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    Socialism fails again...

    Greece is run by a Socialist prime minister. I hope Barry is watching the outcome...people take to streets to protest against government


    By Mail Foreign Service
    Last updated at 5:15 PM on 11th March 2010



    Street clashes broke out between rioting youths and police in central Athens today as tens of thousands demonstrated during a nationwide strike against the cash-strapped government.
    Hundreds of masked and hooded youths punched and kicked motorcycle police, knocking several off their bikes, as police responded with volleys of tear gas and stun grenades.
    The violence spread after the end of the march to a nearby square, where police faced off with stone-throwing anarchists and suffocating clouds of tear gas sent patrons scurrying from open-air cafes.
    Police say 16 suspected rioters were detained and two officers were injured.

    Stand off: Greek police dodge petrol bombs hurled by rioters on the streets of Athens as protests against new measures to boost the economy turn violent




    Up close: A flaming bottle flies towards a has-masked police officer who steps back to avoid being hit
    Rioters used sledge hammers to smash the glass fronts of more than a dozen shops, banks, jewelers and a cinema.

    Youths also set fire to rubbish bins and a car, smashed bus stops, and chopped blocks off marble balustrades and building facades to use as projectiles.
    Organisers said some 60,000 people took part in the protest. But an unofficial police estimate set the crowd at around 20,000 - including those that took part in a separate, peaceful march earlier Thursday. Police do not issue official crowd estimates for demonstrations.
    Thursday's strike - the second in a week - brought the country to a virtual standstill, grounding all flights and bringing public transport to a halt.


    Chaos: A demonstrator kicks a tear gas canister as the 24 hour general strike turns ugly

    Blockade: Strikers estimate up to 60,000 people had taken to the streets



    State hospitals were left with emergency staff only and all news broadcasts were suspended as workers walked off the job for 24 hours to protest spending cuts and tax hikes designed to tackle the country's debt crisis.
    Riot police made heavy use of tear gas during the start-and-stop clashes throughout the demonstration, including outside Parliament.

    Strikers and protesters banged drums and chanted slogans such as 'no sacrifice for plutocracy,' and 'real jobs, higher pay.'
    People draped banners from apartment buildings reading: 'No more sacrifices, war against war.
    The demonstrators included hundreds of black-clad anarchists in crash helmets and ski masks, who repeatedly taunted and attacked riot police with stones and petrol bombs, at one point spraying officers with brown paint.

    Extreme measures: Masked rioters set fire to a car during the demonstration


    Force: Hundreds of police were deployed during the protests


    Shopkeepers along the demonstration route hastily rolled down their shutters, while a few blocks away, people sat at outdoor restaurants, nonchalantly continuing their meals.
    Tear gas wafted through the city center's streets, sending businessmen in suits scurrying for cover, their eyes streaming.
    Minor clashes also broke out in the northern city of Thessaloniki, where about 14,000 people marched through the center.
    Fears of a Greek default have undermined the euro for all 16 countries that share it, putting the Greek government under intense European Union pressure to quickly show fiscal improvement.
    It has announced a raft of savings through public sector salary cuts, hiring and pension freezes and consumer tax hikes to deal with its ballooning deficit, but the measures have led to a new wave of labor discontent.
    The cutbacks, added to a previous austerity plan, seek to reduce the country's budget deficit from 12.7 percent of annual output to 8.7 percent this year. The long-term target is to bring overspending below the EU ceiling of 3 percent of GDP in 2012.
    The new plan sparked a wave of strikes and protests from labour unions whose reaction to the initial austerity measures had been muted.





    Violence: Baton-wielding riot police clash with demonstrators in Athens

    Target: A rioter sets fire to entrance of a hoteis
    Thursday's strike shut down all public services and schools, leaving ferries tied up at port and suspending all news broadcasts for the day.

    However, some private bank branches were open despite calls from the bank employees' union to participate in the strike.
    While their colleagues clashed with groups of protesters, some police joined the demonstration.
    About 200 uniformed police, coast guard and fire brigade officers, who cannot go on strike but can hold protests, gathered at a square in the center of the city shortly before the marches got under way.
    'The police and other security forces have been particularly hard hit by the new measures because our salaries are very low,' said Yiannis Fanariotis, general secretary of one police association.
    Joining the protest 'doesn't feel strange, because we are working people like everybody else and we are all shouting out for our rights,' he said.
    The government says the tough cuts are its only way to dig Greece out of a crisis that has hammered the common European currency and alarmed international markets - inflating the loan-dependent country's borrowing costs.
    But unions say ordinary Greeks are being called to pay a disproportionate price for past fiscal mismanagement.
    'They are trying to make workers pay the price for this crisis,' said Yiannis Panagopoulos, leader of Greece's largest union, the GSEE.
    'These measures will not be effective and will throw the economy into deep freeze.'
    A general strike last Friday was marred by violence during a large protest march. Riot police used tear gas and baton charges against rock-throwing protesters, who smashed banks and storefronts, while left-wing protesters roughed up Panagopoulos as he was addressing a rally.
    The labour unrest could spark fears that the government will have trouble in implementing its new measures.
    Greece insists it doesn't need a bailout, and its European partners are reluctant to fund one.

    But it has called for European and international support for its program, saying that unless it receives that support and the cost for it to borrow on the market falls, it might have to appeal to the International Monetary Fund for help.
    On Wednesday night, Deputy Prime Minister Theodore Pangalos said Greece could bypass the costly process of borrowing from edgy markets by urging international institutions to buy its bonds at a set interest rate.
    'We want, if there is an unjustified speculative attack against Greek bonds, to know that one of these institutions that have the substantial means to absorb such market products will come and say "look here, I am buying Greek bonds at this price, with this interest rate,"' Pangalos told private Mega TV.
    He did not say which institutions he was referring to, or elaborate on the interest rate.
    Markets think some kind of rescue would be organised if default looms. Speculation has focused on possible guarantees for Greek bonds or help from state-owned banks in other eurozone countries.



