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    http://attitudeadjustment.tripod.com/Essays/MLM.htm
    by Luke Setzer

    Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) companies like Amway and Nu Skin are notorious for hyping their "business opportunities" and promising riches to those who "work hard" at "building the business". However, a closer look reveals a very dark side to the MLM industry, as the following testimonial from a seasoned MLMer will demonstrate:

    My wife and I have been involved with the MLM industry for 20 years. We have built many large downlines and have come to the following well-reasoned conclusions.

    We're tired of building big downlines only to see them fade away, companies go out of business, regulatory action, lawsuits, bad press, etc. Distributors are along for a ride in a cart driven by someone else.

    Selling a product-based deal is fine, but the idea of marketing a business opportunity to prospects when we know the numbers is not ethical for us. In its purest form, MLM is a viable method of marketing if its focus is on products and not primarily the business. Selling the dream of financial independence with MLM is a mirage for 90+% of distributors. The MLM industry statistics are that on average only 10% of distributors get a commission check each month. Of that 10%, 80% do not make enough to sustain themselves as a full-time income. Industry-wide company statistics show that 90% of distributors drop out of each company within a 1-2 year period. The distributor churn rate is terrible.

    Any way you cut it, MLM statistically does not work for 90+% of those involved. And those who make the big bucks are in a more elite group--usually 1/10 of 1% of all distributors.

    We found that we could not ethically sell the MLM dream of financial independence for all. It is impossible. For me to get $10,000+ a month, I have to build this on the backs of all the users, consumers, and little people--the ones who buy their $100 a month of whatever and don't get a check. This money flows upline to distributors and back to the company from people who don't make their monthly qualifications.

    In MLMs, you do not own your own business, you do not own the product, and you are not in control of your destiny. The company holds all the strings--product supply, computer tracking, commissions, collections, customer service, order fulfillment, publicity, compliance, public relations, comp plan, everything. All you own is a position in a long line of distributors. You do not control the product you sell, the comp plan, what the company does or does not do, the money that is paid . . . distributors own nothing other than the opportunity to sign more distributors and manage the existing downline. You are at the mercy of the company, upline, downline, media, and government.

    This is why we're doing our own thing--developing our own products (books, information products), marketing, and selling. We started this four years ago. We've got no one to answer to except us. We've got control. We direct market to customers, find more new customers, nurture that relationship, and make more sales. The most important thing we've got is our customer list and that relationship and goodwill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by How Come?
    http://attitudeadjustment.tripod.com/Essays/MLM.htm
    by Luke Setzer

    Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) companies like Amway and Nu Skin are notorious for hyping their "business opportunities" and promising riches to those who "work hard" at "building the business". However, a closer look reveals a very dark side to the MLM industry, as the following testimonial from a seasoned MLMer will demonstrate:

    My wife and I have been involved with the MLM industry for 20 years. We have built many large downlines and have come to the following well-reasoned conclusions.

    We're tired of building big downlines only to see them fade away, companies go out of business, regulatory action, lawsuits, bad press, etc. Distributors are along for a ride in a cart driven by someone else.

    Selling a product-based deal is fine, but the idea of marketing a business opportunity to prospects when we know the numbers is not ethical for us. In its purest form, MLM is a viable method of marketing if its focus is on products and not primarily the business. Selling the dream of financial independence with MLM is a mirage for 90+% of distributors. The MLM industry statistics are that on average only 10% of distributors get a commission check each month. Of that 10%, 80% do not make enough to sustain themselves as a full-time income. Industry-wide company statistics show that 90% of distributors drop out of each company within a 1-2 year period. The distributor churn rate is terrible.

    Any way you cut it, MLM statistically does not work for 90+% of those involved. And those who make the big bucks are in a more elite group--usually 1/10 of 1% of all distributors.

    We found that we could not ethically sell the MLM dream of financial independence for all. It is impossible. For me to get $10,000+ a month, I have to build this on the backs of all the users, consumers, and little people--the ones who buy their $100 a month of whatever and don't get a check. This money flows upline to distributors and back to the company from people who don't make their monthly qualifications.

