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    Herbert Armstrong and British Israel Truth!

    Herbert Armstrong Got the Word Out About British-Israel!

    Herbert W. Armstrong, author of The United States and Britain in Prophecy, did not claim the British-Israel truth was some special "divine revelation" to him, but Mr. Armstrong acknowledged how he was surprised at the amount of information on this subject in his local library in Oregon and how he GLEANED from it and presented it to us on a silver platter. Some of us appreciate that fact and focus on the message - not on the messengers.

    Some pitiful, petty, nit-picking, easily distracted souls either accuse Herbert W. Armstrong of plagiarism, or of not giving credit to men like J. H. Allen or G. G. Rupert.

    I've posted information on Judah's Sceptre and Joseph's Birthright by John Harden Allen on my many blogs. We wouldn't even know about Mr. J. H. Allen if it weren't for Herbert Armstrong, would we? You would think he could have at least acknowledged a few of the British-Israel giants, but he didn't and life goes on and the truth gets out. Blessed be the God of Israel for restoring our identity to us!

    I remember borrowing Judah's Sceptre and Joseph's Birthright from Carl Fields, a local elder in the Worldwide Church of God congregation in Toledo, Ohio, at one of our regular Bible studies held in the science auditorium of a high school. He didn't hand it to me in a brown paper bag, meet me privately in the parking lot, but handed it to me in public. We knew about Mr. Allen - who didn't? And those who did read his book were even more grateful afterwards for how Mr. Armstrong waded through many such works and presented it in a more clear and concise manner, blessed by his background in journalism. Even A.N. Dugger, the prominent Church of God, Seventh Day, editor of The Bible Advocate whom Mr. Armstrong knew and corresponded with acknowledged: "I have seen no work near its equal in clearness and completeness. You surely are right, and while I cannot use it in the paper at the present you may be assured that your labor has surely not been in vane [sic.]."

    Mr. Armstrong was the one God used - not Allen or Rupert - to restore the identity doctrine to God's Church in a way that no others had. I trust Allen and Rupert (and many others they learned from) would praise God that Mr. Armstrong was able to get the word out! Folks who rightly focus on the message, who recognize the plain truth about British-Israel belongs to God and not to any man or organization, are grateful to God for using Mr. Armstrong mightily to share this truth with MILLIONS worldwide!

    A History and Comparison of the Various Editions of The United States and Britain in Prophecy
    By Herbert W. Armstrong (1892-1986)

    The United States and Britain in Bible Prophecy (United Church of God)

    The United States and Britain in Prophecy (Philadelphia Church of God)

    The United States and Great Britain in Prophecy (Living Church of God)

    United States in Prophecy! (David Ben-Ariel)

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    So, Herbert Armstrong was a delusional asshole also. As well as, a drunk.
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    So, Herbert Armstrong was a delusional asshole also. As well as, a drunk.

    Those who cannot refute, ridicule; cannot debate, defame. Don't shoot the messenger. It backfired on you.

    Now see if you can post anything logical rather than hateful and irrational.

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    Pathans and British-Israelites

    Taliban of Jewish Descent? Experts are Checking
    by Hillel Fendel
    (IsraelNN.com) Experts at the National Institute of Immunohaematology in Mumbai, India believe a large group of Taliban Muslims might be descended of the lost Ten Tribes of Israel – and an Israeli rabbinical expert agrees.
    Israel’s government is partially ******* a genetic study to establish if there is any proof of the link, bringing an Indian expert in DNA profiling and population genetics to the Technion in Haifa. The expert, Shahnaz Ali, will be supervised by Israeli genetic research expert Prof. Karl Skorecki.
    Rabbi Eliyahu Avichayil, who has dedicated his life to seeking out descendants of the Ten Tribes and bringing them to Israel, says he does not need or trust genetic testing for this purpose: “Rashi’s explanation to Jeremiah 31, 20 implies that the way to identify the Ten Lost Tribes will be via the Jewish customs that they maintain – and in this case, there are many of them.”
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    How can they have “Jewish customs” if they’ve lost their identity? The “Lost Ten Tribes of Israel” lost their identity because they lost the seventh daySabbath and festivals and dietary laws. Those who maintain any semblance of “Jewish customs” are more likely either descendants of Jews or converts to Judaism – not Israelites.

