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    Are Agel's "vitamins" as healthy as they claim to be?

    There has been a bit of talk about Agel lately on the forum. The company’s comp plan doesn’t seem too bad, although it’s part binary… which I am not a fan of. But I’ve always wondered what the heck that “gel” was made of that the vitamins/minerals are suspended in. So finally today I decided to take a look at the ingredients. What I found caused a little bit of concern.

    4 out of the 5 Agel vitamins (FIT, EXO, MIN, OHM, and UMI) contain a “Proprietary Sweetening Blend” composed of Inulin, Xylitol, Neotame, and Acesulfame-K. I had no idea what these ingredients were, so I decided to Google them. A few of them worried me… and this is why:

    Inulin – This is a type of sugar produced by plants. It doesn’t seem so bad other than that it has been found to trigger serious allergic reactions. So that’s not good.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inulin

    http://allergies.about.com/cs/inulin/a/aa051500a.htm

    Xylitol – This one also didn’t cause me much concern. It doesn’t seem bad as long as you don’t let your dog get any of it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylitol

    Neotame – Okay now this is where the concern begins. Apparently this sugar is even WORSE than aspartame!

    http://www.karinya.com/neotame.htm

    http://www.mindfully.org/Food/Neotam...-FDA5jul02.htm

    http://www.holisticmed.com/neotame/

    Acesulfame-K – They’re saying that this one causes cancer in animals… which means it probably increases the risk of cancer in humans. Yeah… that’s awesome. Let me have some of that!! They say that the cancer-testing was inadequate, so it’s really not known whether it causes cancer or not… but the probability is enough for me to stay away.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acesulfame_potassium

    http://www.cspinet.org/reports/asekquot.html

    http://www.holisticmed.com/acek/

    http://www.wholefoods.com/healthinfo/acesulfamek.html


    I don’t know about any of you… but I’m someone who actually cares what’s in the product I’m selling to people. I don’t think I’d want any of my friends or family (or anyone for that matter) taking anything that contains ingredients like this. I don’t care if they’re all FDA approved… it’s not like the FDA has never approved anything that’s caused harm to people before.

    Another question…. why does Agel need all of this sugar?

    Here are the links to the PDF files that show each Agel product’s ingredients…

    UMI – This is the one that doesn’t have the Proprietary Sweetening blend… but they do add fructose, which still isn’t good. http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_umi.pdf

    EXO - http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_exo.pdf

    FIT - http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_fit.pdf

    MIN - http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_min.pdf

    OHM - http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_ohm.pdf


    Again… I am no expert… but based on what I’ve found on Google, Agel’s products aren’t looking too good... and I STILL haven’t figured out what the “gel” is made of.
    I do not believe that MLM/Network Marketing is a bad business model. I believe it's the shady people in MLM that make it LOOK bad. As long as you work hard, run your business ethically, and work with ethical people, then MLM can help you reach your financial goals... whether it's just to make extra money on the side or a full-time income.

    "Never argue with an idiot. They just drag you down to their level and beat you with years of experience."

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    Re: Are Agel's "vitamins" as healthy as they claim to be?

    The production of gelatin starts with the boiling of bones, skins, and hides of pigs and cows, in 70-foot vats to extract and hydrolyze the protein collagen, which is then soaked and filtered. Horns or hooves are not used, as is traditionally thought. The extract is then dried and ground to form a powder, and is mixed with sugar, adipic acid, fumaric acid, sodium citrate, and artificial flavorings and food colors. Because the collagen is processed extensively, the final product is not categorized as a meat or animal product by the US federal government.
    this maybe?

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    Oh and your right ...not a product I would give to anyone

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    uhhh... yummy? hahaha
    I do not believe that MLM/Network Marketing is a bad business model. I believe it's the shady people in MLM that make it LOOK bad. As long as you work hard, run your business ethically, and work with ethical people, then MLM can help you reach your financial goals... whether it's just to make extra money on the side or a full-time income.

    "Never argue with an idiot. They just drag you down to their level and beat you with years of experience."

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    Re: Are Agel's "vitamins" as healthy as they claim to be?

    May I ask what the problem is with binary?

    Binary comp plans are much better than MLM comp plans which, in my opinion, are designed for distributors to fail.

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    Re: Are Agel's "vitamins" as healthy as they claim to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beachboy
    May I ask what the problem is with binary?

