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    Multiple gun jackasses.

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm

    When it finally hit the hard radius bone, it was traveling about 1,000 feet per second. Dr. Martin Fackler, President of the International Wound Ballistics Association, fired a round identical to Oswald's bullet through a human wrist at 1,100 feet per second.


    Why look! It looks like 399! Explain this test oh conspiracy jackasses!

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    Re: Multiple gun jackasses.

    Catchy slogan for a business card actually, dannypooh.
    Last edited by put it out there baby; 10-23-2009 at 08:03 AM.

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    Re: Multiple gun jackasses.

    Quote Originally Posted by put it out there baby View Post
    Catchy slogan for a business card actually, dannypooh.

    One of the most eminent authorities on the subject, former Secret Service chief U.E. Baughman, who headed that agency from 1948 to 1961, has publicly taken issue, in several newspaper interviews, with the lack of adequate precautions which is so painfully apparent in the Dallas tragedy.
    A UPI dispatch from Washington, dated December 8, 1963 quoted Mr. Baughman as saying that "there are a lot of things' to be explained" concerning the assassination.
    He asked, assuming that the shots did come from the sixth-floor window of that building, why the Secret Service didn't immediately pepper that -window with machine gun fire?
    This is one of the most obvious - and least asked - of all "unanswered questions" about the Kennedy murder. Why, indeed, was all the shooting done only by one side - that of the assassins?
    There were dozens of Secret Service men on the scene, all former FBI agents and tested marksmen, quick on the trigger and with their service guns and submachine guns at the ready - to say nothing of the hundreds of Dallas policemen who were also present when the President died in a hail of bullets. And not a single shot was fired by any of these alert guardians of the law!
    Had the Secret Service men reacted as Baugham says they should have, by instantly 'peppering' the TSBD window with machine gun fire, the sniper crouching behind that window would certainly not have been able to get off a second or third shot, as the Commission says he did.

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    Re: Multiple gun jackasses.

    Quote Originally Posted by theme View Post
    One of the most eminent authorities on the subject, former Secret Service chief U.E. Baughman, who headed that agency from 1948 to 1961, has publicly taken issue, in several newspaper interviews, with the lack of adequate precautions which is so painfully apparent in the Dallas tragedy.
    A UPI dispatch from Washington, dated December 8, 1963 quoted Mr. Baughman as saying that "there are a lot of things' to be explained" concerning the assassination.
    He asked, assuming that the shots did come from the sixth-floor window of that building, why the Secret Service didn't immediately pepper that -window with machine gun fire?
    This is one of the most obvious - and least asked - of all "unanswered questions" about the Kennedy murder. Why, indeed, was all the shooting done only by one side - that of the assassins?
    There were dozens of Secret Service men on the scene, all former FBI agents and tested marksmen, quick on the trigger and with their service guns and submachine guns at the ready - to say nothing of the hundreds of Dallas policemen who were also present when the President died in a hail of bullets. And not a single shot was fired by any of these alert guardians of the law!
    Had the Secret Service men reacted as Baugham says they should have, by instantly 'peppering' the TSBD window with machine gun fire, the sniper crouching behind that window would certainly not have been able to get off a second or third shot, as the Commission says he did.

    He says it himself " assuming " that the shots came from the corner window in the sixth floor.

    Yes I suppose if anyone had immediately identified THAT window as the source of the shots the SS could have returned fire. Lets ignore for a moment that they seldom return fire on crowded streets , such as the attempting assassination of Ronald Reagan.

    The fact is however the TSBD building is a large building and although the majority of all witnesses in Dealey heard the shots coming from the TSBD few or none could identify a specific window. This includes the agents.

    All of witnesses were looking at Kennedy or in the case of some agents looking ALL around trying to locate the source. The direction the shots came from is based on EARwitnesses. And although this led to the TSBD it did not lead immediately to a specific spot in the building.

