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    everyone NEEDS to watch this

    Hello everyone, i came across this today, and wow... please watch this video, everyone in the US needs to...this is the true story behind 911


    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change
    Last edited by stefandozier; 05-18-2006 at 08:41 AM.

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    Re: everyone NEEDS to watch this

    idk what to believe anymore

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    I have heard and read many times that the current administration was responsible for 9-11. But I have never seen anything like this video....

    omg - they really did it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connecticut Victim
    I have heard and read many times that the current administration was responsible for 9-11. But I have never seen anything like this video....

    omg - they really did it.
    Yeah they did. Here's more info.

    http://www.911truth.org/

    http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/

    http://www.911truthseekers.org/modules/weblog/

    http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=414 post # 242

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    Re: everyone NEEDS to watch this

    its too bad nobody will agree on this matter. It seems pretty obvious, all we have from these documentaries and articles is facts. And the "facts" that we're being told do not ad up with the real facts and evidence of the situation here. This questions the entire nationalistic movement and hostile invasion of afghanistan and iraq. Are we the 4rth Reich? this is really unsettling.

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    Re: everyone NEEDS to watch this

    Hello People,

    I have posed, this question to others before. Please do not think, I am being obtuse, or I believe in the "official story." I am really curious.

    Why is it so hard, to believe that we were attacked by foreign terrorists?

    Why is it so hard, to believe, because of America's foreign policy for the last 80 years, we were ripe for an attack?

    Why does it have to the administration?

    Maybe, America had it coming. :( Forgive me, and understand, while a country builds an empire, it also builds, and breeds many, many, many enemies. No empire, in the history of the world, rose and fell without the conquered, taking a swing at them. It always happens.

    DeeDee1965

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    I have to agree with DD. Some of what was said in the video holds merit, but much of it is nothing more than dreadful coincidence. One would have to be a little too credulous to believe America attacked itself.
    I put this video in the same category as the Moon Landing Hoax and The alien crash at area 51.

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    Re: everyone NEEDS to watch this

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee1965

    Why is it so hard, to believe that we were attacked by foreign terrorists?

    Why is it so hard, to believe, because of America's foreign policy for the last 80 years, we were ripe for an attack?
    Hi DeeDee,

    Niether one of these are at all hard to believe. I have bought into it for the last 4 1/2 yrs.

    I can understand why some people don't believe our government is responsible for 9-11. It's a HUGE thing to consider, and definitely not something that one person can convince another really happened - either one believes it or they don't. To each his own.

    But after watching this video, my heart hurts in a way that I haven't felt since my sister passed away. My brain has tried all day to tell me to "slow down - digest what you saw - don't jump to conclusions". But my heart tells me they did it - our government caused 9-11. I can't explain what this feels like.. omg - all those innocent people were killed by their own government...

    I wish I had never seen this video.

    CV

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    This video is nothing more than a conspiracy theory made for no other reason than to capitalize on one of the worse tragedies ever to hit our country.

    The first version had some nonsense about missles hitting the buildings, and blue screen technology being used to edit in "pictures" of the airplanes later on.

    Another video I viewed called 911eyewitness shot from across the river as the twin towers burned, I used to make up my own mind about why the towers collapsed.

    The alleged explosions heard seconds before each tower fell, I feel, were NOT explosives being used, but rather, the internal structure of the buildings self destructing as the fires COOLED!

    Remember, Heat expands, cooling contracts. The lighter smoke indicates a cooling fire being starved of its' fuel.

    My theory of the buildings collapse is, As the fires burned at their hottest, the metal support structure expanded and deformed. When the fires started cooling, those same support structures contracted, pulling away from their anchorage and causing the floors to "pancake" as mentioned in the 911 commissions report (Which I haven't read). The cooling effect kinda explains to me, the twisting of the upper part of one of the towers as it began to fall, and since the floors actually started collapsing 5-10 seconds before the towers fell, tells ME why the towers seemed to "freefall" with no resistance as there was little to none.

    My own personal analysis led me to the conclusion that, Yes, Real airplanes with Real people on them hit the twin towers, and the COOLING of the fires is what caused them to fall.

    As for complicity on the part of the bush administration, I have no doubt they knew what was going to happen and let it. But the missle / explosives theory just doesn't cut it with me.

    CV, My heart goes out to you and the other victims families, and it just sickens me that there are people out there just trying to make a buck off of our fears and grief.
    It is the mark of an instructed mind to rest satisfied with the degree of precision which the nature of the subject admits, and not to seek exactness, when only an approximation of the truth is possible. -Aristotle-

    :cool:

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    I also found the video uncompelling. But I have a question for sofakingtired:

    How do you explain the collapse of WTC7?

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    I'm 50/50 on the theory that the goverment was responsible for 9-11. Part of me has seen the videos about 9-11 and the "whole govermental conspiracy" and believes it, then the other part says don't buy into it. Did the goverment actually cause 9-11, possibly, more likely they let it happen just like the pres let Peal Harbor get attacked. If neither of the above are true then one thing I can be certain of is that our government, mainly our "lovely" president took advantage of the situation.

    So we'll probably never know. If the goverment didn't partake in it, something like it would have happened sooner or later. I agree with DeeDee, we've had it comming. America has made so many enemies and yet somehow we expected not to get "paid back." Though killing civlians shouldn't be the way of getting "paid back" that is how some people work.

    but the main reason I did this post was to ask - For you guys who believe the conspiracy thing whole heartdly - aren't you afraid that your post is going to get you in hot water?? I mean with wire tapping and the patriot act bla..bla..bla.. Speaking your mind may get you whisked off to some camp with your family never knowing what happed - at the very least you could get a visit from the feds from your "terrorists activities"

    Sad world we live in that I even had that thought cross my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sofakingtired

    CV, My heart goes out to you and the other victims families.
    Hi Sofaking,

    My sister was not a victim of 9-11. I apologize if my wording misled you.