    In MLMs, you do not own your own business, you do not own the product, and you are not in control of your destiny. The company holds all the strings--product supply, computer tracking, commissions, collections, customer service, order fulfillment, publicity, compliance, public relations, comp plan, everything. All you own is a position in a long line of distributors. You do not control the product you sell, the comp plan, what the company does or does not do, the money that is paid . . . distributors own nothing other than the opportunity to sign more distributors and manage the existing downline. You are at the mercy of the company, upline, downline, media, and government.

    This is why we're doing our own thing--developing our own products (books, information products), marketing, and selling. We started this four years ago. We've got no one to answer to except us. We've got control. We direct market to customers, find more new customers, nurture that relationship, and make more sales. The most important thing we've got is our customer list and that relationship and goodwill.
    Very well written, well thought-out, and with the ring of truth. A very concise analysis. Thanks for sharing.

    These are the types of writings I mean when I suggest to all the MLMers out there that us "nay-sayers" are NOT negative, and that you need to listen to what we have to say before dismissing this in toto. Many of us have a reasoned opinion that this business/industry does not, and will not, work in the long term. No one with a brain and an open mind can argue that the opinions stated above are not rational ones. So listen/read, and then make your own call.
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    long term residuals? long term biz model,please define long term .success2u buzz

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    http://www.mlmwatch.org/01General/10lies.html
    Here are ten lies I have identified during more than 20 years of observing the MLM marketplace:

    Lie #1: MLM offers better opportunities than all other conventional
    business and professional models for making large amounts of money.


    Truth: For almost everyone who invests, MLM turns out to be a losing financial proposition. Fewer than 1% of all MLM distributors ever earn a profit and those earning a sustainable living at this business are a much smaller percentage still.

    Extraordinary sales and marketing obstacles account for much of this failure, but even if the business were more feasible, sheer mathematics would severely limit the opportunity. The MLM business structure can support only a small number of financial winners. If a 1,000-person downline is needed to earn a sustainable income, those 1,000 will need one million more to duplicate the success. How many people can realistically be enrolled? Much of what appears as growth is in fact only the continuous churning of new enrollees. The money for the rare winners comes from the constant enrollment of armies of losers. With no limits on numbers of distributors in an area and no evaluation of market potential, the system is also inherently unstable.

    Lie #2: Network marketing is the most popular and effective new way to bring products
    to market. Consumers like to buy products on a one-to-one basis in the MLM model.


    Truth: Personal retailing -- including nearly all forms of door-to-door selling -- is a thing of the past, not the wave of the future. Retailing directly to friends on a one-to-one basis requires people to drastically change their buying habits. They must restrict their choices, often pay more for goods, buy inconveniently, and engage in potentially awkward business relationships with close friends and relatives. In reality, MLM depends on reselling the opportunity to sign up more distributors.

    Lie #3: Eventually all products will be sold by MLM. Retail stores, shopping malls,
    catalogs and most forms of advertising will soon be rendered obsolete by MLM.


    Truth: Fewer than 1% of all retail sales are made through MLM, and much of this is consists of purchases by hopeful new distributors who are actually paying the price of admission to a business they will soon abandon. MLM is not replacing existing forms of marketing. It does not legitimately compete with other marketing approaches at all. Rather, MLM represents a new investment scheme couched in the language of marketing. Its real products are distributorships that are sold through misrepresentation and exaggerated promises of income. People are buying products in order to secure positions on the sales pyramid. The possibility is always held out that you may become rich if not from your own efforts then from some unknown person ("the big fish") who might join your "downline."

    MLM's growth does not reflect its value to the economy, customers, or distributors, but the high levels of economic fear, insecurity, wishes for quick and easy wealth. The market dynamics are similar to those of legalized gambling, but the percentage of winners is much smaller.

    Lie #4: MLM is a new way of life that offers happiness and fulfillment.
    It provides a way to attain all the good things in life.


    Truth: The most prominent motivational themes of the MLM industry, as shown in industry literature and presented at recruitment meetings, constitute the crassest form of materialism. Fortune 100 companies would blush at the excess of promises of wealth, luxury, and personal fulfillment put forth by MLM solicitors. These appeals actually conflicts with most people's true desire for meaningful and fulfilling work at something in which they have special talent or interest.