    Even the secret service cannot open fire without a clear target. Yes they protect the president but they are still law enforcement officers and have other responsibilities such as to protect innocent lives. Even a Secret Service agent is not excused from causing collateral casualties which is why they seldom fire their weapons outside of a range.

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    So now you are more informed than the previous head of the United States Secret Service?

    Regarding the Reagan attempt; look at the film and see how they react. That is the point. Guns were drawn and the potus was taken away from the danger- - just like LBJ was.:rasta:

    (10) Joachim Joesten, The Dark Side of Lyndon Baines Johnson (1968)



    He (H. L. Hunt) was shocked because Johnson had appointed Chief Justice
    Warren to head the Commission three days after the Communist Daily Worker, in a front-page statement, had suggested it. That Johnson did not follow this advice in order to accommodate the Communists, but for a truly Machiavellian purpose, was something bound to escape the limited intellect of an H. L. Hunt.
    Hunt was scared to death, and for apparently good reason, for Earl Warren had, immediately after the assassination, publicly expressed the opinion that this foul deed was the work of right-wing extremists. His anxiety grew when investigators for the Warren Commission found out that one of his boys, Nelson, had paid for that despicable ad in The Dallas Morning News, while another, Lamar, maintained a cozy business and social relationship with the notorious pimp and murderer Jack Ruby.
    What the old man didn't realize is that the Commission, in this as in a score of other cases, simply sought to establish the damaging facts in order to be better able to suppress them and to shield effectively those responsible for the assassination. How Lyndon B. Johnson ever managed to get a man like Earl Warren so abjectly to prostitute his great name and prestige, remains the only real mystery of Dallas. But he did it and thus managed to fool, at least for a few years, public opinion throughout America and the world.
    After the Warren Report had been released, Hunt heaved a deep sigh of relief. When reporters asked him how he felt about it, Hunt replied, 'It's a very honest document.' And that, coming from H. L. Hunt, is about the most damning thing anybody has ever said about the Warren Report.
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    Re: Multiple gun jackasses.

    Quote Originally Posted by theme View Post
    So now you are more informed than the previous head of the United States Secret Service?

    Regarding the Reagan attempt; look at the film and see how they react. That is the point. Guns were drawn and the potus was taken away from the danger- - just like LBJ was.:rasta:

    (10) Joachim Joesten, The Dark Side of Lyndon Baines Johnson (1968)


    He (H. L. Hunt) was shocked because Johnson had appointed Chief Justice
    Warren to head the Commission three days after the Communist Daily Worker, in a front-page statement, had suggested it. That Johnson did not follow this advice in order to accommodate the Communists, but for a truly Machiavellian purpose, was something bound to escape the limited intellect of an H. L. Hunt.
    Hunt was scared to death, and for apparently good reason, for Earl Warren had, immediately after the assassination, publicly expressed the opinion that this foul deed was the work of right-wing extremists. His anxiety grew when investigators for the Warren Commission found out that one of his boys, Nelson, had paid for that despicable ad in The Dallas Morning News, while another, Lamar, maintained a cozy business and social relationship with the notorious pimp and murderer Jack Ruby.
    What the old man didn't realize is that the Commission, in this as in a score of other cases, simply sought to establish the damaging facts in order to be better able to suppress them and to shield effectively those responsible for the assassination. How Lyndon B. Johnson ever managed to get a man like Earl Warren so abjectly to prostitute his great name and prestige, remains the only real mystery of Dallas. But he did it and thus managed to fool, at least for a few years, public opinion throughout America and the world.
    After the Warren Report had been released, Hunt heaved a deep sigh of relief. When reporters asked him how he felt about it, Hunt replied, 'It's a very honest document.' And that, coming from H. L. Hunt, is about the most damning thing anybody has ever said about the Warren Report.
    They did not spray bullets or even fire one shot in return as you suggest they should have.

    You have backpedaled now stating that they should have drawn their weapons when at first you implied they should have opened up on the TSBD.

    The rest of the stuff from Johensen is hearsay opinion.

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