    CV

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    Here's a nice article that pretty well debunks the whole Loose Change video. It makes a whole lot more sense.

    exerpt:
    The video begins with a direct eyewitness report from FOX reporter Mark Burnback [sic] who observed UA 175 that hit WTC2.

    "It definitely didn't look like a commercial plane. I didn't see any windows on the side. Again it was not a normal flight that I'd ever seen at an airport. It had a blue logo on the front and it did not look like it belonged in the area."

    This statement is taken as gospel both by Mr. Avery and his admirers, an amusing fact given the deserved reputation FOX enjoys as a propaganda station for the Cheney/Bush administration. Mr. Avery has lifted parts of the quote from Dave vonKleist's "In Plane Site", but has not mentioned that in the fuller version witness Birnbach states that he was at a subway stop in Brooklyn, hence at least a mile from the plane that was silhouetted against the sky, so that Birnbach would not be not able to see any windows because of both the distance and the lighting. Eyewitness reports for brief shocking events are notoriously unreliable; and other photos of the plane definitively show it had standard United Airlines markings; airplane wreckage with windows was found amongst the rubble at WTC5. Thus, Mr. Avery makes selective use of unreliable eyewitnesses ill placed to make the relevant observations, and he ignores other available evidence that this witness is mistaken. That's just for starters.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/g...se_change.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Button
    For you guys who believe the conspiracy thing whole heartdly - aren't you afraid that your post is going to get you in hot water?? I mean with wire tapping and the patriot act bla..bla..bla.. Speaking your mind may get you whisked off to some camp with your family never knowing what happed - at the very least you could get a visit from the feds from your "terrorists activities"
    Hi Button - Welcome to scam.com.

    No, I am not afraid of the government. It does however, scare the hell out me to think about what else they would do if we remain silent.....

    CV

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    heres some things from people who have extensive training and education in Physics and Structural Engineering/engineering that think the falling of the buildings resembled a controlled demolition more so than from a fire and weaked steel structures and also some critiques of offical government reports

    -Paper for Peer Review:

    “Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse? “
    By Steven E. Jones
    Department of Physics and Astronomy
    Brigham Young University
    Provo, UT 84604
    http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

    http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_314234334.html

    Official NIST Report: http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1CollapseofTowers.pdf
    -NIST Report Critique: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html
    -Official FEMA Report: http://www.fema.gov/library/wtcstudy.shtm
    -FEMA Report Critique: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/official/fema.html
    -Official 9/11 Commission Report: http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm
    -9/11 Commission Report Critique: http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/...on/report.html


    Professor Shi Yongjiu, Director of Civil Engineering Department, Qinghua University
    http://english.people.com.cn/english...920_80655.html


    Van Romero, Vice President for Research and Economic Development
    New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology
    http://www.world-action.co.uk/explosives.html


    http://news.baou.com/main.php?action=recent&rid=20284



    Jerry Russell, Ph.D. (MS in Engineering) - “Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC”
    http://www.attackonamerica.net/proof...itionatwtc.htm

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    Re: everyone NEEDS to watch this

    Here you go, take about a week or two to look all this information over, then we can talk


    http://www.universalseed.org/

    http://www.pentagonresearch.com/index.html




    The Illuminati and CFR By MYRON C. ***AN – 1967.

    Part 1 http://www.apfn.org/audio/***an-one.mp3
    Part 2 http://www.apfn.org/audio/***an-two.mp3
    Part 3 http://www.apfn.org/audio/***an-three.mp3
    Part 4 http://www.apfn.org/audio/***an-four.mp3
    Part 5 http://www.apfn.org/audio/***an-five.mp3
    Part 6 http://www.apfn.org/audio/***an-six.mp3

    Here is the FULL 2 Hour 30 Min Recording:
    http://777001.com/files/***an.mp3



    Here is a complete transcript of the audio above. It is titled "The Illuminati And The Counsel On Foreign Relations" By Myron C. ***an - A Transcript of The Illuminati and CFR, 1967

    http://www.whale.to/b/***an.html

    Here is Myron's Bio (Source 1):
    http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/myron***anbio.shtml

    Here is Myron's Bio (Source 2):
    http://100777.com/node/13/

    Here is an original writing called "The Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations"
    http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/illu...et8jun02.shtml


    Here is an original writing called "The Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations"
    http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/illu...et8jun02.shtml

    Here is a list of books/writings by Mr. ***an. (I don’t know or endorse the distributor)
    http://usa-the-republic.com/illumina..._book_list.htm



    SHORT MOVIES AND INTROS:
    The Illuminati - A 10 Minute Intro
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7DkS...rch=illuminati

    What is the New World Order? Mini 7 Minute Intro
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...19096&q=masons

    Invisibly Visible - Lilla Town Productions - A 25 Min Student Project
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...minati+symbols

    FULL LENGTH DOCUMENTORIES
    The Illuminati - Australian Independent Media
    Part 1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0&q=illuminati
    Part 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...7&q=illuminati

    The LightBringers: The Emissaries of Jahbulon (History of Freemasonry)
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...92406&q=masons

    “Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove” and “The Order of Death" by Alex Jones
    The Order of Death: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...order+of+death
    Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...Bohemian+Grove
    Secret Rulers of the World - The Satanic Shadowy Elite (Channel 4 Team that was with Alex in the Bohemian Grove): http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...Bohemian+Grove

    The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America
    Part 1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=money+masters
    Part 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=money+masters
    Part 3: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=money+masters



    I believe that if you actually take the time and look into this information i just provided, you will think differently about 9/11.. if you dont, then so be it...

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