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    H1N1 Vaccine, avoid at all costs

    People, if you value life don't get the vaccine. AT the clinic where I work we just got the regular flu shot (several schools closed in the area because it was so wide spread) some of the nurses were discussing how many were needed for the staff. Now the doc and I have discussed this at great length and we are of the same mind. He told them, what he knew for sure was that there were 2 people in the clinic who were NOT going to take the vaccine, me and himself.

    We don't even want to think about this H1N1 vaccine. Death is irreversable.

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    Good Morning,
    My sister Kim just called... for those of you that don’t know she is an RN in the ER at Baptist.
    They had a meeting this morning on the H1N1 vaccination, and the doctors at Baptist
    are advising that their staff and patients NOT get this vaccination.
    They have had several reports of people getting Guillain-Barre Syndrome.
    They are also concerned about how fast this vaccination has been developed and the lack of testing
    that has been done concerning this vaccine. One nurse at Baptist has a son that took the vaccination
    and has developed Guillain-Barres.

    (Guillain-Barre syndrome is a disorder in which the body's immune system attacks part of the peripheral nervous system.
    The first symptoms of this disorder include varying degrees of weakness or tingling sensations in the legs.
    In many instances the weakness and abnormal sensations spread to the arms and upper body. These symptoms can
    increase in intensity until certain muscles cannot be used at all, and, when severe, the patient is almost totally paralyzed.
    In these cases the disorder is life threatening, potentially interfering with breathing, and, at times, with blood pressure or
    heart rate ... and is considered a medical emergency. Such a patient is often put on a respirator to assist with breathing
    and is watched closely for problems such as an abnormal heart beat, infections, blood clots, and high or low blood pressure.
    Most patients, however, recover from even the most severe cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome, although some continue to
    have a certain degree of weakness. ) You can read more about it at www.ninds.nih.gov .

    She also said, of course you should ask your doctor about it if you have any questions.

    Just thought I would pass this info along.

    Have a wonderful week,
    D


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    Re: H1N1 Vaccine, avoid at all costs

    message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=51285

    If you read through the thread you'll find links like this, cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/gbs_qa.htm.

    A small increase in GBS cases in the US was shown after the swine flu vaccinations in 1976. It appears that even regular seasonal flu vaccinations may also show a increased risk.
    What is Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS)?
    Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) is a rare disorder in which a person’s own immune system damages the nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. GBS can cause symptoms that last for a few weeks or several months. Most people recover fully from GBS, but some people have permanent nerve damage. In rare cases, people have died of GBS, usually from difficulty with breathing. In the United States, for example, an estimated 3,000 to 6,000 people develop GBS each year on average, whether or not they received a vaccination. This is about 1 to 2 cases of GBS per 100,000 people.

    Who is at risk for developing GBS?
    Anyone can develop GBS, but it is more common among adults than children. The incidence of GBS increases with age, and people over age 50 are at greatest risk for developing GBS. Each year, on average, about 3,000 to 6,000 people in the United States develop GBS whether or not they received a vaccination – that’s 1 to 2 people out of every 100,000 people.

    Do vaccines cause GBS?
    It is not fully understood why some people develop GBS, but it is believed that the nerve cells are damaged by a person’s own immune system. Many types of infections, and in very rare cases vaccines, may activate the immune system to cause damage to the nerve cells.

    How common is GBS, and how common is it after people are vaccinated for seasonal influenza?
    GBS is rare. Each year, about 3,000 to 6,000 people in the United States develop GBS whether or not they received a vaccination – that’s 1 to 2 people out of every 100,000 people. This is referred to as the background rate.

    In 1976, there was a small risk of GBS following influenza (swine flu) vaccination (approximately 1 additional case per 100,000 people who received the swine flu vaccine). That number of GBS cases was slightly higher than the background rate for GBS. Since then, numerous studies have been done to evaluate if other flu vaccines were associated with GBS. In most studies, no association was found, but two studies suggested that approximately 1 additional person out of 1 million vaccinated people may be at risk for GBS associated with the seasonal influenza vaccine. It is important to keep in mind that severe illness and possible death can be associated with influenza, and vaccination is the best way to prevent influenza infection and its complications.

    What happened in 1976 with GBS and the swine flu vaccine?
    Scientists first reported a suspected link between GBS and vaccinations in 1976, during a national campaign to vaccinate people against a swine flu virus. The investigation found that vaccine recipients had a higher risk for GBS than those who were not vaccinated (about 1 additional case occurred per 100,000 people vaccinated). Given this association, and the fact that the swine flu disease was limited, the vaccination program was stopped.
    Since then, numerous studies have been done to evaluate if other flu vaccines were associated with GBS. In most studies, no association was found, but two studies suggested that approximately 1 additional person out of 1 million vaccinated people may be at risk for GBS associated with the seasonal influenza vaccine.

    Why did some people develop GBS after they received the 1976 swine flu vaccine?
    The Institute of Medicine (IOM) conducted a thorough scientific review in 2003 and concluded that people who received the 1976 swine influenza vaccine had a slight increased risk for developing GBS. Scientists have multiple theories on why this increased risk may have occurred, but the exact reason for this association remains unknown.

    Do you expect that the 2009 H1N1 vaccine will be associated with GBS?
    We expect the 2009 H1N1 vaccine to have a similar safety profile as seasonal flu vaccines, which have very good safety track records. The seasonal influenza vaccine has not been consistently associated with GBS. Although we do not expect GBS cases to occur after vaccination with the 2009 H1N1 vaccine, we will be closely monitoring for any cases out of an abundance of caution.
    The odds of someone developing GBS in the US are 1.5 per 100,000 (even without getting a vaccination). Flu vaccinations may increase those odds by 1 in 1,000,000. About 30,000 die from the flu each year in the US, so your odds of dying from the flu anyway are 10 per 100,000. To put that in perspective your odds of dying in a automobile accident are ~13 per 100,000. About 40,000 people die in auto accidents each year. To be blunt you are 7 times more likely to die from the seasonal flu and 9 times more likely to die in a auto accident then you are to develop GBS.

    I'd also point out that GBS is not very fatal. Most people that get it recover fully, a few may have some permanent nerve damage. Rarely does anyone die from it. From the e-mail,
    Most patients, however, recover from even the most severe cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome, although some continue to have a certain degree of weakness.
    Of course I've never gotten a flu vaccination in my life. :spin2:
    Last edited by nomaxim; 10-01-2009 at 07:34 PM.
    Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science. -C. Darwin

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    Re: H1N1 Vaccine, avoid at all costs

    That you choose to avoid vacinnation is your right.

    I challenge your research.

    Yes, there is the normal fear factor which is easy to conduct via the internet.

    Here is the current World health Org's research or go to the world leaders in viral epidemioloy the USA's CDC's site for daily updates. GOARN will give you stats on current outbreaks,
    http://www.epietalum.net/content/goa...ions-caribbean


    http://www.euronews.net/2009/09/02/w...vaccine-fears/

    http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccinati...ion_qa_pub.htm

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    Re: H1N1 Vaccine, avoid at all costs

    I totally agree, thank you for exposing this on this forum.

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