    Lie #5: MLM is a spiritual movement.

    Truth: The use of spiritual concepts like prosperity consciousness and creative visualization to promote MLM enrollment, the use of words like "communion" to describe a sales organization, and claims that MLM fulfills Christian principles or Scriptural prophecies are great distortions of these spiritual practices. Those who focus their hopes and dreams upon wealth as the answer to their prayers lose sight of genuine spirituality as taught by religions. The misuse of these spiritual principles should be a signal that the investment opportunity is deceptive. When a product is wrapped in the flag or in religion, buyer beware! The "community" and "support" offered by MLM organizations to new recruits is based entirely upon their purchases. If the purchases and enrollment decline, so does the "communion.'"

    Lie #6: Success in MLM is easy. Friends and relatives are the natural prospects.
    Those who love and support you will become your life-time customers.


    Truth: The commercialization of family and friendship and the use of"'warm leads" advocated in MLM marketing programs are a destructive element in the community and very unhealthy for individuals involved. People do not appreciate being pressured by friends and relatives to buy products. Trying to capitalizing upon personal relationships to build a business can destroy one's social foundation.

    Lie #7: You can do MLM in your spare time. As a business, it offers the greatest flexibility
    and personal freedom of time. A few hours a week can earn a significant supplemental income
    and may grow to a very large income, making other work unnecessary.


    Truth: Making money in MLM requires extraordinary time commitment as well as considerable personal skill and persistence. Beyond the sheer hard work and talent required, the business model inherently consumes more areas of one's life and greater segments of time than most occupations. In MLM, everyone is a prospect. Every waking moment is a potential time for marketing. There are no off-limit places, people, or times for selling. Consequently, there is no free space or free time once a person enrolls in MLM system. While claiming to offer independence, the system comes to dominate people's entire life and requires rigid conformity to the program. This is why so many people who become deeply involved end up needing and relying upon MLM desperately. They alienate or abandon other sustaining relationships.

    Lie #8. MLM is a positive, supportive new business that
    affirms the human spirit and personal freedom.


    Truth: MLM is largely fear-driven. Solicitations inevitably include dire predictions about the impending collapse of other forms of distribution, the disintegration or insensitivity of corporate America, and the lack of opportunity in other occupations. Many occupations are routinely demeaned for not offering"unlimited income." Working for others is cast as enslavement for "losers." MLM is presented as the last best hope for many people. This approach, in addition to being deceptive, frequently discourages people who otherwise would pursue their own unique visions of success and happiness. A sound business opportunity does not have to base its worth on negative predictions and warnings.

    Lie #9. MLM is the best option for owning your own
    business and attaining real economic independence.


    Truth: MLM is not true self-employment. "Owning" an MLM distributorship is an illusion. Some MLM companies forbid distributors to carry other companies' products. Most MLM contracts make termination of the distributorship easy and immediate for the company. Short of termination, downlines can be taken away arbitrarily. Participation requires rigid adherence to a "duplication" model, not independence and individuality. MLM distributors are not entrepreneurs but joiners in a complex hierarchical system over which they have little control.

    Lie #10: MLM is not a pyramid scheme because products are sold.

    Truth: The sale of products does not protect against anti-pyramid-scheme laws or unfair trade practices set forth in federal and state law. MLM is a legal form of business only under rigid conditions set forth by the FTC and state attorneys general. Many MLMs are violate these guidelines and operate only because they have not been prosecuted. Recent court rulings are using a 70% rule to determine an MLM's legality: At least 70% of all goods sold by the MLM company must be purchased by nondistributors. This standard would place most MLM companies outside the law. The largest MLM acknowledges that only 18% of its sales are made to nondistributors.

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    Dead as a Dodo springs to mind. As I have said continually who would want to work for an MLM company if they really could deliver all this time freedom nonsence.

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    ... Any way you cut it, MLM statistically does not work for 90+% of those involved. And those who make the big bucks are in a more elite group--usually 1/10 of 1% of all distributors.