    Joseph isn’t Jewish!
    Not All Twelve Tribes of Israel are Jewish?

    The birthmarks of fulfilled biblical prophecies include, as the Sabbath-keeping Church of God groups* and the Jerusalem-based Brit Am Israel organization teaches:

    According to the Bible ten out of the twelve tribes of Israel split away (1 Kings 12:19), formed their own kingdom of “Israel” (1 Kings 12:20) and were exiled by the Assyrians (2 Kings 17:18). They forget their identity (Hosea 1:9, 7:8; Isaiah 49:21) and became the Lost Ten Tribes. In the future they will re-unite with the Jews (Ezekiel 37; Isaiah 11:13; Jeremiah 3:18) of “Judah”, but until then they have a role of their own to fulfill. They were destined to be situated at the continental extremities of the earth such as North America, the British Isles, Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa (Deuteronomy 33:13; Isaiah 24:16, 26:15, 41:8-9, 49:6), to be the richest (Genesis 27:28, 49:25; Deuteronomy 33:13-16; Hosea 2:8), and most powerful (Numbers 24:8-7; Micah 5:7-9) nations on earth and to control major international strategic bases (Genesis 22:16-17, 24:60). All of these points together with numerous others show that descendants of theLost Ten Tribes can only be found amongst Western Nations, especially the English-speaking ones.
    There are exceptions to the rule. The Pathans are believed to be numbered among the Israelites in the East as the British-Israelites are located in the West, Israel in the Isles.

    Israel and Judah Must Get House in Order Before King Messiah Arrives

    *The United States and Britain in Prophecy
    The United States and Britain in Bible Prophecy
    The United States and Great Britain in Prophecy

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    Re: Herbert Armstrong and British Israel Truth!

    Quote Originally Posted by David Ben-Ariel View Post
    Those who cannot refute, ridicule; cannot debate, defame. Don't shoot the messenger. It backfired on you.

    Now see if you can post anything logical rather than hateful and irrational.
    Backfired?....tell me how?? You continue to argue whether your non-facts are better than another religions non-facts.

    You can offer no proof for anything you believe in. Hence, a delusional asshole.
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    Re: Herbert Armstrong and British Israel Truth!

    Genesis 13:13
    But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.


    Yes, the sins of Sodom are prevalent in these United States of America, these prophesied Lands of the Covenant (Artzot Habrit in Hebrew), this biblical inheritance of Manasseh the son of Joseph.

    Christian Reprobates?

    Why were Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed?

    Plea to Diehard Catholics & Protestants to Repent
    Having clearly seen how the practice of homosexuality is a sin (as I testify in God and the Gays), I can now see clearly how SPIRITUAL HOMOSEXUALS, the bloody Roman Catholic whore and her Protestant prostitute daughters (Rev. 17:5), prefer tradition over truth.

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    Joseph isnt' the father of the Jews!

    1,000 Visitors to Joseph's Tomb in Shechem
    by Hillel Fendel
    (IsraelNN.com) The ancient Jewish Biblical sites in Judea and Samaria continue to make headline news. Following the mass entry into Jericho and an ancient synagogue there this week, and after Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu changed his mind and included the Machpelah Cave and Rachel’s Tomb on the new National Heritage Site list, it’s now the turn of Joseph’s Tomb in Shechem (Nablus).

    A tremendous crowd of over 1,000 people from all around Israel made their way to Joseph’s Tomb on Wednesday night, in honor of the Fast of Esther that was to begin several hours later...

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    Joseph isn't Jewish! Joseph is the biblical patriarch of the British-Israelites, the Anglo-Saxon-Celtic peoples, whose mother is Rachel. Our Jewish brethren's mother is Leah and their biblical patriarch is Judah. The Bible makes this distinction clear and so should we.

    Joseph isn't Jewish!
    My sojourn at Kibbutz Ramat Yohanan, where I served as a kibbutz volunteer for five months in 1982-1983, blessed me with memories to cherish a lifetime.

    Not All Twelve Tribes of Israel are Jewish?
    Some, in clear contradiction of the Holy Bible, pretend that all Twelve Tribes of Israel are Jewish. Such woefully ignorant or deceptive people deny the biblical distinctions between the 12 Tribes and pretend there's only one tribe: Judah.

    Israel and Judah Must Get House in Order Before King Messiah Arrives

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    Re: Herbert Armstrong and British Israel Truth!

