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    Fusion To Be Achieved, This Year

    Fusion energy hurdle swept aside
    By Jason Palmer

    Science and technology reporter, BBC News
    A major hurdle to producing fusion energy using lasers has been swept aside, results in a new
    report show.
    The controlled fusion of atoms - creating conditions like those in our Sun - has long been touted as a
    possible revolutionary energy source.
    However, there have been doubts about the use of powerful lasers for fusion energy because the
    "plasma" they create could interrupt the fusion.
    An article in Science showed the plasma is far less of a problem than expected.
    The report is based on the first experiments from the National Ignition Facility (Nif) in the US that used
    all 192 of its laser beams.
    Along the way, the experiments smashed the record for the highest energy from a laser - by a factor of
    20.
    ...............
    Full Article
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    Dr Glenzer is confident that with everything in place, ignition is on the horizon.
    He added, quite simply, "It's going to happen this year."

    It is time to stop the "Global Warming" debate and work together on real achievement. One needs to keep in mind that, even if CO2-free cheap energy were to supply all the world's energy needs, it won't stop socialists and anarchists from trying to "redistribute wealth" or otherwise bring down Western democracies. But, then, that will be a battle for another day.

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    With respect Fusion is one of those evil socialist technology pipe dreams you dismissed earlier. Government funded no less.

    Now that someone elses hard work could pay off you claim victory?

    It's time you realized that your imaginary view of environmental measures is just that. Imaginary.

    I work everyday hindered by environmental measures. Things that prevent me from chopping down trees, building too close to rivers, wetlands, balancing the water balance of the area and many other things you'd find silly. A few I find silly as well.

    I actually know why these things are in place. You do not and have not bothered to look and instead attribute it to some all powerful imaginary boogie man.

    Don't worry the future is here. Without your help. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spector567 View Post
    With respect Fusion is one of those evil socialist technology pipe dreams you dismissed earlier. Government funded no less.
    I would have dismissed fusion only if I was drunk and stoned at the time. What is socialist technology? You must mean socialist idology. Socialism doesn't invent. Free people invent.
    I am not a big fan of big fans(windmills), perpetual motion machines, pedal power, or engines that run on bacon grease! Perhaps you are talking about so-called "cold fusion". It never happend, by the way. As it turned out, Fleischmann and Pons, the embarrassed and failed researchers that claimed to produce nuculear fusion at room temperatures, were discredited. No one was ever able to reproduce their so called results.
    When it comes to nuclear power, I'm a huge advocate. Soon, we could start seeing the development of nuclear reactors(fission type) that use the relatively safe element, Thorium. Thorium is readily available and burns more efficiently than uranium, leaving less waste. It also has fewer and less hazardous peripheral waste products, and its half life is measured in centuries, not millenia. And, there's plenty of Thorium in the US. Practical application of fusion many be years away but the latest news is quite exciting. Stay tuned.
    Real science can be quite exciting. The daily drone of drivil from lunatics blaming the West and CO2 for all the world's problems is becoming less than dull.
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    I mean that it was goverment funded technology. that so called left wing socialists funded to over a billion a year. A pipe dream to most. Cheap and fairly efficient energy that could vastly even the playing field. It will whip out coal plants and possibly the oil industry.

    Everything you have fought against. Or possibly, you didn't relize what you were fighting against or what it appears to everyone else your fighting against.

    And Like I said before your imaginary view of enviromental measures is too simple.

    Everyone knows that nuklear power is one of the cleanest powers around. It is also most expensive to build and requires alot of security. Hence why windmills up in the farm land are a good idea. They are small transported energy that is far from the regular power grid that directly benefit the farmers. You can't build multiple nuklear plants to support all the small farm towns but you can build a lot of windmills.

    Aka, They help the farmer by giving them better and cheaper access to power when they are far from the power plants. They also increase farm income. However, In the city windmills are kinda silly.

    Windmills have nothing to do with socialism but intelligence.


    As for why your blamed alot for Co2 problems. You are less than 5% of the planet and burn 25% of the oil on earth. Yeah it's pretty wasteful. For the past 2 climate change summits you have done nothing. One of your political parties actively teaches global warming denial (not just human made). The fact that I had to explain to mumbles about 8 times why hydrogen fuel cells can save him gas money and how saving money isn't a bad thing.

    Yeah you get blamed for alot.


    I fully admit I'm very terse with you at times. It pains me. You are not a stupid person. However, you like to put everything that you don't agree with under the catch all socialism (coldwar propaganda). I term that must have had it's definition rewritten since when I learned it in school. Things you agree with become "created by free people".

    Instead of using silly politically charged catch phrases just say you find windmills silly.

    And stop being afraid of the non-existent boogie man. Because this isn't a give and inch lose a mile situation. This is a times have changed the technology has too. Saying otherwise discredits most of your arguments.
    Last edited by Spector567; 02-01-2010 at 03:41 AM.

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    Re: Fusion To Be Achieved, This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by phlipper View Post
    .....it won't stop socialists and anarchists from trying to "redistribute wealth" or otherwise bring down Western democracies. But, then, that will be a battle for another day.
    You see, that there, thats just crazy talk. Who are these anarchists? Who is trying to bring down western democracies? Seriously?

    Ive said it before, but its worth repeating. The left and right in US (and UK etc) are only slightly left or right of centre. Neither want to or could bring down western democracies.

