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    How to pay for health care

    Just take 10% off the military. That easily pays the cost for the new bill.

    Cool.

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    uh, no. the expense of the military is paying people who volunteered to go out in all kinds of bad weather and risk their lives so you can sit there smoking dope and not worry. china isn't cutting back. russia isn't. they are planning on war. what are you planning? surrender?

    if you want to cut something, start with the overpaid socialist professors. trim 10% off all government pay and cancel all those socialist programs that were nice but we just can't afford anymore. like headstart. there is no mission for the federal department of education. its a state and local thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mumbles View Post
    uh, no. the expense of the military is paying people who volunteered to go out in all kinds of bad weather and risk their lives so you can sit there smoking dope and not worry. china isn't cutting back. russia isn't
    Did you know that when you add both China and Russia's "defense" spending together, it isn't even one-third of what the U.S. spends?

    Add NATO to the mix and we spend well over four times the amount.

    And you can't spare a measly 10%?

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    headstart was a 1960's program. people guessed that poor blacks couldn't read well because their momma couldn't read. the idea was to put the kids in a better enviroment, instead of playing mud pies with other stupid kids. this isn't the 1960's anymore. mammy can read. its just a free baby-sitter so mammy can go back to bed after staying up all night drinking wid da baby daddy. there is no lasting effect on education: a few years later its impossible to tell which children went to headstart and which didn't.

    its da baby daddy and the baby momma supposed to care that their chilluns learns ta read.

    we do spend money protecting large areas of the world that cannot defend themselves. europe would just be a provinces of USSR if we didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamwil View Post
    Oh and Russia ran out of money, the wall came down..the commies lost...
    Mumbles has a hard time letting go of the Cold War.

    Russia... *sniff*... was everything he wanted in an enemy...

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    Re: How to pay for health care

    we pay people better than china. we spend money on expensive high tech weapons, so one of our guys can easily kill 100 of theirs, before lunch. we don't use the old human wave, storm the trenches strategy, which is why you haven't been drafted.

    most of those same senators there now, were there when these budgets were approved. if they are all wrong why are they re-elected over and over?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar...ublic_of_China

    (in short, china lies about what they spend and they have no free press to criticize. whatever dear leader says is always the truth.)

    they plan to take taiwan. we have a treaty that says we will protect the freedom and independence of taiwan. promises made mean nothing to you?

    promises kept means we have spyplanes, aircraft carriers and nuke submarines patroling the world at all times. enemies attack weakness, not strength.

    now, how about potheads spend 10% less on drugs and use that money for healthcare?
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    rumsfeld said they lied and he had access to all info.

    the department of education doesn't educate anybody. local school districts pay teachers from property taxes.

    http://www.ed.gov/

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    Re: How to pay for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by mumbles View Post
    now, how about potheads spend 10% less on drugs and use that money for healthcare?
    I looked for some numbers mumbles and found this. The years are a little out of date. I'll try to find some more recent figures, but until then...
    norml.org -- II. Establishing the Value of Marijuana

    Executive Summary

    ... Government crop yield estimates place the value of these 8.7 million harvested plants at approximately $26.3 billion to growers and a street value of $43.8 billion. The report based its findings on Drug Enforcement Administration marijuana eradication statistics, a survey of state police eradication results, and marijuana price reports published in High Times Magazine. NORML published previous reports documenting marijuana's national market value between 1982 and 1992.

    So even if we take the street value of $43.8 billion, 10% of that is $4.4 billion, less than 5% of the money needed to fund health care.

    Nice try though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamwil View Post
    How much is that compared to the dollars we spend on the drug war? Eliminating the drug war...legalizing pot and taxing it would help eh?
    $45 billion spent so far this year.

    http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by mumbles View Post
    uh, no. the expense of the military is paying people who volunteered to go out in all kinds of bad weather and risk their lives so you can sit there smoking dope and not worry. china isn't cutting back. russia isn't. they are planning on war. what are you planning? surrender?

    if you want to cut something, start with the overpaid socialist professors. trim 10% off all government pay and cancel all those socialist programs that were nice but we just can't afford anymore. like headstart. there is no mission for the federal department of education. its a state and local thing.
    Bingo. get rid of all unions too. Or, keep em and get rid of the NLRB/OSHA and other union lackey administrations.
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    Gonna have to side with IAW on the pot thing. As for any figures posted by any government entity on street values of any drug, grossly over rated.
    Their figures would have ya believe a Z of pot had a street value of $1,000.
    But, I quit 25 years ago, maybe it is that high now.
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    it happens sometimes.
    As for the OSHA point, last time I checked nobody was FORCING anybody to work anywhere.
    Don't like the conditions?? Find another job or start your own company.
    I've seen OSHA over reach many times in my 28 years in the machine tool bus.
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    They FORCED you to do this???
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    Re: How to pay for health care

    Quote Originally Posted by iamwil View Post
    How much is that compared to the dollars we spend on the drug war? Eliminating the drug war...legalizing pot and taxing it would help eh?