    Quote Originally Posted by David Ben-Ariel View Post
    Those who cannot refute, ridicule; cannot debate, defame. Don't shoot the messenger. It backfired on you.

    Now see if you can post anything logical rather than hateful and irrational.
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    Thanks Hot.

    Game, Set and Match. David Been-Anal you have been factually refuted....AGAIN.
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    Thanks Hot.

    Game, Set and Match. David Been-Anal you have been factually refuted....AGAIN.
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    It's sad some resort to losers like Rick Ross, a traditional Christian cultist, since neither he nor they can refute the plain truth of the Bible that Herbert Armstrong taught and others dare to share.

    Let's keep it simple, since those who fall for Rick Ross are sheeple:

    For example -

    What part of the seventh day Sabbath we're told to remember to keep holy don't you get? Where does the Bible now command folks to keep the first day of the week? Hint: nowhere!

    Roman Catholic and Protestant Confessions about Sunday

    And why does cultist Rick Ross and other traditional sheeple bleat about going to Heaven, refusing to believe the plain truth of Yahshua who said, "the meek shall inherit the Earth"?

    British-Israelism Utterly Refuted....REFUTED!
    BY The British-Israel Church of God

    In addition to my argument section in my Book The USA & British in Prophecy. We have notice some various website with their detailed refutation of the doctrine of British-Israelism (The doctrine that the Anglo-Saxon and Celtic related peoples are the lost ten tribes of Israel). On this web page we will refute any of these claims that it is a false doctrine, or that it is cultic and or racist in any way.

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    Re: Herbert Armstrong and British Israel Truth!

    Quote Originally Posted by LogicallyYours View Post
    you have been factually refuted....AGAIN.
    I hope you're really not that simple.

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    Herbert Armstrong: Pedophile?

    Incest And Inspiration
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    Revelation Revealed At Last!
    Also Known As:
    The Missing Dimension In Child Rape

    By The Watcher

    According to the most recently revealed information, Herbert Armstrong, when confronted by his angry son Garner Ted in 1978, admitted before many witnesses not merely to committing repeated acts of incest with his daughter Dorothy from 1936 to 1946. We are now learning that Herbert also admitted to gradually escalating his sexual involvement with her in the previous three years from 1933 to 1936, when she would have been between 13 to 16 years old.

    The thought that the man who claimed to be the End-Time Apostle of God could have been capable of a single such act - let alone 13 years of them - would have been inconceivable to any of us who so enthusiastically swallowed all his wild claims. Most readers of this Web site now know better. But we also know there are still scores of thousands of people out there who remain influenced, wholly or in part, by the false teachers of that foul, contemptible old man.

    The Watcher has found most extraordinary the way in which current members of outfits like Roderick Meredith's Global Church of God, or the United Churches of God, will even admit that Herbert did indeed commit sexual acts with his daughter. Yet these same people with their very next breath continue to claim he was a "true, called servant of God."

    Psychiatrists can, no doubt, give a lot of explanations for the mental mechanisms at work here.

    Even Jack Kessler, in his classic 1981 resignation letter included on this Web site said that, at that time, he still believed that God had called Herbert Armstrong to be His End Time servant. Mr. Kessler wrote that he and all other called members of the Worldwide Church of God were required by the Almighty to obey Herbert, even though by that point he knew Herbert to be guilty of sex perversions, gross financial dishonesty and many other crimes, as well as incest.

    In other words, Herbert had brainwashed the lot of us to swallow his bunkum and imagine that God was working through him and him alone.

    None of us imagined that the man we believed carrying out such a "wonderful" work could have been capable of such monstrous conduct.

    What the scores of thousands of former victims of Herbert STILL need to realize is that the supposed "truths" he taught were the INEVITABLE OUTCOME of the "spiritual" teachings and "divine authority" he claimed to embody.

    A social worker friend of The Watcher's has worked for many years in the appalling field of rescuing children from sexual abuse by their own parents, teachers and religious pastors. Listening to her stories has been quite an education.

    Social services charged with the protection of children, like the Federal Bureau of Investigation, work with personality profiles to help them recognize patterns of abusive and dangerous conduct. The Watcher's friend told him that one of the most common psychological models is the one that links the sexual abuse of children to the onset of religious mania in the parent or authority figure.

