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    unlimited energy from ordinary tap water

    Is it possible that there could be a technology for low voltage electrolysis of water where in a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gas is produced having latent energy 4 to 12 times greater than the electrical energy consumed to produce the gas?

    link to file relating work done by an obscure Russian scientist and other information:

    http://www.rimkor7.com/ck1.pdf
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    Re: unlimited energy from ordinary tap water

    Quote Originally Posted by tungs10 View Post
    Is it possible that there could be a technology for low voltage electrolysis of water where in a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gas is produced having latent energy 4 to 12 times greater than the electrical energy consumed to produce the gas?
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    Re: unlimited energy from ordinary tap water

    Quote Originally Posted by iamwil View Post
    some sort of laws apply to that kind of stuff don't they?
    Only in the US.

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    Re: unlimited energy from ordinary tap water

    Quote Originally Posted by tungs10 View Post
    Is it possible that there could be a technology for low voltage electrolysis of water where in a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gas is produced having latent energy 4 to 12 times greater than the electrical energy consumed to produce the gas?

    link to file relating work done by an obscure Russian scientist and other information:

    http://www.rimkor7.com/ck1.pdf
    Ok, slightly longer answer.


    Basically, their energy calculations are wrong. Check out

    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu.../electrol.html

    for the correct way to work out the energy transformations.

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    Re: unlimited energy from ordinary tap water

    As I was verifying the numbers, It did occur to me that enthalpy is not the same as Gibb's free energy. In doing my own verification of their math, I used enthalpy only because:
    1. The numbers agreed when I did it.
    2. Even if you take entropy into account, it does not explain discrepancy.
    3. If the whole thing is a hoax, it doesn't really matter anyway.
    My thought is that these runs are for a rather short period of time. They probably use KOH as an electolyte. If they use mild steel for electrodes, they are probably badly corroded after 30 minutes. This experiment is probably a lot messier than they let on. The excess latent energy actually involves less than 300-500mg of gas. Maybe it is a reaction from the distintegration of the steel. I would tell Karanev, try using 316 stainless, run the cell for an hour or so till its characteristics stabilize, then run the test.

    A perpetual motion machine that corrodes out after 30 minutes isn't very perpetual.
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    Re: unlimited energy from ordinary tap water

    Quote Originally Posted by tungs10 View Post
    As I was verifying the numbers, It did occur to me that enthalpy is not the same as Gibb's free energy. In doing my own verification of their math, I used enthalpy only because:

    1. The numbers agreed when I did it.
    2. Even if you take entropy into account, it does not explain discrepancy.
    3. If the whole thing is a hoax, it doesn't really matter anyway.
    You're more thorough than I am, then. I didn't check the numbers myself (mostly because, even though I'm a physicist, I hate thermodynamics and can't remember the differences between enthalpy, entropy, Gibbs and Helmholtz etc... without looking them up).

    Given how commonly electrolysis is used, I'm quite certain this is either a hoax, or just an innocent misunderstanding.

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