumping up the other threads and moving your crap further along the page every single time you pull this crap. You want to play games, you are on. I have no problem doing this. Takes me all of 3 minutes.

    Speaking of hammers, trying hitting yourself in the head with one a few times to see if it helps you. ROTFL! The days of you taking over and spamming the hell out of this forum with your inane bullshit cut and paste posts are over, pal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    We were born smart enough but we weren’t born intellectually sophisticated enough to handle this high tech world we have invented.

    What is the difference between “being smart” and “being sophisticated”? I would say that we can use the handyman and his tool box as a good analogy for comprehending this difference. The number and quality of the instruments in a handyman’s tool box is a measure of his smartness and his experience using those tools is a measure of his sophistication.

    If a handyman has only a hammer then every job is a job that will get hammered on. If that handyman has a great tool box but has experience only with a hammer then that handyman will look for things that can be hammered into place.
    well this makes more common sense then all that complexity of terminology and seemingly specialized understanding!? it's like whoever wrote the material wants to make sure it's sufficiently uncommon and confusing so that they maintain their expertise and status!? plus the fact that the material cant possibly be accurate in any absolute way since so much is really unknown!? for myself i can only accept the parts that i can relate to in some linguistic/translative way!? another way to put it is this material is to abstract and not practical enough!? we do not live in a relaxed layed back bored world where we need to fill our time with intellectual abstractions/suppositions/wonderings to achieve some kind of hope/happiness!? we need real easily applicable methodology in human relations with simple concepts and sound bite like advice that's easily remembered!? and the will to want to use them!? :freak3: :smurf:
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    well this makes more common sense then all that complexity of terminology and seemingly specialized understanding!? it's like whoever wrote the material wants to make sure it's sufficiently uncommon and confusing so that they maintain their expertise and status!? plus the fact that the material cant possibly be accurate in any absolute way since so much is really unknown!? for myself i can only accept the parts that i can relate to in some linguistic/translative way!? another way to put it is this material is to abstract and not practical enough!? we do not live in a relaxed layed back bored world where we need to fill our time with intellectual abstractions/suppositions/wonderings to achieve some kind of hope/happiness!? we need real easily applicable methodology in human relations with simple concepts and sound bite like advice that's easily remembered!? and the will to want to use them!? :freak3: :smurf:
    We can comprehend only what we have prepared our self to comprehend. Comprehension is a step by step process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    We can comprehend only what we have prepared our self to comprehend. Comprehension is a step by step process.
    what is the ultimate object of comprehension, and are not men drawn by their innate abilities to comprehend!? why waste time trying to learn a new way of comprehension!? certainly they must first be impressed in some way to make the attempt!? and rewards must be ongoing to keep up the pace!? the pace required to overcome the constantly nagging inertia!? :freak3: :bah: :smurf:
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    Re: Concepts We Live By

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    what is the ultimate object of comprehension, and are not men drawn by their innate abilities to comprehend!? why waste time trying to learn a new way of comprehension!? certainly they must first be impressed in some way to make the attempt!? and rewards must be ongoing to keep up the pace!? the pace required to overcome the constantly nagging inertia!? :freak3: :bah: :smurf:
    Comprehension is a hierarchy, resembling a pyramid, with awareness at the base followed by consciousness, succeeded by knowing, with understanding at the pinnacle.

    I have concocted a metaphor set that might relay my comprehension of the difference between knowing and understanding.

    Awareness--faces in a crowd.

    Consciousness—smile, a handshake, and curiosity.

    Knowledge—long talks sharing desires and ambitions.

    Understanding—a best friend bringing constant April.


    I am a retired engineer and my experience in the natural sciences leads me to conclude that these natural sciences are far more concerned with knowing than with understanding.

    Understanding is a long step beyond knowing and most often knowing provides the results that technology demands. Technology, I think, does not want understanding because understanding is inefficient and generally not required. The natural scientists, with their paradigms, are puzzle solvers. Puzzles require ingenuity but seldom understanding.

    I would say that understanding is the goal of intellection. To create meaningful knowledge one is advised to construct a sound foundation. The sound foundation for learning is derived from studying what the best minds in history can teach us.

    Good judgment is required for all aspects of life; it is especially useful in determining who the “best minds” are. CT (Critical Thinking) is the art and science of good judgment. It is advisable to study CT so that one can make better judgments in all aspects of life.

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