    Binary comp plans are much better than MLM comp plans which, in my opinion, are designed for distributors to fail.
    Just curious...you state that "MLM comp plans which, in my opinion, are designed for distributors to fail." You are burying virtually the entire industry with that statement. I guess I just wanted to make sure that's what you wanted to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by openQuestion
    Just curious...you state that "MLM comp plans which, in my opinion, are designed for distributors to fail." You are burying virtually the entire industry with that statement. I guess I just wanted to make sure that's what you wanted to do.
    yeah, i just assumed that he wasnt in MLM with that statement. :confused:

    may we ask you, Beachboy, why binary plans are so much better than other comp plans? (and yes...if the plan is binary...it is still an MLM company)

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    Re: Are Agel's "vitamins" as healthy as they claim to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beachboy
    May I ask what the problem is with binary?

    Binary comp plans are much better than MLM comp plans which, in my opinion, are designed for distributors to fail.
    I'm not a fan of the fact that you can only build 2 lines... and you get paid on the lesser one (or in some companies you get paid wherever the two lines are equal). I've never seen a binary comp plan that offers you the chance to earn on every rep in your downline's production.

    But anyway... this isn't a comp plan discussion... there are other threads for that. If you look through some of those you'll find my stance on binary comp plans.
    Last edited by April47; 05-11-2006 at 10:03 PM.
    I do not believe that MLM/Network Marketing is a bad business model. I believe it's the shady people in MLM that make it LOOK bad. As long as you work hard, run your business ethically, and work with ethical people, then MLM can help you reach your financial goals... whether it's just to make extra money on the side or a full-time income.

    "Never argue with an idiot. They just drag you down to their level and beat you with years of experience."

    Pink Zebra Sprinkles

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    Re: Are Agel's "vitamins" as healthy as they claim to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by April47
    There has been a bit of talk about Agel lately on the forum. The company’s comp plan doesn’t seem too bad, although it’s part binary… which I am not a fan of. But I’ve always wondered what the heck that “gel” was made of that the vitamins/minerals are suspended in. So finally today I decided to take a look at the ingredients. What I found caused a little bit of concern.

    4 out of the 5 Agel vitamins (FIT, EXO, MIN, OHM, and UMI) contain a “Proprietary Sweetening Blend” composed of Inulin, Xylitol, Neotame, and Acesulfame-K. I had no idea what these ingredients were, so I decided to Google them. A few of them worried me… and this is why:

    Inulin – This is a type of sugar produced by plants. It doesn’t seem so bad other than that it has been found to trigger serious allergic reactions. So that’s not good.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inulin

    http://allergies.about.com/cs/inulin/a/aa051500a.htm

    Xylitol – This one also didn’t cause me much concern. It doesn’t seem bad as long as you don’t let your dog get any of it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylitol

    Neotame – Okay now this is where the concern begins. Apparently this sugar is even WORSE than aspartame!

    http://www.karinya.com/neotame.htm

    http://www.mindfully.org/Food/Neotam...-FDA5jul02.htm

    http://www.holisticmed.com/neotame/

    Acesulfame-K – They’re saying that this one causes cancer in animals… which means it probably increases the risk of cancer in humans. Yeah… that’s awesome. Let me have some of that!! They say that the cancer-testing was inadequate, so it’s really not known whether it causes cancer or not… but the probability is enough for me to stay away.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acesulfame_potassium

    http://www.cspinet.org/reports/asekquot.html

    http://www.holisticmed.com/acek/

    http://www.wholefoods.com/healthinfo/acesulfamek.html


    I don’t know about any of you… but I’m someone who actually cares what’s in the product I’m selling to people. I don’t think I’d want any of my friends or family (or anyone for that matter) taking anything that contains ingredients like this. I don’t care if they’re all FDA approved… it’s not like the FDA has never approved anything that’s caused harm to people before.

    Another question…. why does Agel need all of this sugar?

    Here are the links to the PDF files that show each Agel product’s ingredients…

    UMI – This is the one that doesn’t have the Proprietary Sweetening blend… but they do add fructose, which still isn’t good. http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_umi.pdf

    EXO - http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_exo.pdf

    FIT - http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_fit.pdf

    MIN - http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_min.pdf

    OHM - http://www.agel.com/pdfs/supp_ohm.pdf


    Again… I am no expert… but based on what I’ve found on Google, Agel’s products aren’t looking too good... and I STILL haven’t figured out what the “gel” is made of.