    You guys are seriously over-stressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spector567 View Post
    I mean that it was goverment funded technology. that so called left wing socialists funded to over a billion a year.
    There is no doubt that certain mega-projects must be government funded. The ability to make war with advanced weapon systems and extraterrestrial exploration are just a two examples where private ******* (can't type fund_ing. Thread software considers it a bad word!!) is impractical. But there is a difference between grand science experiments and grand social experiments. I have to accept that you know the difference. Otherwise, I would have to list, explain, and argue the merits and follies of each. I won't go there. Most socialists, if they went to college, majored in the social sciences and have no clue or interest about how science works. Many socialists(Barack Obama, for example) align themselves with Marxists and anarchists. Those people have no interest in the advancement of the societies to which they belong and, in reality, want to bring them down to third world status. You may have those sentiments yourself. I don't know. Windmills are pretty, if there are only a few, but an inefficient eyesore when laid out by the thousands. Real scientific problems demand real scientific solutions not "feel good" but impotent constructs.
    Anyway, I didn't want to argue any of these points. I just thought that, in case anyone is interested, this news development on fusion was an historic milestone worth mentioning. It is, in a sense, perpetual motion. You get more energy out than it take to impolde the atoms together. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the importance of this......then again, maybe it does.:sun_smiley:
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    Thankyou. I always knew you were a smart guy. While I disagree with you on many things you at least have some reason for it. Some of it misguided I think.

    (can't type fund_ing. Thread software considers it a bad word!!)
    lol Yes it is appeartently.

    But there is a difference between grand science experiments and grand social experiments. I have to accept that you know the difference. Otherwise, I would have to list, explain, and argue the merits and follies of each. I won't go there. Most socialists, if they went to college, majored in the social sciences and have no clue or interest about how science works.
    With respect that is your imaginary view and continued mis-use of the word socalist.

    You'll notice that most people in this forum that you have called socialist have non-social science degrees and base there logic on other things. I mayself think the social sciences are a lost cause for most.

    This imaginary blanket all phrase of socialist vastly hindiners your argument since that person does not exist in any meaningful capacity. The hippies don't have any power.

    Many socialists(Barack Obama, for example) align themselves with Marxists and anarchists. Those people have no interest in the advancement of the societies to which they belong and, in reality, want to bring them down to third world status. You may have those sentiments yourself.
    With respect I wish to prevent that. Was a great nation because of it's social, economic and technoligical advancement. That has come to a halt. Maintaining the status quo is what you do if you want to fall behind.

    The only social advancment I want to see is for people to stop with there imaginary percieved view of things and deal with the reality of things.

    Safe sex education for instance. America is the only nation that teaches abstance only. It also has highest teen pregnecy, and abortion rate of all industrilized nation by over 2x. It also has the highest crime rate of the G8.

    The percieved view is failing miserably and people are walking off a cliff with a smile.

    Windmills are pretty, if there are only a few, but an inefficient eyesore when laid out by the thousands. Real scientific problems demand real scientific solutions not "feel good" but impotent constructs.
    That sadly is impracticle and a one step solution. Find me a cheap energy source in the middle of no-where. There isn't one. Other power plants would be even more of an eye sore and cost more to mantain.

    Anyway, I didn't want to argue any of these points. I just thought that, in case anyone is interested, this news development on fusion was an historic milestone worth mentioning. It is, in a sense, perpetual motion. You get more energy out than it take to impolde the atoms together. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the importance of this......then again, maybe it does.:sun_smiley:
    Very good point and i'm VERY glad you brought that to my attention.

    I just feel that some of your views are impracticle when applied to the real world. I also feel that a large part of your dislike of some things are based entirly ingrained propaganda vs logical thought. However, I think this is un-intentional. I'm not claiming complete open mindedness on all things either.

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    Re: Fusion To Be Achieved, This Year

    I accept and resemble all your critical remarks
    about my critical remarks.



    ~~The End
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    Quote Originally Posted by phlipper View Post
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    An article in Science showed the plasma is far less of a problem than expected.
    The report is based on the first experiments from the National Ignition Facility (Nif) in the US that used
    all 192 of its laser beams.
    Now you've gone and done it, phlipper.

    Spector is going to purchase 193 laser pointers at Office Max and point all of them at a pint of plasma he gets from a medical supply house.

    It's his idea of "science".
    "As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on the same credentials." - Newt Gingrich

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarackZero View Post
    Now you've gone and done it, phlipper.

    Spector is going to purchase 193 laser pointers at Office Max and point all of them at a pint of plasma he gets from a medical supply house.

    It's his idea of "science".
    Phillipper I introduce you to barrack.

    -2 weeks behind the curve.

    -No clue what the discussion was.

    -had to skip over 5+ posts in order to make a comment.

    -Still sarcastic and insulting to the end.

    The saddest thing about this is that he believes what he said was witty. :

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarackZero View Post
    Now you've gone and done it, phlipper.

    Spector is going to purchase 193 laser pointers at Office Max and point all of them at a pint of plasma he gets from a medical supply house.

    It's his idea of "science".
    you make fun of many such inventors who started in their "garage"!? you insult the very thing that has made america great!? just to try and be a smart aleck/attention ho!? .....like me!? :freak3: :cwm2: :
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    what about this!? :freak3: :spin2: :

    http://www.stardrivedevice.com/over-unity.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    what about this!? :freak3: :spin2: :

    http://www.stardrivedevice.com/over-unity.html
    That violates Occam's Razor for Scams, which states, in essence:
    "The more complicated the scam, the less sucessful the ruse and, the more years spent on the Funny Farm."

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