    We found that we could not ethically sell the MLM dream of financial independence for all. It is impossible. For me to get $10,000+ a month, I have to build this on the backs of all the users, consumers, and little people--the ones who buy their $100 a month of whatever and don't get a check. This money flows upline to distributors and back to the company from people who don't make their monthly qualifications.

    In MLMs, you do not own your own business, you do not own the product, and you are not in control of your destiny. The company holds all the strings--product supply, computer tracking, commissions, collections, customer service, order fulfillment, publicity, compliance, public relations, comp plan, everything. All you own is a position in a long line of distributors. You do not control the product you sell, the comp plan, what the company does or does not do, the money that is paid . . . distributors own nothing other than the opportunity to sign more distributors and manage the existing downline. You are at the mercy of the company, upline, downline, media, and government.
    Quote Originally Posted by openQuestion View Post
    Very well written, well thought-out, and with the ring of truth. A very concise analysis. Thanks for sharing.

    These are the types of writings I mean when I suggest to all the MLMers out there that us "nay-sayers" are NOT negative, and that you need to listen to what we have to say before dismissing this in toto. Many of us have a reasoned opinion that this business/industry does not, and will not, work in the long term. No one with a brain and an open mind can argue that the opinions stated above are not rational ones. So listen/read, and then make your own call.
    Indeed, openQuestion, very well written, well thought-out, and with a definite ring of truth.

    Something the pro-MLM faction on this board should learn is to listen to what us "nay-sayers" have to say before dismissing everything in toto [sic].

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    Why would anyone pay $100 every month on products if they weren't getting a cheque?
    I can only think of 2 reasons:

    They like the products and want to use them;
    or
    They dont like the products, or are indifferent to them, but have more money than sense.

    I dont see how you can blame MLM.
    "People are not interested in your product or your business; they are interested in solving their own problems." -- James Dillehay, Entrepreneur and Author

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Bunkum View Post
    Indeed, openQuestion, very well written, well thought-out, and with a definite ring of truth.

    Something the pro-MLM faction on this board should learn is to listen to what us "nay-sayers" have to say before dismissing everything in toto [sic].
    Yeah right, "ring of truth"...ing1:

    While reading it, I almost immediately suspected that, being as this thread is over five years old, about an article that's NINE YEARS OLD!!!

    I had a funny feeling that DocBunky had to be the one dredging this anti-MLM CRAP up, & sure enough it was Doc!

    Whad-dya know?! More extremist, Anti-MLM BS from Fitzwilly!

    Doc, can't you come up with ANYTHING NEW, or even remotely accurate!!

    Fitzwilly exaggerates almost everything he writes, & it's filled with obvious errors, hype & inaccuracies.

    Fitzwilly has almost zero credibility IMO, and zip! for a track record as a scam-buster...much like SBM, Doc's iconic scam-busting hero....ing1:

    Here's something for all of those "All MLM's are scams" FitzPatrick fans to squirm over...

    Quote Originally Posted by LenCle-ments@MarketWaveinc.com
    FitzWilly has written another popular internet hit piece titled "The 10 Big Lies of Multi-Level Marketing." He kicks this diatribe off b.y calling MLM a "free market hoax... analogous to calling the purchase of a lottery ticket a 'business venture.'" Of all the specific accusations made b.y anti-MLM zealots none offends or insults me more than this one. I've put in years of hard work, at great expense and sacrifice, to get to the level of success that I've reached in MLM. Now I'm being told ** Robert FitzWilly that I was just lucky.

    FitzWilly again reveals his lack of understanding of even the most basic MLM concepts with observations like, "If a 1,000-person downline is needed to earn a substantial income... those 1,000 will need one million more to duplicate the success." True, if you assume all 1,000 of those under you are on your first level - a wholly absurd assumption. However, if you had 1,000 people under you, wouldn't the nine people directly upline from you also have at least 1,000 under them? So, right there we have ten people with 1,000 people under them and it only required 10% of the people FitzPatrick is claiming it would. To be fair, I understand and appreciate the point he's trying to make - yes, the progression obviously can't go on forever - but let's not mislead the reader with garbage math. His statement is simply, logically, mathematically untrue.