    April,

    Great post. While I am not bashing AGEL, it's very clear what they promote---TOP NETWORKERS. They sell the business with the name. Randy Gage is the heavy hitter. The start up costs are insane, and in all honesty noone will take the time to look at what is in the so-called "gel". People like yourself, myself, and others who DO care about what goes into their bodies are not involved with agel. They claim the "quadra plan" is the most incredible plan ever. It's a recruitment plan. You don't get paid for "EVERYONES PRODUCTION" in your downline.


    Personally, I will stick with stuff that I know works. And stuff, that doesn't have the name of "Gelceuticals" trying to make it sound scientific.
    FYL's response to ACNs revenue their 5th year in business:

    Originally Posted by freeyourlife
    ACN did in the 100's of millions.

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    Re: Are Agel's "vitamins" as healthy as they claim to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by April47
    I'm not a fan of the fact that you can only build 2 lines... and you get paid on the lesser one (or in some companies you get paid wherever the two lines are equal). I've never seen a binary comp plan that offers you the chance to earn on every rep in your downline's production.

    But anyway... this isn't a comp plan discussion... there are other threads for that. If you look through some of those you'll find my stance on binary comp plans.

    Well, I have been posting long enough I thought everyone knew by now that i am in Market America. I understand the MLM vs. Non MLM argument which is why I said "traditional MLM"...as in find 5 who find 5. So there is the distinction I am making.

    And here is my train of thought...
    I know and understand MA is not the easiest thing in the world...I think it is built so normal people can be successful, but that does not guarantee success.

    From the "traditional" MLM plans I have seen, the average person has virtually zero chance of ever making any real money. The reason is because they are required to build some crazy number of sales organizations (5 or more)...and if someone quits they have to continually rebuild. And it then becomes a huge recruiting game that people can't sustain. So eventually everyone quits.

    Heaven forbid someone does well...because then they break away (in many, not all MLM's). So you want your people to be successful, but not more successful than you. Now you are competitors. Despite being in the same "group".

    And because you only get paid a certain number of levels, people in your own group a certain number of levels down...are now direct competitors with you as well. Which is why MLM creates such cut-throat activities. You have to compete with everyone including your own group. To me, this is just plain stupid.

    See, I don't think traditional MLM's are bad or evil. I just think they are so incredibly difficult, normal people can't make a dime.

    With MA in particular...you only NEED to build 2 sales organizations. A much more reasonable number. HOWEVER...April you can build more than 2 if you choose. If I wanted to, I could build 5 right now. Why would I want to? I strongly suggest people not do that, because you are setting yourself up to fail...but the choice is yours. Over time I will develop those 5...but why do it all at once?
    I can start by building my first 2...when they are done to my satisfaction I can build more, and make money on all of them. From the MLM plans I have seen, if you don't build at least 5-10, you really don't make anything. Plus if I have someone who is not doing any work, I don't have to worry about it...I can sponsor someone below him, and work with that new person to build my "weak" leg. Which to me is great. My future is not determined by that person.

    With MA, we never break away.
    I help people make more money than me...and I like it. One person in my group has done it.
    We don't have levels, so we are never in direct competition with our own group. Which should really just be common sense. (To me)
    We get paid on all the volume that moves through our businesses. Not percentages based on levels...this gives us incentives to actaully work as a team...not competitors. Because we'll get credit anyway.

    We publish the earnings of our distributor base...and have those numbers 3rd party audited. I have never seen a traditional MLM company do this. There may be a couple out there...but I have never seen it.

    We also have rules and regulations that we (most of us) follow and there are repricussions if we break the rules. (Yes, of course there are bad apples) However, in MLM if you steal someones prospect they applaud you...in MA they don't tolerate it. There is a field compliance department to make sure the bad apples don't take over...and they will kick you out if the offense warrants it. And that is a DAMN good thing. A REALLY DAMN good thing. Any legitimate franchise does the exact same thing! This may not work perfectly all the time...but it is better than any MLM I have ever seen. I watched people steal prospects from my dad in PPD. I have seen it happen to friends in Option 3, and Pharmanex (NuSkin) as well.

    These are just a few examples. And to make things clear, I don't think MA is perfect...but we have evolved over time, and we continually work to improve. We bring new products out all the time, we get rid of our bad products so they don't hurt us. We have added large pieces to our comp. plan as well. The traditional MLM's I have seen seem to remain pretty stagnant.

    Lastly, I don't have anything against traditional MLM...in fact I have a lot of respect for people who at least try it. But based on my experience, I have found that there are only 3 types of direct sales companies.