    This kind of thing is far more common than almost anyone realizes. The American and Irish Catholic Churches have been rocked by documented examples of such abuse by priests, up to the rank of serving bishops.

    The Watcher's friend told him that incest, child rape and brutal beatings also are far more common in small, extreme fundamentalist Protestant sects. When The Watcher was referred to Jewish social workers in East Coast cities, he found that ultra-Orthodox Jewish circles also suffered from this problem but, like their Catholic and Protestant counterparts, they tried to sweep it under the carpet.

    At least the mainstream Christian and Jewish faiths do not recommend such behavior. But in the Shi'ite Iranian offspring of Islam, men are specifically encouraged to marry young girls before the age of puberty and have full sexual relations with them.

    The late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the mastermind of Iran's 1979 radical Islamic Revolution was a public and enthusiastic champion of such conduct in his "religious" teachings and practiced what he preached. He married his wife of 60 years when she was nine years old.

    Goodness! But as Mae West used to say, "Goodness has nothing to do with it, dearie."

    And so, back to Herbert.

    Let us note, again, that the very years he was cautiously escalating his abuse of his daughter - step by step - during her early teenage years, were the very years that he was also launching his "World Tomorrow" radio broadcast. He started the radio broadcast on Jan. 7, 1934 (Christmas Day according to the Eastern Orthodox Christian calendar, though he never realized it in 52 years of celebrating that date to his own glory).

    Early in 1934, Herbert also launched the "Plain Truth", his mimeographed answer to "Time" magazine. He also made his first false calculations as to when Christ would return. He concluded that would be in the year 1936.

    In other words, Herbert was in a state of increased religious mania during that 1933/4-1936 period.

    Was he heated up to that mania by his sexual desire to abuse his own daughter? Or was it his growing, crazed conviction that "God" really had called him to "do a unique work" that led him to believe that, as the favored and most loved "son" of God, all things were permitted to him? After all, when he told his daughter, "God gave you to me," that was just an extension of the language he was already using to describe his personal, supposedly crucial role in the Divine order of the Universe.

    Readers of this web site should already be familiar with the insight-filled biographical sketch of Herbert by Douglas , and with the extremely valuable psychological profile by William Meyer. These works clearly establish that Herbert Armstrong was literally, clinically mad.

    Herbert's always unstable and fragile ego, his inherent manic-depressive tendencies and his repeatedly documented business failures and utter incompetence in the business world all led, as Bill Meyer acutely discerned, to a total mental collapse in late 1926.

    By 1933, Herbert was in turmoil again. He had crawled and connived to become a minister in the Church of God, Seventh Day. But he was transparently ambitious and obviously obsessed with ludicrous and heretical ideas.

    He was making repeated efforts to introduce ludicrous, crackpot ideas which were not even his own but had been stolen from the likes of Joseph Allen (British Israelism) and G.G. Rupert (Jewish holidays as embodying the Christian plan of salvation, Sabbath keeping and only eating ritually clean meats). As a result, by the fall of 1933, Herbert - as he even admitted (in a manner of speaking) in his autobiography - was again in the humiliating position of being rightly despised and distrusted by most of his colleagues.

    Yet suddenly, the opportunity of radio broadcasting opened up! And right after that, he had the opportunity to fulfil another long-cherished dream and childishly produce his own "dream" magazine on a mimeograph. From the depths of humiliation, Herbert was suddenly catapulted into the heights of achievement, at least in his own imagination. From being in the depths of humiliating despair, he would now have swung, as manic-depressives do, into manic exultation.

    Two consequences would have rapidly followed this transformation. First, one new idea after another - all of them crazed - would have flowed from his overheating mind down into his fluent and facile pen. And, as manic-depressives also do, he would have increasingly thrown caution to the winds in another area, the expression of his darkest erotic dreams and frustrations.

    Modern American history is full of examples of charismatic, psychologically unstable, indeed-crazed individuals who create religious followings by identifying themselves with some Biblical or sacred figure, and who then immediate abuse this immense power by using it to indulge extreme and bizarre sexual desires. There was Charles Manson and his "family"; L. Ron Hubbard and his Scientologists; Jim Jones and his People's Temple cultists in Jonestown, Guyana; and David Koresh at Waco, Texas. Herbert fittingly belongs in such company.