    Look what Colorado is doing!

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...TRkdwD9C1V8UO0

    Colo. medical pot suppliers will have to pay taxes
    By STEVEN K. PAULSON (AP) – 1 day ago
    DENVER — Colorado is gearing up to officially tax and regulate medical marijuana dispensaries, a move lawmakers say amounts to legal recognition of a growing industry.
    The state Attorney General John Suthers concluded in an opinion issued Monday that medical marijuana is considered personal property that can be taxed and shouldn't be treated like prescription drugs, which are tax exempt.
    The move would make Colorado the latest provincial government to tax marijuana for medical use, after voters in California adopted a similar program when the use was legalized in 1996. Cities such as Denver and Oakland, Calif., also plan to levy municipal taxes on local cannabis dispensaries.
    Colorado Sen. Chris Romer, D-Denver, said he plans to introduce legislation in January that would require dispensaries to buy licenses, as well as pay the state's 2.9 percent sales tax. He estimates the state could collect up to $15 million a year on the sales, and communities could collect an additional $45 million a year through city and county taxes.
    Revenue department spokesman Mark Couch said the state has no official estimate but added that California collected $11.4 million on sales of $142 million in 2006. A bill to tax and regulate all marijuana use in California like alcohol would generate nearly $1.4 billion in revenue, according to an analysis released in July by tax officials.
    Couch said the revenue agency recently surveyed about 60 dispensaries and found half of them already had sales tax licenses and were paying taxes because they sold other products, but that not all of those were paying taxes on marijuana sales. With the backing of Suthers' opinion, he said the department will begin collecting taxes on all medical marijuana sales immediately.
    "This is not a new tax, it's just an existing tax being applied to a new product," Couch said.
    Denver plans to notify dispensaries that it will start collecting municipal sales tax starting in December.
    Romer said licensing and collecting taxes are signs that the industry is going mainstream and it's time for regulation. Colorado voters approved medical marijuana in 2000 but rejected a measure to legalize recreational marijuana in 2006.
    "This will make medical marijuana a mainstream business. Not recreational marijuana, medical marijuana," he said.
    Marijuana support groups welcomed Colorado's decision limited to medical marijuana and called it a validation of their legal rights.
    Sean McAllister, chairman of the board of Sensible Colorado, a group that promotes medical marijuana use, said dispensaries were expecting Suthers' opinion.
    "This is not a black-market industry, it's a legitimate industry so it should be taxed like everything else," he said.
    The group's executive director, Brian Vicente, estimated that 90 percent of the state's dispensaries are already paying state and local taxes though most have not registered as dispensaries.
    Many dispensaries, which aren't regulated by the state now, have registered as wellness centers and alternative health clinics, he said.
    Vicente said the state could bring in another $12 million by charging for annual licenses and imposing other fees similar to those charged on tobacco sales.
    While other industries may look for breaks, Vicente said paying taxes helps give dispensary owners more legitimacy and protection from possible raids.
    "I think the state has less incentive to shut these wellness centers down when they receive so much tax revenue from their existence," Vicente said.
    Bruce Mirken, spokesman for a marijuana advocacy group, the Marijuana Policy Project in Washington, said it's better for government to have control of the process and regulate marijuana use than to have a rogue industry taking advantage of new laws, inviting crackdowns by law enforcement.
    "This shows that medical sales are in fact possible," he said.
    State Sen. Greg Brophy, R-Wray, said taxing marijuana dispensaries amounts to defacto legislation of marijuana use for recreational users, as well as medical users.
    He said the industry needs further regulation to ensure patients get the drugs they need and aren't abusing them, but lawmakers also need to honor the voters' wishes.
    "It's going to be hard to do, but we have to get it right," Brophy said.
    Associated Press writers Colleen Slevin, Ivan Moreno and Kristen Wyatt also contributed to this report.
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