    I won't attempt to defend against each and every one of FitzWilly's alleged "big lies" since they all fall into one of three categories. Either they are simply not a lie, such as #7, "You can do MLM in your spare time." In fact, most successful MLMers worked part time in the beginning. Your time investment does take on a bell shaped curve, requiring more than spare time effort eventually, but only as your downline, and income, grows accordingly. Or, the "lie" is overstated, such as #6, "Success in MLM is easy." Sure, many over-zealous, naive or dishonest MLM participants make such claims. But most don't. The majority understand the obvious folly in using such an approach - if you deceive your prospect into joining this way, they are quickly and inevitably going to discover the truth on their own and quit, making the whole process pointless. Or, the "lie" is entirely fictitious, such as #3, "Eventually ALL products will be sold b.y MLM" (emphasis mine). Even the mythical "50-60% of all goods will be moved ** MLM... according to the Wall Street Journal" claim is accepted as ridiculous today b.y most MLMers with even a modicum of experience. I have heard some of the most outrageously over hyped MLM presentations of all time, and never, not one single time, have I heard anyone even insinuate that, someday, "all" products will be sold via MLM.

    So, to wrap up, Robert FitzWilly acknowledges in his works that MLM is "backed b.y an ex-president" and "defended b.y top law firms." He claims MLM even has its own caucus in Congress. Inc. Magazine, Forbes, Entrepreneur, and Success Magazine have all published positive articles about this industry. MLM is recognized as a legal business model b.y all fifty state's Attorneys General, the FTC, the vast majority of the House and Senate, and many state and federal courts, and has been for decades - not to mention the SEC and the several hundred thousand investors in MLM company stock. Yet, FitzWilly believes he's right, and all of them are wrong. He also claims the "great majority" of the three largest U.S. based MLM company's sales are outside the U.S. - so we're fooling the citizens, courts, and regulators in over 60 other country too!

    Or, maybe the ex-president, top law firms, business media, our state and federal government - and the several million of you who participate in this industry - are the one's who get it, and Robert FitzWilly is wrong.

    Click Here for entire expose'
    Nice try, Doc.

    More anti-MLM BS!ing1:
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    While reading it, I almost immediately suspected that, being as this thread is over five years old, about an article that's NINE YEARS OLD!!!
    Went right over your head I see. The intent of this thread, that is.

    No, genius, this thread isn't about a NINE YEARS OLD article written ** Robert L. Fitzpatrick!!!

    The OP was about a former distributor - Luke Setzer - who's conscious was bothering him and he had trouble sleeping nights, so to ease his feelings of guilt for all the people he had taken advantage of and lied to, he wrote that essay to reveal the fundamental flaw in MLM and to warn others.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    I had a funny feeling that DocBunky had to be the one dredging this anti-MLM CRAP up, & sure enough it was Doc!
    Congratulations! You discovered how to connect a user name to a post.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Whad-dya know?! More extremist, Anti-MLM BS from Fitzwilly!
    As I said, dick head, this thread is about an article ** Luke Setzer - not "Fitzwilly" as you refer to him.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Doc, can't you come up with ANYTHING NEW, or even remotely accurate!!
    You're asking if I can't come up with ANYTHING NEW, or even remotely accurate?

    There's a certain irony there. Between you and your side kick Chrispy, the two of you have made almost 20,000 moronic posts repeating the same pro-MLM tripe over and over.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Fitzwilly has almost zero credibility IMO, and zip! for a track record as a scam-buster...much like SBM, Doc's iconic scam-busting hero....ing1:
    Again, the irony is almost over powering!

    You speak of zero credibility - then quote Len Cle-ments! :cwm2:

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Nice try, Doc.
    Thank you.

    There's pure gold buried in the archives of scam.com I tell you - pure gold - and I intend to mine some of those gems and bring them to the forefront once again.

    Much to your chagrin I'm certain.

    BTW, your reference to "Fitzwilly" reminds of that joke about the two gay Irishmen - Gerald Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzgerald.