    The pattern is also a very ancient one. Egyptologists were astounded to discover that Pharoah Akhnaton of Egypt's 18th Dynasty in the Late Bronze Age - long acclaimed for introducing a radical form of religious monotheism (worship of a single god) - had married his own mother, Queen Tiy. He even had children by her and sexually abused at least one of his own daughters. The king boastfully recorded all these activities in hieroglyphic writings on his own monuments.

    Akhnaton's crazed state of mind was identical to Herbert's. He regarded himself as a divinely chosen and appointed servant of the one, great god. He claimed to be living in ma'at, cosmic truth. We all recall Herbert's obsession that he was always restoring and unveiling "NEW TRUTHS, BRETHREN!"

    Akhnaton, like Herbert, was a manic builder, obsessed with raising new cities and new temples to his own glory. Shades of the Ambassador Auditorium! Like Herbert, he stole religious writings from anywhere he could lay his hands on them. His famous "Hymn to the Aten" (his Solar-disk god) is lifted straight from Psalm 104 in the Hebrew Bible, scholars have discovered.

    Also like Herbert, Akhnaton was a physically contemptible wimp with no shoulders or chest to speak of and a protruding stomach. Like Herbert, he spent money like water and ruined his own country. And like Herbert, his wild and radical religious innovations were completely discredited right after his death. Like Herbert, however, his myth has attracted gullible fools over the years.

    Akhnaton was the father of the legendary Tutankhamen, who was the Joe Tkach, Snr. of ancient Egypt. Like Old Joe, he immediately dumped the crackpot religious claims of his predecessor as soon as he took power. That's what explains Tut's wild popularity and the sumptuous funeral he received, even though he died young.

    But King Tut was also like Garner Ted Armstrong in that he experienced first hand the warping effects of being the son of a religiously-crazed old pervert. He was married to his half-sister Ankhesenpaaten, but their father Akhnaton insisted on "enjoying" his daughter first. She had a baby girl by her own father who died quickly after her birth.

    In case all this sounds too wild, The Watcher refers his readers to published studies on Akhnaton by H. Brunner and Charles Desroches Noblecourt.

    As another writer dryly pointed out, "The discovery of this fact concerning Akhnaton's daughter diminished the choir of acclaim that was heard in scientific, lay and religious circles whenever the name of the great reformer and monotheist was pronounced." (I. Velikovsky - "Oedipus and Akhnaton")

    In conclusion, we can see that the idiots who quote "The David Defense" to excuse Herbert have everything back to front, just like the twisted old bastard himself.

    Herbert's incest cannot be ignored or excused because he was "used by God to reveal so many new truths."

    Herbert was NEVER USED BY GOD AT ALL. All the "new truths" he claimed to "reveal" were either crackpot lies, or stolen in their entirety from dead men without the slightest acknowledgement.

    Herbert's incest was NOT some unfortunate human weakness in a divinely approved servant. It was the CENTRAL DRIVING FORCE that inspired all his "revelations."

    And once Herbert had gone all the way with his daughter Dorothy, he knew himself he had passed the point of no return. As Douglas so shrewdly observed, 40 years later, speaking in his Last Great Day address in October 1978, Herbert actually admitted that "if I wasn't the Apostle, I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for my chances of salvation."

    At that time, no-one except daughter Dorothy and son Garner Ted knew what he was referring to. None of us would have dreamed of it. But we know better now, don't we? Indeed we do.

    Herbert HAD TO BELIEVE he was the End-Time Apostle. Because IF HE WAS NOT, THEN HE KNEW HE WAS CERTAINLY DAMNED TO HELL AND DESTRUCTION.

    So, Herbert's incest was not some tragic, mysterious weakness that should not attract from his teachings. HIS INCEST DIRECTLY INSPIRED HIS TEACHINGS.

    Singles sad and dumb enough to read and believe "The Missing Dimension in Sex" book in the 1950s and 60s (earlier title, "God Speaks Out About the New Morality") will remember that Herbert was particularly obsessed about the evils of masturbation. We now know he practiced it intensely into his 80s, as his son approaching 70 still does in front of prostitutes.

    He was even more obsessed with condemning teenagers or adult singles from as much as touching the finger of their (single) girl friends. This, from a man who routinely and unrepentantly practiced the most repulsive and unimaginable forms of sexual child abuse imaginable.