    1. The type where only the business really makes money, distributors don't make any real money while the company makes millions.

    2. The kind that is a flash in the pan...the comp plan pays a TON, but implodes, dies, and leaves a trail of destruction and p*ssed off people.

    3. The kind of business that is designed to make sure the company makes money and remains financially strong and stable for the long term. Plus, they ensure that the comp plan pays it's people good money as well. Obviously keeping the biz in good shape is the #1 priority, as with all business...but the distributor base is actually #2 on the list. In traditional MLM that I have seen the distributor base getting paid is an after-thought at best.

    I have seen 4 or 5 traditional MLM plans, and heard of several others...so I am no expert on all of them. But, I have also never seen or heard of any traditional MLM company falling into catagory 3. I haven't seen one that even comes close. Market America, in my opinion, does...Usana is pretty close. And there are some new types of comp. plans coming out that may as well...but they are too new. They need to be at least 5-10 years old.

    That is my experience...maybe there are some good traditional MLM companies out there, but I have not seen any.

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    Re: Are Agel's "vitamins" as healthy as they claim to be?

    Wow so you saying the gel does more dmg then good? thats scary if true

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    Re: Are Agel's "vitamins" as healthy as they claim to be?

    at1... that's what I'm saying. I'm not even sure if the "proprietary sweetening blend" is the gel... but it's in the vitamin and it doesn't sound good. I still haven't quite figured out what exactly the gel is made of... haha.

    beachboy... I'll read that longarse post later when I get more time... but just keep in mind that this isn't an MA thread and none of my comments were directed towards MA.. even though MA has a binary comp plan. So lets keep the MA comments in the 5 MA threads that already exist. THIS IS ABOUT AGEL... NOT MA.

    and you better watch it... your post count is getting up there. We wouldn't want someone to imply that you're a bad parent, now would we? (assuming you have kids, that is)
    I do not believe that MLM/Network Marketing is a bad business model. I believe it's the shady people in MLM that make it LOOK bad. As long as you work hard, run your business ethically, and work with ethical people, then MLM can help you reach your financial goals... whether it's just to make extra money on the side or a full-time income.

    "Never argue with an idiot. They just drag you down to their level and beat you with years of experience."

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    Re: Are Agel's "vitamins" as healthy as they claim to be?

    No kids...and I just gave my 2 weeks notice at my job...so I am all good.

    I know this is not an MA thread...and I would be willing to discuss the differences between binary and traditional MLM via email if you'd like.

    I am trying not to bash them...I just don't think they work effectively any more. They are not scams...just very difficult.

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    sure... if you'd love to tell me all the benefits of binaries... I'm always willing to learn. getfour@gmail.com is my email address.

    and you DO know why I made that kids comment, right?
    I do not believe that MLM/Network Marketing is a bad business model. I believe it's the shady people in MLM that make it LOOK bad. As long as you work hard, run your business ethically, and work with ethical people, then MLM can help you reach your financial goals... whether it's just to make extra money on the side or a full-time income.

    "Never argue with an idiot. They just drag you down to their level and beat you with years of experience."

    Pink Zebra Sprinkles

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    Re: Are Agel's "vitamins" as healthy as they claim to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beachboy
    No kids...and I just gave my 2 weeks notice at my job...so I am all good.

    I know this is not an MA thread...and I would be willing to discuss the differences between binary and traditional MLM via email if you'd like.

    I am trying not to bash them...I just don't think they work effectively any more. They are not scams...just very difficult.
    I certainly agree with the last sentence. But I don't know enough about binaries to get into that. But I'd be more than happy to learn as well. So PM me with the same stuff you send to April. A little research and understanding never hurt anyone.

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    Re: Are Agel's "vitamins" as healthy as they claim to be?

    Okay...I dunno why I was banned (NeoGelGlobal) but yea go for it and PM me for info...ive been soo busy with AGEL I haven't gone on here...ask me about binaries and such....

    and yea I love Binary...alot of my friends in Usana who are 18-25 are doing great with binary structure...great houses...lamborghinis, lotuses...etc...

    now with other forms of comp plans on the other hand....

    Who knows...maybe your comp plan is great...but from the results ive seen...binary (for me) is the way to go.

    And why are the start up costs insane?...

    250 + 35@retail doesn't seem too shabby to me.
    Last edited by Agel Nate; 05-13-2006 at 12:06 PM.

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