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    Re: Socialism fails again...

    Wow...the cradle of Democracy and f aggotology.

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    Fears of a Greek default have undermined the euro for all 16 countries that share it, putting the Greek government under intense European Union pressure to quickly show fiscal improvement.
    It has announced a raft of savings through public sector salary cuts, hiring and pension freezes and consumer tax hikes to deal with its ballooning deficit, but the measures have led to a new wave of labor discontent.
    Clearly Greece is the most inept of the European Union nations. Picking out the ugly duckling and then portraying it as the norm doesn't really work.

    Let me sit back and watch as you make a totally irrelevant comment related to Dchristie, my name, some sort of sexual innuendo, or abortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneway View Post
    Greece is run by a Socialist prime minister.
    ..... oookkkaaayyyy....
    I hope Barry is watching the outcome...people take to streets to protest against government.
    Sorry, have to stop you there. Huge whopping irrelevant non sequitur.

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    Bullshit oneway, don't be so fuggin daft. Have any type of insurance at all? You're a socialist. And you like it. Look at every single politician you send to Washington. Every last lovin' one of 'em has top notch socialist healthcare plans for themselves and their families at taxpayers' expense. Think they're giving that up? Serve a term, draw your salary for life. Socialism bub, "both" parties. And some of 'em have the gall to tell you it's evil for anyone else to have what they have.

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    there's no such thing as a real socialist government!? i mean as long as capitalism is alive and well in the PRIVATE sector socialism will never be able to work properly!? you know, it's like universal healthcare, if everyone's not included, it fails
    economically!? and hey!? riots are what make life interesting!? : :spin2: :
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    Re: Socialism fails again...

    Quote Originally Posted by oneway
    I hope Barry is watching the outcome...people take to streets to protest against government
    His name isn't Barry.

    It's Barack Obama.

    Why don't you call him by his real name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermie View Post
    Bullshit oneway, don't be so fuggin daft. Have any type of insurance at all? You're a socialist. And you like it. Look at every single politician you send to Washington. Every last lovin' one of 'em has top notch socialist healthcare plans for themselves and their families at taxpayers' expense. Think they're giving that up? Serve a term, draw your salary for life. Socialism bub, "both" parties. And some of 'em have the gall to tell you it's evil for anyone else to have what they have.

    How does having insurance from a private company make you a socialist? You lost me on that one.

    I agree on the bums we have in office now, throw them all out, they suck. Sarah Palin will save us all.
    Last edited by oneway; 03-11-2010 at 02:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbie Zirconia View Post
    His name isn't Barry.

    It's Barack Obama.

    Why don't you call him by his real name?
    To be totally accurate you should use A/K/A (Also Known As) Barry Sotero as he used that namewhile in Indonesia :judges:
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnappyDan
    To be totally accurate you should use A/K/A (Also Known As) Barry Sotero as he used that namewhile in Indonesia
    Well, oneway used to go by the name soheil while he was banned last month.

    So if he's going to call President Obama "Barry", then I'll call oneway "soheil" from now on.

    Sound fair to you?

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    i love seeing pictures of happy socialists. since you all are on a first name basis with barry, why is he going to indonesia?

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    Actually,

    to be completely fair, since 1974 the Panhellenic Socialist Movement (PASOK) has won 7 elections, as has the conservative New Democracy (ND) party, with neither party being able to win an absolute majority in the 1988/89 elections.

    Far from being a failure of either socialist OR conservative policies, the current situation in Greece is the result of decades of failure by politicians of any persuasion to manage the countries affairs, either in the long or short term.

    Politicians can only delay the inevitable for so long before reality bites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mumbles
    i love seeing pictures of happy socialists.
    And I love seeing pictures of happy teabaggers.

    Greece has no choice but to cut spending and increase taxes.

    I suppose you'd be out in the streets too if the same thing happened in the United States . . . right?

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    um, no. here we have elections. people can replace their representative every two years and the prez in four. throwing molotov cocktails into stores isn't how we express ourselves. did you see all the molotov cocktails the tea party threw? no? must be the biased media won't let you see, eh?


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    IM(very)HO,

    the key to the reasons behind the rioting can be found in the single line within the OP:

    But unions say ordinary Greeks are being called to pay a disproportionate price for past fiscal mismanagement.
    Note the union official doesn't specify "socialist" fiscal mismanagement or "conservative" or "communist" mismanagement.

    As pointed out in an earlier post, since the 1970s, the political scene in Greece has been evenly split between socialist and conservative oriented governments.

    Again IM(very)HO the dire situation in which Greece finds itself is more to do with the fact it has relied on "politicians" "political parties" and highly inefficient and corrupt bureaucracies for too long.

    The country suffers from high levels of political and economic corruption and low global competitiveness relative to its EU partners. Although remaining above the euro area average, economic growth turned negative in 2009 for the first time since 1993
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    Quote Originally Posted by mumbles View Post
    um, no. here we have elections. people can replace their representative every two years and the prez in four. throwing molotov cocktails into stores isn't how we express ourselves. did you see all the molotov cocktails the tea party threw? no? must be the biased media won't let you see, eh?

    Sorry, there was me thinking there had been riots in US in the past. You will no doubt say they weren't the fault of socialism..... and neither are the riots in Greece.

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