    But I imagine that joke flew right over your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by openQuestion View Post
    Very well written, well thought-out, and with the ring of truth. A very concise analysis. Thanks for sharing.

    These are the types of writings I mean when I suggest to all the MLMers out there that us "nay-sayers" are NOT negative, and that you need to listen to what we have to say before dismissing this in toto. Many of us have a reasoned opinion that this business/industry does not, and will not, work in the long term. No one with a brain and an open mind can argue that the opinions stated above are not rational ones. So listen/read, and then make your own call.
    Did any of you Anti-MLMr's even click on 'home' in the link found in the OP's first post?

    You might try that.

    The OP is still building an MLM business, with TeamBeachBody.

    Must not be ALL that bad, huh!

    MLM is FAR from a perfect business. It has some 'issues' to be sure...but, they aren't ALL scams, are they now?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Bunkum View Post
    Went right over your head I see. The intent of this thread, that is.

    No, genius, this thread isn't about a NINE YEARS OLD article written ** Robert L. Fitzpatrick!!!

    The OP was about a former distributor - Luke Setzer - who's conscious was bothering him and he had trouble sleeping nights, so to ease his feelings of guilt for all the people he had taken advantage of and lied to, he wrote that essay to reveal the fundamental flaw in MLM and to warn others.



    Congratulations! You discovered how to connect a user name to a post.



    As I said, dick head, this thread is about an article ** Luke Setzer - not "Fitzwilly" as you refer to him.



    You're asking if I can't come up with ANYTHING NEW, or even remotely accurate?

    There's a certain irony there. Between you and your side kick Chrispy, the two of you have made almost 20,000 moronic posts repeating the same pro-MLM tripe over and over.



    Again, the irony is almost over powering!

    You speak of zero credibility - then quote Len Cle-ments! :cwm2:



    Thank you.

    There's pure gold buried in the archives of scam.com I tell you - pure gold - and I intend to mine some of those gems and bring them to the forefront once again.

    Much to your chagrin I'm certain.

    BTW, your reference to "Fitzwilly" reminds of that joke about the two gay Irishmen - Gerald Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzgerald.

    But I imagine that joke flew right over your head.
    Nice try.

    Sorry, epic FAIL. Luke Setzer is STILL building an MLM. Team BeachBody.

    Guess that went right over your head, huh Doc?! Open your mind and your eyes.

    Next.:judges:
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Did any of you Anti-MLMr's even click on 'home' in the link found in the OP's first post?

    You might try that.
    I did!

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    The OP is still building an MLM business, with TeamBeachBody.
    Day 1 is October 27, 2003?

    It is now March 23, 2005 -- and I am soooooo psyched!
    March 23, 2005?

    LRSetzer - Team Beach Body

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Must not be ALL that bad, huh!
    I have issues with people calling themselves "coaches" pushing Team Beach Body.

    But that's a whole another issue.

    BTW, anybody else catch Fat Matty Adams now with Team Beach Body calling himself a coach? :cwm2: The guy looks like he swallowed a few beach balls.

    What a joke. And people wonder why we laugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    MLM is FAR from a perfect business. It has some 'issues' to be sure...but, they aren't ALL scams, are they now?!
    No, they all aren't scams. And you're right, it is FAR from a perfect business.

    There are far more productive ways to utilize ones time to generate an income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Nice try.

    Sorry, epic FAIL. Luke Setzer is STILL building an MLM. Team BeachBody.

    Guess that went right over your head, huh Doc?! Open your mind and your eyes.

    Next.:judges:
    My bad.

    Sorry.

    UPDATE: Wow! It is April 11, 2006, and my body fat has dropped to 10.2%!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Bunkum View Post
    My bad.

    Sorry.
    Great on the weight loss Doc. Well done.

    I've dropped about 25 lbs myself since January this year.

    All is one.
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    Re: MLM stats

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Great on the weight loss Doc. Well done.
    Say what?

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    I've dropped about 25 lbs myself since January this year.
    Luke Setzer Team BeachBody your coach?

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    Re: MLM stats

    Even if that description is 9 years old, not much has changed in the world of MLM. Amway, World Ventures, and Rodan and Fields all sound similar.

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