    Why was he so obsessed about the harmless act of touching one's boy, or girl, friend?

    That must have been how he started out abusing his own daughter. A touch here and a touch there, slowly escalating his crimes over the years, always pushing the envelope, always trying to see how much further he could go.

    There are no extenuating circumstances there. If the harsh, literal Old Testament law he endlessly preached was practiced in society the way he always shrieked it should be, Herbert W. Armstrong should have been doused with petroleum and the match thrown.

    He earned nothing less.
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    National captivity was instrumental in the Northern Kingdom of Israel becoming known as the "Lost Ten Tribes," and soon national captivity will help restore our Israelite identity since the Two Witnesses in Jerusalem will remind their captive audience that the Israelites were to be conquered just before King Messiah comes and saves us.

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    Some indulge in spreading sexual rumors about Herbert W. Armstrong, attacking the messenger since they can't refute the plain truth of the Bible he courageously taught.

    Those who are guilty of gossiping about Herbert W. Armstrong will have "hell" to pay, if they remain unrepentant. Those guilty of spreading dirt must answer: Do you believe everything you hear or read? If it were true, why wasn't Mr. Armstrong ever indicted or convicted for it? Those are some serious accusations.

    15 Accusations and Truthful Responses about Herbert W. Armstrong

    Those who truly are Christians understand that the Christian thing to do, especially in light of the fact that the worst accusations against Herbert W. Armstrong would be thrown out of court, dismissed for lack of evidence, is to give Herbert W. Armstrong the benefit of the doubt, as we would want, knowing we're to love our neighbor as ourselves, and trust that if and wherever sin MIGHT have occurred, Mr. Armstrong repented of it and rest assured that the blood of Christ is more than sufficient to cover him.

    It becomes clear that Satan is the accuser of the brethren and stirs up hateful individuals who can't refute the truth of what Mr. Armstrong taught so they engage in diversionary tactics and attack the messenger. We're not ignorant of such demonic devices.

    Romans 8:1

    There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus...

    Romans 8:33-34

    Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

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    15 Accusations and Truthful Responses about Herbert W. Armstrong
    by Robert J. Thiel

    Accusation No. 4: HWA was guilty of gross sexual impropriety.

    After reviewing the details of one particular allegation regarding sex and what I uncovered, Dixon Cartwright, The Journal's publisher, asked me to remove them from this article because of the lack of proof and because certain parties are not alive to defend themselves and because The Journal is a family publication.

    Various versions of this accusation are extant, most of which seem to be based on a chapter of David Robinson's 1980 book Herbert W. Armstrong's Tangled Web. (A version of the accusations appears in Tuit's book as well.)

    I investigated four allegations related to this specific accusation and concluded that unless certain alleged audiotapes (which have never been made public, and I requested them and even spoke to one who had claimed to hear them--he finally admitted to me that he actually had not) surface (and I made diligent inquiry to attempt to find them, including dozens of phone calls, plus E-mails through late February 2003, and even later after this article was originally published), the accusations are not provable and aspects of the accusations are indeed disprovable.

    Perhaps I should mention that since one aspect of these accusations is common attributed to a comment supposedly made by HWA's son Garner Ted Armstrong (GTA) concerning his dad and another relative. I personally called Garner Ted Armstrong's office on Dec. 12, 2002 to inquire about this particular accusation. I was not able to speak with GTA directly, but a key employee of the Garner Ted Armstrong Evangelistic Association discussed it with him and got back with me. Through his spokesperson, GTA declined to comment except to pass on the message that "everything you really need to know about my father is contained within the autobiography." Thus GTA did not stand by a statement attributed to him on this matter--so how can any believe this?

    In his Tangled Web book, the late D. Robinson wrote that "like the Wizard of Oz, Herbert Armstrong is operating on image. When his hand is called, there is no substance there. Like the Wizard, he is just a lot of bluster."

    Based on my experience in trying to track down credible sources for this accusation, all I find--including a whole chapter in Robinson's book--is "just a lot of bluster." Actually, it appears to me that no one who has made or repeated most of the accusations against HWA actually has any real proof for most of them--no one seems to have checked with either the primary (those involved) or secondary sources (those with proof), but instead relied on accusation and rumor--simply stating a false charge does not make it true, no matter how many times it may be repeated.

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